Planning on taking LSAT in June or Sept '17 and wanted to know if there are any moms in the group? Still trying to figure out how to balance it all! Or any study groups?

Hey y'all,

So, long story short, I'm pretty sure I "effed" up on the Dec LSAT (yes, I read J.Y's post, lol). Section one went somewhat well, section 2 went fine, I tanked section 3 (which was the experimental...woohoo!), section 4 went "okay," and, section 5 (LG)...well let's just say I guessed on 9/23 questions (damn you games 3 and 4).

Anyhow, my target school's average LSAT is around a 165. I'm not even sure if I scored that high. However, I've never done exceptionally well on any standardized test. I always seem to develop testing anxiety while taking them, but never during my university exams. Not sure why, that's how it has always been with me. If I recall correctly, I scored below the average on my SAT, but, funny enough, graduated with highest honors (4.0 LSDAS GPA) from undergrad.

I know some schools will overlook a relatively low LSAT if the applicant possesses a high GPA. My top picks right now are UCLA, USC, UC Davis, and UCI. Fortunately for me, my career path doesn't require me to attend a T14 (although, I wouldn't turn one down).

Do you guys think it's worth keeping my LSAT score and applying this cycle? Part of me thinks I won't be accepted to any of my target schools. If it matters, I have a few ECs on my resume (Public Defender internship, volunteer work with disabled children, VP of a community service club, multiple teaching assistant positions, moot court, and possibly a soon-to-be City Attorney intern). I also have plenty of LORs - one from an individual who doubled as my moot court instructor and supervisor at the PD's office.

If I had to guess, I would say that I guessed on a total of 25 questions on the December LSAT. I have no idea what happened...

I am just curious, how will law schools view this? I know it is unscored but is it taken into consideration at all?

Hello Fellow 7Sagers,

Bear with me as I write the following. I absolutely need advice from people who have either been in my position or are knowledgable about such a situation. I took the September 2016 test, and because of the Grey passage and virus game, I cancelled my score. Ever since then, I have practiced and improved my RC. The logic games section has always been my strongest. I sat for the December 2016 LSAT. I walked into the testing center with an average score on my pretests of 167.5. I was feeling very good. The sequence of my sections were as follows: 1st LR, RC, Experimental LR, LG, 2nd LR. I was doing very well until I got to the LG section. I finished the 1st two games in 15 minutes. For some reason, when I got to the 3rd game I choked. The game might have been difficult but not really. I absolutely know and should have known how to do it. To make my story short, I ended up guessing on the last two games. Absolutely heartbreaking for me because my average on LG is (minus 0 - minus1).

Right now I am battling with a very very uncomfortable feeling because I truly have a dilemma. If I cancel, then that is 2 cancellations, which will not reflect well on my application. If I do not cancel, I might end up with a bad score, or even if not too bad of a score, it still won't reflect my actual potential on this test. My question is, what should I do? Please offer only solid advice. This means the world to me. Thank you.

What are your guys' thoughts on drilling PTs 1-10 for anything other than LG? I just drilled one of the LR sections out of PT 5 and it seemed to me to have a pretty different feel than even a PT in the later teens. Curious as to the general consensus.

I picked PT 5 randomly because I was trying to leave the PTs after 34 whole and the CC appeared to draw more heavily from the early 30s/20s.

Hello everyone, I hope the last LSAT administration went well for everyone. I was actually scheduled to write for the December administration but decided to postpone for the 3rd time to Feb 2017 because I was not confident I would reach my goal of 165+ by December. I took a PT two months ago(my 7th) and scored a 160 and decided that I did not want to see another score in the 150's so for the two months after that I drilled like a mad man and even Fool Proofed all games from PT's 1-50(doing 1-35 twice with a 3 week spread in between). I took another PT two months later yesterday and finished BRing and graded it to see that I had gotten a 164(BR score 177). I told myself that if I scored at least a 163 on this PT, that my new goal for the Feb 2017 LSAT would be a 170 because well....why not? lol. Long story short, I guess my question is, with only about 8 weeks and 12 PT's left, I know it'll be a real challenge but is it possible to jump those 6 points and get that 170 by test day? Just wanted some feedback(and I guess some, "you can do its") lol.

Are all t14 schools except Yale rolling based???

So some people are speculating that Deccember's LSAT will be between a -10 and -12 curve. My question is, how does LSAC determine their curve? Is it arbitrary or is it based on our collective performance?

Follow-up question: Are the scaled scores pegged to a percentile score? For example, is a 160 always equivalent to an 80 percentile? Or does it vary?

Hey guys, this isn't really relating to the LSAT but I'm trying to figure out where we input the community college we attended on the Credential Assembly Service. Under "Bachelor's Degree-Granting Institution," I inputted the University that I attended but I don't see where we have to input our community college attended. What did you guys put it under? Thanks!

Just thought I would check in and see how everyone felt about their exam. I took in Sept and felt much more calm that time. Today I was sooooooo nervous physically that I felt like most of the test was me battling through a weird mental haze.

Overall though I feel okay. I had a misread on BOTH of my LG sections that cost me some time but I think I was able to recover somewhat. Luckily the one I was most worried about was experimental but even then I may have done better on that one (who knows).

My frustration with RC was that I felt some of the summary questions were weirdly mostly on topic but there didn't seem to be one that was definitely on topic. Those always frustrate me.

It is great to have it in the rearview mirror!

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I took the test at a large, public university. I estimate a couple hundred people were tested in two large auditoriums with ample table space for each test taker.

I was one of the lucky twenty-five sent to a classroom with the little L-shaped desks that fold up in order for you to stand or sit. The folding ones are smaller than those used in high school, and they also force you to lean up and hunch over whenever writing. The entire writing space was approximately one test booklet tall, and 16 inches across. An open, unfolded test booklet would not fit onto the desk. Having assisted in administration of secondary school national tests, I am fairly certain that the room also failed to meet the minimum distance between test takers requirement.

As several other test-takers pointed out, it was literally impossible for us to adhere to the instructions that nothing should be below desk level while taking the test.

When several people complained, the test director came in and said, "I know you don't have a lot of room and that it's tight. I get complaints about this room every time, but it's the only room I could get in the building. If you want to cancel, I'll let you." This is basically, 'Screw you. What are you going to do about it?', and the fact that he alluded to previous administrations complaining about it only made me more livid.

I had to constantly flip the folded test booklet back and forth, as did everyone else in the room. It did not matter on LR and RC, but it noticeably slowed progress on LG. I would have gladly driven an hour to get an adequate testing center, but I know I was not one of the last twenty-five registrants. What is the best way to inform LSAC that this university of 30,000 needs to be given less testing slots, and the local director either replaced or retrained in the importance of this test to those taking it?

Everyone who tested in this room before December '16 dropped the ball and let me down, and I don't want to do the same for future test takers.

hello all ,

i just got off the December exam and I'm looking to create and effective schedule for the february test administration .

i originally went through self study with power score but I'm going to try and run through JY's full curriculum.

should i be taking the time to go through all of the material like a new tester? or should i just target my problem areas for a few weeks and then do some PT's again ?

thanks

Hello everyone... quick question...

I am starting to (finally) be at the point where I can get most questions on LG correct. With inn out and grouping games I am starting to get within the target range with the right accuracy....

However, for some reason, there are certain sequencing games where I just take like 3-4+ minutes too long to do them. What's helped me with speed with other games is really pre-phrasing the answer choices and knowing where to look on some games when the question is a "could" vs a "must." However, I'm still slow with certain of these games. There is just too much of me writing things out (like multiple hypothetical game boards with multiple options on each) and not enough ways to anticipate the answer choices (or maybe I'm thinking about it wrong?)

Wondering how you guys got quicker on the sequencing games ?

Thanks, love the forums here. I should post more but you guys are awesome and give such great advice and I can't match it.

Dear 7sage,

I just wanted to take the time to thank all of the members of 7sage that made it all possible- the people behind the scenes that scrutinize every detail to display a polished product. JY, thank you--along with all of the other founders. You guys took a risk once upon a time, and it yielded incredible results. You provided me with an amazing resource.

It's been a great year.

On my way to law school,

Juan P.

If not, would anyone like to start one here? :)

Especially considering the recent pattern with the logic games section, it would be nice to practice unique games to keep us on our toes

Hello!

I was wondering if anyone has an experience that can shed some light on how I should move forward regarding how LSAC deals with issues that occur during testing.

Everything was running smoothly until about 8 minutes remaining in the first section. Someone who was signed up for the LSAT showed up around 9:15 am (late), claiming they were in a car accident and were told they could not write the test.

He responded poorly and consequently went on his phone right outside the testing room door screaming and directing insults and taunts at our proctor, obviously trying to intentionally sabotage/distract those writing. This went on for about 3 minutes and the proctors repeatedly told him to leave the testing area, keep his voice down, etc. Eventually he even opened the door and starting directly screaming into the room. At this point almost every test writer yelled at him to leave as well. Timer was still running at this point.

Things then escalated even further at the 5 minute warning, where he ran into the testing room and began screaming and videotaping everyone with his phone. He moved between everybody screaming loudly that he should be allowed to write and that he was being mistreated. He even grabbed a few peoples watches while they were writing and many times directly challenged various test takers, getting in their faces. This continued for about a minute, at which point the proctor paused the timer (at 3 mins 58 seconds).

Eventually security came, but he ran away only to come back into the room a few minutes later. At least at this point the timer had been paused. It then took another 10 mins or so to ensure the disruption was totally over and then another 15 mins for our proctor to call LSAC to see how to move forward. Ultimately they told him to resume where we left off (31 min mark) despite his pleas to rewind the clock to the 27 min point (or 8 mins remaining).

Aside from the obvious distraction and large loss of time, this large break also made the remaining questions difficult, especially those who had RC first. I essentially had to re-read and answer the questions for the final RC passage in 4 mins, given the distraction occurred when I was only halfway through the passage.

Would there be any benefit for me to call and complain? I am assuming they do not alter score as a result of external circumstances? I do not wish to cancel/get a refund, but would they potentially grant me free admission to the February test?

Tl;dr: Somone who was late for the LSAT ran into the classroom we were writing, screaming and videotaping people and cost us 4 mins of test writing. What should I do?

I was wondering how everybody takes these. I find the lack of space not to be problematic per-say, but I want to stay used to the 2 page format. I know 7sage used to have the old PT PDFs split up, so they all had the 2 page format. Anyone know how I could split my PDFs so they would be formatted like that?

Proctors: Middle of the road. Good but not great. Firm but not too strict.

Facilities: Plenty of room. Lighting could have been a little brighter. Temperature was fine. Chairs were reasonably comfy.

What kind of room: Large gathering room located in their Alumni Center which is just off campus.

How many in the room: We had about 25 but it could have easily accomodated several more.

Desks: Long skinny rectangles. Sadly, the surface was textured. Come on La Sierra.

Left-handed accommodation: Not needed with their setup.

Noise levels: Very quiet.

Parking: Plentiful and close. No sticker or permit needed.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: About half an hour.

Irregularities or mishaps: For some reason the proctor took about 3 seconds between sections 4 and 5 after she had moved at a much more normal pace on all the other change-overs. Watch reset had to happen super fast on that one.

Other comments: Bathroom facilities were decent and accomodated an appropriate number of people for the number who were taking the exam (which was NOT the case at my previous LSAT location).

Would you take the test here again? Yes

Date[s] of Exam[s]: December 5, 2016

Proctors:

Good, quick, efficient.

Facilities:

Pretty much brand new building, brand new desks, chairs etc. In Tribeca, which means it's pretty much silent on a Saturday morning in the area

What kind of room:

Open plan lecture hall

How many in the room:

Around 40

Desks:

Full large rectangular tables, one to each student. Couldn't have run out of space for my test materials if I had tried.

Left-handed accommodation:

Huge desks to each person

Noise levels:

Low

Parking:

New York...

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

One hour

Irregularities or mishaps:

None

Other comments:

I originally landed with Pace as my test center, but switched here because it was four blocks from my apartment. I would highly recommend this test center for anyone taking their test in New York. Made the whole test so much better to have a full table, ample space in the room, and low noise levels.

Would you take the test here again?

Ha - would I take the test again...? But yes, if forced to retake the LSAT this is the only center I would take it at now.

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

December 2016

Proctors: There were three proctors. Two females and one male. The male proctor actually had his phone on and it started buzzing and ringing in the middle of the test....(and it took him a while to get to it) I thought this was very unprofessional and extremely disruptive.

The two female proctors were very friendly, forthcoming and efficient.

Facilities: Roomy. It was an auditorium lecture-style hall.

What kind of room: Lecture hall.

How many in the room: Fits probably over 100, but we were about 50 or so.

Desks: small, rectangular tables. Extremely uncomfortable.

Left-handed accommodation: Not sure.

Noise levels: Mostly quiet.

Parking: Good for students, terrible for non-students. Decal-parking close by only. I had to have my boyfriend drive me there and pick me up.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Half hour.

Irregularities or mishaps: The room was VERY hot. Everyone was complaining that it felt like a freaking sauna in there after our break. It was seriously awful. People started to take their clothes off and it was distracting.

Other comments: I took the LSAT in that same room in '15 and did not find that the room got that hot last year. I have no clue what happened on Saturday, but it felt like they were trying to fry us (or our brains).

Would you take the test here again? Not if I don't absolutely have to.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: December 2015, December 2016.

Okay so September scores came out today and congratulations to everyone who did well. I unfortunately am not one of those people. My diagnostic was a 150 and after 21 PT's and 4 months of studying my average of my last 5 tests was a 160. With my last 5 tests being 160, 161, 160, 156, 162. I scored a measly 153 on the S16 LSAT.... just three points above my diagnostic and 7 points below my average. To get into all

If the schools I want to go to (regional, reach and safeties) I NEED a 160. I got 3.5 hours of sleep the night before and test day nerves completely got to me. I knew I did horrible but got tripped up on stuff I usually do well on. Shockingly, I got every single virus game question right and only went -2 on Eileen Gray. I usually always, ALWAYS go -5 on LR. I got -10 on both sections. Even with my abysmal -14 on RC (usually go -8), I would still would have gotten a 159 if I scored how I normally do on LR. Here is my question.

I am already registered for December. Is it possible to see my 160 average be my actual score for the Dec LSAT?

At this point, I am honestly considering taking a gap year, taking the June 2017 LSAT, and applying September 1st of the next admissions cycle. Perhaps by that point I could see a 165? Maybe?

Or perhaps despite whatever average I may achieve, test day anxiety always gets to me and I will still score far below what I wanted. Any thoughts?

My softs are super strong. 5 years in the military, currently working st law firm. GPA is a solid 3.53.

So is it possible to see my 160 in December? Or do I wait for june and push my entire lives plans back another year?

Thank you beloved people!

Folks, I am finally done with the LSAT!!! But that means I need to shift gears and start to focus on the second part of my JD/MBA application - the GMAT. What courses do people recommend? Are there any good free resources out there?

I haven't done a ton of research yet since I was really focused on the LSAT and I've only heard of Manhattan GMAT. ANybody has any thoughts on this company? Are there better courses/resources out there?

Thank you for any insight!

Hey guys! I know a lot of you recently took the LSAT, so if you'd like to leave a review of your test center, here's a basic template you can copy.

Please make sure you're making a new thread and not posting below, since people may miss it. :)

-Make a new discussion post in the "Test Center Reviews" category and title it like this:

**[Test Center Review] Test Center, City, State/Country**

-- Include the following categories (feel free to copy/paste):

Proctors:

Facilities:

What kind of room:

How many in the room:

Desks:

Left-handed accommodation:

Noise levels:

Parking:

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

Irregularities or mishaps:

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again?

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

Examples of some well-written test center reviews:

--https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/8859/test-center-review-cedarville-university

--https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/6873/test-center-review-northeastern-university-boston-ma

--https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/6887/test-center-review-furman-university-greenville-sc

This is my second sitting for the LSAT.... i have been killing myself for 5-6 months now averaging -3 on LG -5 to -4 on LR and well RC -9 -13 ... I wasn't prepared my first time around completely underestimated the test...but i couldn't sleep the night before.. and scored very bad.... second time coming now and again i couldn't sleep last night tossing turning from 10 to 3 am then maybe got 2 hours of shut eye ... and went to the test like i was so disoriented and sleep deprived that i could hardly figure the word adjacent on the second LG .... I'm in a nightmare ... this is not what was supposed to happen ...