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Hi! I'm taking the LSAT for the first time in two weeks and was wondering if anyone would like to share their horror experiences with test centers/proctors? I want to be able to prepare myself for the worst!
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I'm struggling with this section to the point where my scores have gotten worse and I'm just unsure how to even approach it. Does anyone have any recommendations for drilling passages or sections or any advice? please be as specific as possible!! it will be very appreciated
Hi All,
Just to provide some background information, I have been studying for about 5 months now, both on my own (using Powerscore trilogy and 7sage) and have recently completed a 3 months in-person LSAT course in the city I'm in. When I first started studying I got about 9 questions wrong for an LR section (untimed) and slowly improved to getting 5-7 questions wrong under timed conditions. I thought I was finally on the right track and was looking forward to seeing more improvements until when I recently started getting more questions wrong than I initially started (12-14 questions wrong both under timed and untimed conditions)... I realized that usually when I go back to the questions I got wrong, the correct AC was one of the last two AC's that I was contemplating between before I chose the wrong one if that's any good sign.
I am watching the videos on 7sage again as well as reviewing questions I got wrong but feel quite defeated at this point. I have postponed my September exam to December (thank God!) and am really hoping to get a great score (170+) in Dec. I've been really careful not to burn too many questions but at this point I'm thinking maybe I should go back to early exams (PT 7 to 18) and take as much questions as possible to solidify my understanding of all the core principles. My question is, should I go through the LR sections as an entire section or drill them by question types? Also, is there anything else you guys recommend me do for the month of September? Really appreciate your help in advance!
I am taking the December LSAT. I have no idea what I'll get, as my PT's range from 152 to 165. Should I wait until after I get my score to start filling out all of the applications on LSAC? I just don't know what schools I will get into. It ALL depends on my lsat score...I have 4.0 GPA and am confident I have an interesting enough life for a decent p-statement.
Hi guys, I was wondering if you could input a section into lsat analytics instead of the whole preptest. I wanted to take an LR section and see my breakdown.
Hey everyone,
So I am beginning my 5th year at the University of Guelph, in the Honours Program for Sociology. I would say as of the beginning of 3rd year, I decided that I really did want to go to Law School, and from there my grades increased substantially as I got really serious and I also figured out what studying techniques, etc., worked best for me. With this, I have been reading through the different discussion forums and had noticed that people had been mentioning whether they were on the lower end for their GPA, while other were mentioning they had a decent GPA. So my question for everyone, especially those who may have already have experience with the Law School application/LSAT process, what would you/they consider to be a lower GPA and a decent GPA?
Also! I've also been noticing that people mentioned L2 & B2 (what does this mean?)
When I decided that I wanted to go to Law School I did not do a ton of researching for all of these details because I wanted my concentration to be solely on continuing a trend of increasing my grades. So this is why I have such questions!
Thanks so much! :) & Good luck to everyone!
I'm at the point that I just don't know what's wrong with me and why I can't break into the high 160's/170's. Somebody please tell me, because I'm lost. I planned on talking Sep exam and am now panicking.
First, I have always been under the assumption that I can just keep studying till I get the score I want. That's why I've been at this for so long. Here is my history. I have taken Testsmasters in-class course twice. I did the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim. And most recently done 7Sage. I have taken every LSAT except 76 and 77 (Scores below ordered in the date I took them). When I blind review exams I always get almost a perfect score if not a perfect 180, so I get the concepts. I never run out of time except maybe 3 questions on games and sometimes have to rush my last RC passage a bit and complete in say 5 minuets. The questions I get wrong are a random assortment of easy/hard/different types of questions. It's worth noting that my two biggest jumps were after a prolonged break (easier to see if the info below is graphed). And so I'm wondering if maybe I should just kick my feet up till Sep 24th in order to make another jump. My typical day consists of finishing my 8hrs at work and studying 3-4 hours after work. At this point... I feel like I'm just an idiot. I have studied the LSAT more than anyone I know or read about. I'm about ready to pull my hair out. Any advice?
# Date Taken Score
61 7/19/2013 140 (Day 1 of Testmasters Course 1)
63 8/17/2013 145
54 8/19/2013 147
55 8/22/2013 146
64 9/7/2013 148
56 9/18/2013 152
65 9/28/2013 152
62 9/30/2014 146 (Apx Day 1 of Testmasters Course 2)
68 10/4/2014 153
55 10/11/2014 153
56 10/12/2014 154
58 10/19/2014 155
64 11/8/2014 149
65 11/15/2014 155
67 11/22/2014 156
52 3/11/2015 162
53 6/8/2015 158
7 6/14/2015 164 (The LSAT Trainer Book Diagnostic)
54 6/14/2015 160
9 6/18/2015 161
10 6/22/2015 156
11 6/23/2015 160
12 6/30/2015 159
13 7/8/2015 160
15 7/9/2015 155
16 7/11/2015 160
14 7/12/2015 162
18 7/12/2015 161
19 7/13/2015 158
20 7/16/2015 158
21 7/28/2015 163
22 8/4/2015 161
23 8/5/2015 162
24 8/6/2015 162
25 8/11/2015 161
26 8/11/2015 163
28 8/18/2015 166
29 8/19/2015 160
30 8/20/2015 161
27 12/19/2015 166
31 12/20/2015 154
46 1/24/2016 157 (7Sage Studies began)
47 1/30/2016 161
48 2/7/2016 155
49 2/15/2016 162
50 2/25/2016 161
51 2/27/2016 164
45 3/16/2016 164
32 3/17/2016 166
33 3/21/2016 165
34 3/22/2016 163
35 3/27/2016 163
36 4/2/2016 166
37 4/3/2016 163
39 5/23/2016 164
40 5/26/2016 163
41 5/28/2016 162
42 6/4/2016 163
38 7/1/2016 165
43 7/6/2016 163
44 7/8/2016 161
57 7/12/2016 162
59 7/21/2016
69 7/24/2016 162
70 7/31/2016 165
71 8/7/2016 158
71.5 8/8/2016 162
72 8/23/2016 163
73 8/26/2016
74 8/28/2016 158
75 9/3/2016 160
76
77
Hey guys,
I just upgraded from the starter to premium. I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm almost certain now that i will be writing in December instead of September. Mainly because I haven't done any recent practice tests. I've only gotten to PT 39 (timed). The premium goes up to PT 58. My main question is when should i start doing recent preptests? I have the rest of September, October and November to study and I'm not sure how to proceed considering I only have explanations for up to PT58 on 7sage and have no experience with more recent tests! Thanks in advance!
I have been flagging questions that maybe didn't sink in as I go, so I can go back an review. After you complete the CC would you go ahead and take a PT? and then go back and refresh where you are weak?? or would you go back and refresh on skills you didn't pick up well? I am not sure if I am ready to burn tests just yet since I am going to be traveling and teaching ESL so I am wondering if I should just keep going over CC and then take the tests closer to when I take the LSAT... which right now to be honest is in the air... as I have gave myself a window of Dec through June... and accepted it is ok to start law school in Fall of 2018... I just know I am going to finally be complete with CC soon and I don't want to burn precious tests if I am better reviewing.. or should I burn a 40s test to see where I am and start over??? Sorry my ADHD brain thinks about this stuff and won't shut off until I have a plan ha! Thanks guys!
My goal score is 154-157, and I'd be really happy with anything in that range. My question is: what should I be PTing at so that I am safe to get a score in that range? These are my PT scores:
PT36 Dec 2001 2016-08-18 3 weeks ago 160
PT52 Sep 2007 2016-08-26 2 weeks ago 159
PT41 Oct 2003 2016-08-30 1 week ago 152
PT53 Dec 2007 2016-08-30 1 week ago 153
PT54 Jun 2008 2016-08-31 1 week ago 154
PT55 Oct 2008 2016-09-08 7 hours ago 154
The times aren't exactly when I did the tests, they're just when I entered them into the Scorer. I write on September 24th, by the way, and I know my scores are kind of inconsistent, but I'm gonna write 10 more exams before test day, and I'll keep you guys posted. But is my goal feasible in the timeframe I have?
No formal announcement, they just wanted to stick it to us. Glad someone caught it before. EVERYONE needs to adjust.. savage.
Here is the email since others were afraid of sharing.. Im at a loss of words.
Beginning with the September 2016 test, all administrations of the test include five sections and a writing sample. Please see a description of the test at
and
http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/jd-docs/statement-of-need.pdf.
Your accommodations for the June and September test are identical. The only thing that has changed is the format of the test. You were not previously granted a waiver of the non-scored section as an accommodation nor are you entitled to one now.
Admin edit: A user posted a screenshot of their email from LSAC as well.
@hope.brinn
Hi everyone. I am struggling with what to do. Here's my story:
I have been studying on and off for the LSAT since January. I originally intended to self study with the LSAT trainer and then do tons of practice tests. I found it very hard to motivate myself and ended up banging my head against the wall because I had no idea why I was getting answers wrong. This led to a ton of long breaks where I would do nothing and then feel guilty about not studying. I am a senior in college and not even 100% sure that I want to go to law school. I am planning on taking the test and applying to see what my options are. In June I decided to postpone based on the fact that I knew I would not score well and had not given it my all. I decided that I needed a class to help me.
I decided to take Manhattan's Live Online course. I started off strong, doing all the homework and actively participating in class. Then somewhere along the way I got discouraged and skipped three sessions. I know it sounds lazy but I promise I am not. I was just not motivated and frustrated that my score was not increasing (I was consistently scoring around a 153). I would say I went about another month with not doing any prep except maybe a few games here and there and then went to class last week. I just feel so frustrated by the test. I know I have the ability to do well, I have scored well on tons of other standardized tests and consider myself a very intelligent person. I'm just not sure what to do. I don't think I should take it in September because I will not be happy with a score in the 150's. I started off this process thinking that I could seriously study until I got a 170+ but I have no motivation to do so. Has anyone been in a similar position? Should I take another class (in-person)? In the past people have recommended that I take breaks but breaks for me end up being weeks or months long.
I also realize that I am very young and am not sure why I feel the need to go directly to law school, it's not going anywhere. I have also thought about the fact that I am a person who likes to have a plan and since I am a senior and unsure about what I'm going to do after college - I like the idea of law school because it is a laid out process that I can follow and count on.
ANYWAYS sorry for the rant but I need some help. Let me know what you think!
I cannot seem to understand this for the various ways unless can appear in a sentence. I have been told to replace the unless with if not but also that the statement thats connected to the unless is the necessary condition. How can it be made an if not (making it sufficient) and also be necessary? Here are a couple of various ways I have seen unless in sentences: Unless I get a good grade, I will not go out; No student can go out unless they get a 4.0. To my understanding, you diagram these as follows:
If go out>>> got good grade
If student got 4.0, then they can go out
I gather these from sort of thinking about the relationship but I want a simple short cut to use. Any ideas?
So here is the deal, i am international student and do not qualify for fee waivers through LSAC. I need to beg each school individually to help me with some sort of the fee waiver :) Today I have received an email from Washington Uni that I can request a fee waiver, when I click that link it offers me to send them an email. Here is the deal, what do I write in that email? "I am such and such would like to request fee waiver"?
Thanks guys, you are always so helpful
Ok, so I am new to 7sage and so far it has been amazing. I'm learning so much, its awesome. However, I am troubled cuz I dont know if I am selling myself short using the LSAT Starter package because I'm only getting the easiest questions. So I would hate to think that I am doing all this work and learning so much, but there is really a cap on what I am learning because of the package. So if anyone has upgraded or knows the quantifiable difference between the LSAT starter and other programs, could you explain the difference? Like are the tougher questions built into the lessons or is it like harder options later in this course, or how does that work exactly? Any insight would be awesome!
Which sections in the core curriculum would you say are major key?
Hey, I posted a discussion maybe like 10 months ago on all the materials I'll need to prepare for the LSAT. I was told to get the ultimate + package, The LSAT Trainer, which I already have, and PTs. Is this still correct, or do I need any other additional materials?
Also, which PTs do I need and can I still purchase the PDFs? I know for logic games, I'm going to need multiple copies and I would much rather have PDFs because it much easier.
I'm literally going to purchase the course on Sunday and get started, so I'm just making sure I have all the materials I need.
Thanks.
I want to buy books to prep myself for the LSAT, however there are so many choices to choose from! It makes it almost impossible to make up my mind. Please help!
Hi guys,
Does anyone know if a services card would count as an acceptable form of ID for test day? I just called LSAC to ask, but the person that answered didn't seem too sure and told me to send a photo of the ID to be sure. Hopefully someone here has used one as an ID before and knows?
What do you think are cons and pros applying early decision? Also, can I apply early decision to a couple of schools? Like apply to those which are very unlikely to get me accepted and one that is somewhere in a middle?
Y'all,
I'm being super-efficient at procrastinating right now, and am wondering if anyone had any thoughts regarding how successful introverted/quiet personality types would be at law school. I am an abysmal public speaker (working on it, but still really bad!), and have a mild stutter that always makes its unwelcome presence known whenever I'm stressed, angry or tired. Would I succeed at law school, or would every day be an uphill battle?
Thanks in advance, fam!
im trying to understand why it is such that after a while of scoring in the same range on a section or the entire test, all of a sudden it just all "clicks" and makes sense. like for the longest time ive consistently been struggling with the Logical Reasoning section and no matter how hard i tried i was routinely scored single digits, double digits if im lucky. Now when i do a LR section i can not only score 17-18 consistently, but when im reading questions and looking for answer choices i can notice an answer choice and (mentally) go "yup, thats the right answer" without hesitation or self doubt. This little phenomena i find to be perplexing because it wasnt like i was studying even more, or revising. i just stopped studying all together for a month and a half (i know i shouldnt have, with the lsat coming up), and now got back to it. im sure some of y'all have experienced something similar so what do y'all think it happens like that?
To relieve some Pre-September test tension and anxiety, I thought it might be fun to predict what we think some of the topics may be for Reading Comprehension. It'd be fun to go back after and see if anyone actually got it right.
I'm going to go ahead and suggest "human population/migration patterns" as a potential topic.
Hello!
Like some of you, I am feeling the effects of burnout and am still planning to test in September after consistently hitting my target. However, I was wondering what all of your takes were on reading for pleasure in the meantime. For example, I was thinking about beginning the 4th Harry Potter book, but wasn't sure if this was a good idea. Any input would be greatly appreciated!