Hello, I've been studying rather ineffectively on my own since January until May, which was when I got 7Sage. Although I must say my understanding and ability to answer questions correctly greatly increased many fold, I am struggling with the level 5 hardest questions, such as RC and LR (THIS one especially). Like many people, I would want to get a 170+ (And I truly believe 7Sage is able to help many people including myself in doing this), I do know that it is best to be able to tackle every question possible to maximize those chances. Is there a specific strategy in tackling these? Or is it the same standard core curriculum strategies, but to a mastery level form? (And extremely careful reading...) I'm doing pretty well on everything else, but once I go up against these level 5 questions, I get destroyed, with the occasional correct one or two.

On another note, I intend on taking the September LSAT. I'm just wondering if 40 hour week study sessions throughout the summer will help me get to the 170+ area.

Hello,

As many of you have probably noticed, PT 39 - PT 51 is very difficult to obtain in 2016 unless you have money to blow. So the only thing I can utilize is the posted questions provided by 7sage. This limits my ability to use it as a practice test and thus, I tend to use it for drilling. Anyone have any advice on this?

I was wondering whether LSAC will be cruel enough to give 3 LR sections in a row ( 2 + experimental). I really hope that is NOT the case!

Hi guys. So over the years, starting from first year I looked at questions from the 2007 preptest just because it was free. Now it is spoiled as my diagnostic...so do I need to take it? I also studied for 3 weeks before taking this course so I have an understanding of what each section entails.

Hi guys,

I was wondering if its recommended to do some light studying during the wait period or to just have 3 weeks off while waiting for the scores to arrive. I have studied the LSATs for almost 2 years but am still concerned if my skills would deteriorate if I didn't do some studying within the three weak period.

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Thanks!

Hey guys,

I am taking the September LSAT and after reading a good number of people saying how the June LSAT was easy to moderate I am getting nervous. While my "theory" has not evidence to back it up whatsoever I am afraid the September LSAT will be much harder. Could there be any truth to it?

So, I have been reading a lot of posts on here and it seems like those who score in the 170s (my dream score), studied for about a year to a year and a half.

What I want to know is that is this time spent from start to finish, non-stop? Or on and off?

I've been at it for about 11 months on and off, and approximately 3 months consistently (at least an hour everyday with days of break every now and then).

Any help and/or info is much appreciated. Thanks all!

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If it is true that most schools other than Yale do not penalize for multiple takes...

Unless something happened during the test that was extremely detrimental to your scoring potential, I would not cancel...

Post-test anxiety is a given but you never want to waste a take.

7Sage and the BR process has given us pre-testers a way to try to evaluate our decision choices under "optimum" test conditions. If you sat for the test and cancel your score, you have nothing to gain from the experience other than sitting for 5+ hours in a testing room and have to trust your memory on AC's once the test is released to everyone.

Why would you want to give up the chance to have your answer sheet and the scored test for you to evaluate your decisions and choices during "real" conditions? The opportunity to be able to seriously BR the heck out of the test could mean serious gains on the next take if needed.

Always a personal decision, but I hope this helps:)

Hey Guys,

I know it's not a fun topic, but I am really struggling with the question of whether to cancel my score and would appreciate some advice. My situation is a bit unusual so I've found most of the advice out there to be not that helpful. (tl;dr - too busy at work, wasn't ready for June but took it anyway, will do better in sept., should I cancel?)

In January, I registered for the June exam. I am a legal assistant at a v5 firm and shortly after registering was assigned to a new case that was going to trial. I worked 85+ hour weeks from mid-March thru 2.5 weeks before the June exam, and thus did no prep at all during that time.

The biggest problem at this point was that I hadn't yet "learned" logic games. I knew I couldn't do that in two weeks, but continued to work as hard as I could, prepping 7 hours per weekday and 10 on weekends, plus 6 hours of tutoring. The tutoring was great, and gave me the tools I need to work most effectively over this summer for September. I went into the exam knowing well that I was not ready and would not perform to my highest potential. I took the test because I paid for it and felt the test day experience could only be beneficial. I was PTing around 160 and getting at least half wrong on LG. The test went fine, but I think I scored somewhere in 159-161. I am going to take September and am planning to work extremely hard until then, and I won't have the same issue with work hours. I am certain that I will do much better in September. I am aiming for at least a 165.

The question, then, is whether it is worth having a lower score on my record if I know for a fact that I will do better in September. It seems to me that the best choice is to cancel, and that all I would get out of not canceling would be having the ability to see my score - nice, but worth it if I can avoid having a 159 on my record? If I don't cancel, I would write an addendum explaining the circumstances leading up to the exam. What do you guys think?

Thanks so much!

Hi friends! I've been studying for the LSAT while working a full time job, which means I wake up three hours early every morning to do my lessons and then do a few hours of studying each day of the weekend. I'm approaching the part of my course where I'm just supposed to be doing practice tests, and I was wondering how other 7Sagers in similar situations spaced these out.

I obviously can't complete the whole practice test before work during the week, but I also don't think I can do two practice tests and blind review them on the weekends in between. I was wondering if for the weeks with two PTs, I could do one Saturday and one Sunday, and then spend the rest of the week BRing both of them?

Let me know your thoughts!

I finally decided to take another yet hopefully last LSAT next year. Would you please introduce anyone who achieved the significant jump? I really need to learn from those and it will put me on the right track later.

Howdy Folks,

I'm thankfully coming to the end of this course after a long fought struggle with LG. I wanted to ask some of you veterans our there: I've been covering the LG portion of this course with a lot of patience and I haven't touched a lot on my other skills. I wanted to ask what were some of the ways many of you put the course all together for yourselves. Did you begin prep tests and pick a few days a week to go back through the old material? Did you dive right into the prep tests and only review the old material as you needed to while doing your BR? Did you take a few weeks to review old material before diving in? Thanks for any feedback folks, I appreciate it.

Hey team,

Wanted some input on the optimum time to conduct a BR session. Do you find it more beneficial to BR an hour or two after you PT, or is it more effective if you wait to BR the following day? Since I'm a re-taker I'm cutting ZERO corners this time around, at the same time, I know for BR to work you need to be very meticulous and disciplined during review. I know this process, however rewarding it may be, is still taxing. What approaches did you take to properly PT/BR in conjunction with drilling your weaknesses whilst avoiding burn out?

Thanks

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Hi! I may not be a typical LSAT student at least in terms of age. I graduated from college in 2002 (Mechanical Engineering) and received a Master’s degree in Biomedical Engineering in 2005 and Ph.D. in Bioengineering in 2010. Then I spent two years as a postdoctoral researcher in neuroscience and then I worked as an assistant professor at a state University for two years. Before it gets too late, I wanted to try something else other than academia, so I left academia and got a government job two years ago. So I am an engineer and scientist by training, and I have published more than 30 peer-reviewed scientific journal papers.

My experience in the government over the past 2 years has motivated me to go to law school. It’s been a while that I took a test since my graduate school and I was quite nervous and I think I significantly underperformed on the June LSAT last Monday than my usual PTs. Do you think if my background (PhD in engineering, research paper publications, grant funding and student teaching/mentoring history, work experiences as a university professor and in government) could be considered as a strong soft in law school applications? Also, if any of you have a similar background or have seen similar cases, I will appreciate if you could please share your stories how your work experiences or soft helped your law school admissions. Because of my current job, I'd like to go to part-time programs in the DC areas. Thanks!

Did anyone hear anything funny or unusual at the LSAT sitting? One person at mine was taking it cold and claimed her gpa was strong so the LSAT shouldn't matter much. Another person had studied for over a year and claimed she never scored over a 140 but her goal was a 145 so she could get into an unaccredited program. Another person said their logic games strategy was to spend all of their time on sequencing games (the person said games where you place things in order in a row) if they got one because they are the only ones that are even possible to do quickly. She said she would just guess on the rest of the logic games because trying didn't really change the result. Any others out there?

Like many of you, I watch Game of Thrones. While watching the latest episode, I realized the characters make many arguments. So, I thought it would be fun to use some of their dialogue as mini LSAT lessons.

If you don't watch Game of Thrones or aren't caught up, turn away for many spoilers lie ahead.

Scene 1 - Jon Snow wields a cool conditional chain

Jon Snow: "I need you with me if we're going to beat them, and we need to beat them if you're going to survive."

survive → beat them → you with me

Jon uses "need" to indicate necessity along with "if" to indicate sufficiency. Though he states only his major premise without giving the full argument, he correctly assumes that everyone wants to "survive" which would triggers the conditional chain allowing everyone to draw the conclusion that the Free Folk ought to stick with Jon Snow.

Scene 2 - Tormund's like "Hey Snow, let me see that cool conditional chain."

Quickly following Jon's argument, Tormund wants to play with the conditional chain also. Earlier in the dialogue he mentions that Jon died for the Free Folk so "do the same" is referencing that.

Tormund: "If we are not willing to do the same for him, we're cowards. And if that's what we are, we deserve to be the last of the Free Folk."

not willing to die for Jon → cowards → deserve to be last of the Free Folk

Like Jon, Tormund also states only his major premise. He also correctly assumes that none of the Free Folk wants to be the last of the Free Folk nor do they want to be labeled cowards. Hence, by failing either of the necessary conditions, we can contrapose and arrive at the conclusion that the Free Folk "are willing to die for Jon". In context, this means join Jon in war to take back Winterfell from the Boltons.

Scene 3 - Cersei is not half as bright

I find this scene really funny. Olenna says to Cersei, "If you're half as bright as you think you are, you'll find a way out of here, too." Without missing a beat, Cersei replies "Never." Like, she just accepts Olenna's insulting premise and plays along. I almost feel bad for her.

Let's look at this in lawgic.

Olenna: Cersei is 50% as smart as Cersei thinks she is → leave

Cersei: not leaving

Conclusion: Cersei's not very bright

Scene 4 - Blackfish understands the inclusive or

In this scene, one of the Frey idiots threatens Blackfish and says "Yield the castle or I cut his throat."

Blackfish, who clearly understands the inclusive or, thinks to himself:

not yield castle → nephew's throat cut

But I remember from this 7Sage lesson that if I yield the castle, that Frey idiot might cut my nephew's throat anyway. I'm gonna call him out on his shit bluff.

Scene 5 - Jamie with a strong contrapose

This was probably my favorite scene from the episode.

Right before this scene, Jamie simultaneously insults and warns the Frey idiot that "only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out."

makes threats he's not prepared to carry out → fool

Since Frey threatened Blackfish earlier but didn't carry it out, Jamie effectively called him a fool. There's the insult. But Jamie is also warning Frey because we can assume that Jamie does not think himself a fool and hence conclude that Jamie makes threats he is prepared to carry out. Jamie proceeds to make the following threat: "Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?"

not shut your dirty Frey mouth → Jamie hits you

And of course, like the idiot he is, the Frey keeps talking.

Scene 6 - Jamie is fond of unless

Jamie uses "unless" again in this scene, "Have him bathed and fed. Unless you'd like to take his place."

don't want to take his place → bathe and feed him

Jamie assumes that the idiot Frey does not want to take the prisoner's place and therefore will bathe and feed him. This time they take Jamie's threat seriously.

Scene 7 - Davos also knows how to contrapose a conditional chain too

Davos strings together a conditional argument just like Jon and Tormund did at the beginning of the episode.

Davos: "As long as the Boltons hold Winterfell, the North is divided. And a divided North won't stand a chance against the Night King."

Boltons hold Winterfell → North divided → no chance against Night King

Davos correctly assumes that Lady Lyanna Mormont wants to stand a chance against the Night King and so, contraposing back, will arrive at the conclusion that she should help them kick the Boltons out of Winterfell.

I don't believe I pressed the "reset" button while the timer was still going; regardless, my 180 Watch is off about five seconds, with the long hand setting just behind the "0."

Does anyone know how to fix this? Hopefully, there's a way to do so!

I've gone through the all the logic lessons twice and have been drilling sufficient/necessary assumption and parallel reasoning and when I read through many of the stimuli my brain just goes to mush trying to figure it out. I see J.Y. intuitively know how to map things out instantly and I want to get that way but it doesn't seem to be improving. What did those of you who have mastered logic do to get to the point of mastery? Did you use any outside resources for alternate drilling, etc? Thanks for any help.

Just curious what the thoughts are on re-visiting a school you are waitlisted on? It is my 1st choice and I first visited right after I initially applied and my application had been put on hold. I have since been put on the waitlist. I am scheduled to retake the LSAT for the last time tomorrow morning. I sent a LOCI at the end of April, & called them mid May to let them know that I would be retaking the exam in June. If I test tomorrow anywhere near my recent PTs I should be 3-4 points over their 75th percentile. My adjusted LSAC GPA is below the 25th percentile, but degree GPA is above the 25th percentile. Myt current LSAT from December is at their 25th percentile.

Oh yeah & their final seat deposit for admitted students is due today. I would either go today (about a 30 minute drive) or sometime next week after my shoulder surgery.