Hey guys, I was wondering when I take the LSAT in June, what form does the LSAT come in? Is it like a booklet? I want to know because as of now i'm taking the PT's with loose pages. Also, on my lsac.org account theres a place to print out a bubble sheet, do they not supply one?

Hey guys! I'm kind of new to the 7sage community and I am hoping to be more social when I buy my ultimate course in a few weeks. I was just wondering how you guys recap what you've learned without repeating the same skill set questions. Are there any other exercises or books that you recommend to supplement this course?

Starting April 21st we will remove all PDFs containing LSAC licensed content to compile with LSAC's new policy.

To be clear, all PDFs containing any LSAT questions - LSAT PrepTests and Problem Sets - will be removed. Any PDFs without LSAT questions will still be available.

Please download all PDFs in your course that you want to use before they disappear on April 21. This is your last chance to get them.

I know this is a pain in the ass and I'm sorry.

Moving forward, 7Sagers must obtain PrepTests some other way. We recommend Amazon.

Videos will NOT be removed. PDFs of quizzes will NOT be removed.

Update - April 8, 2015

We made a page where you can see the PDFs you have access to and will disappear on the 21st, so that you can download all the ones you need in one place:

http://classic.7sage.com/download-pdfs/

Update - April 19, 2015

From now until April 21st, PrepTests with full explanations are temporarily discounted here:

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Make sure to download the PDF immediately because the PDFs will be taken down on April 21st (very soon!).

Update - April 21, 2015

PDFs are officially removed from the site now. We're sorry for the inconvenience. I hope you all got the PDFs you needed!

If you already have a course, you can continue to download the PDFs until 11:59PM EST, April 21, 2015 . Downloads were supposed to stop 24 hours earlier - this extra availability is a grace period to help account for time zones, confusion, etc.

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I signed up for the June LSAT at OSU's campus. Does anyone know what room(s) the exam will be held in? I'd like to scope it out because some of the buildings have notoriously tiny desks.

I know there've been a few posts on this already but I just wanted to be absolutely clear...I haven't logged in for 2 weeks (taking a much needed lsat vacation) and the first thing I see when I come back is that lsac is taking allllll our pdfs back :( So just to be clear, 7sage will no longer offer ANY pdfs that have lsat material on it after April 21? Not even the practice tests? Will they still be sold on the official lsac website?

Man, what is going on at lsac and could they please get it together...

Sorry if this has already been answered...but how do you change your avatar pic? It takes me to another website, "Gravatar" where I signed up for an account but to no avail...isn't working for me. Maybe I'm too tired and I need a cup of Dilon's coffee..

Now that we're a the 9 week mark, I'm really trying to hone my body to kill the June test. My diet is pretty much set but I'm trying to devise a workout schedule that requires the minimum amount of time to be healthy but maximizes my brain potential. I know for women HIIT intervals + strength training is supposed to be the magical solution for fat loss optimization but I am curious what other people's workout schedules look like and consist of. Please share your secrets :)

Any suggestions for website that has online timer? Any suggestions for online proctor ? Any suggestions for live practice proctors in DC area?

I found this online thought it would be nice for test day lol.

http://180watch.com

Maybe it is just me, but sometimes i just don't feel motivated to do LSAT. I guess LSAT has not grown into me well yet, what do you guys do to get motivated? Sometimes I noticed switching to logic games sorta "wakes" me up ( I know I am a wierdo but I love the logic games). Reading comp and logic reasoning my mind drifts off , can't focus sometimes. Any advice on keep drilling?

***Some background here before we start. I love to write, and I don't get to do it enough. I also happen to have a little knowledge about the LSAT and law school admissions generally. With JY’s blessing, I have decide that I will scratch my writing itch on a semi-regular basis by posting long-form blog-style pieces on the forums. For those of you who have the patience to read the huge post that follows, I hope you find it helpful! If you have a topic that you’d like to see me write about, feel free to PM me. And please, discuss the piece freely in the comments below, especially if you disagree – I love to hear other viewpoints and am happy to engage in respectful and reasoned discourse.

I took a linear algebra class in my third year of college.

For those of you who are backing away from me slowly like I’m some kind of alien, relax. It was a required class to ‘upgrade’ my in-progress B.A. in Economics (my second major) into an in-progress B.S. in something known as “Management Science” (a.k.a. “sorry, we don’t actually have an undergrad business major at UC San Diego, so take this thing instead and have fun explaining it to people for the rest of your life").

Well, despite my lack of enthusiasm for math-related things, I actually did pretty well. Actually, enough with the false modesty. I crushed Math 20F. I ANNHILATED it. I studied like a dog for that class, and I earned a solid A competing with a class full of legitimate engineers and hard science majors. And as a result, I couldn’t forget some of that stuff if I tried. If you give me an hour, my old textbook, and some leeway to swear loudly and rapidly, I would probably be able to do 99% of the things we covered in that class right this instant. I’d be rusty, but it’d all come rushing back before too long. I am firmly, and probably forever will be, in the “I know how to do this” camp.

That said, let’s say you had to take a linear algebra exam right this instant, in test conditions similar to your standard college math class testing environment, and if you failed it you’d be forced to listen to Nickelback for 96 hours straight. BUT, you’re allowed a ringer – someone to take the test for you. Knowing what you know about my linear algebra background, would you trust me to take it for you?

No?

Ladies and gentlemen - that, right there, is the difference between knowledge and mastery.

I’ve taken on a lot of what I call “brush-up” students in my time as a tutor – people who have prepped previously and come to me seeking further refinement of their skillset. And no matter where they are on the scoring scale at that particular moment, there is one phrase that inevitably sees the light of day:

“I know how to do everything. I just have (insert issue here)”

Timing is the most common one, but the reasons really run the gamut. Point is, there’s always something holding back the student, and it never seems to be their knowledge. And you know what? They’re usually right. Now let’s be clear - nobody I’ve ever worked with has ever had perfect theoretical knowledge of the test. But, that’s never stopped anyone from missing questions that they really should not have missed given their level of theory knowledge. So it’s not their knowledge that’s holding them back (or at least, not JUST their knowledge). It’s their MASTERY of what knowledge they do have, or lack thereof.

See, here’s the thing about the LSAT. It’s not just a skills test. It’s not much of a knowledge test either. And actually, if you looked at a bunch of 165-168 scorers and compared them to a bunch of 172-175 scorers, I don’t think you’d see all that much difference from a theoretical knowledge perspective. To score past the mid-160s, you simply have to know certain things – how to translate conditional statements, what your valid argument forms are, common methods of reasoning and flawed methods of reasoning to watch out for, how to tackle the various different question types, and so on. And to a large extent, you need to be fluent in them (i.e., no wracking your brain for 5 minutes before “A some B -> C = A some C” comes out; heck, even 5 seconds is probably a few seconds too long).

The difference is in the details - in how fast the 173+ kids are at breaking apart arguments and identifying methods of reasoning; in how razor sharp their instincts are, allowing them zero in on the relevant issues quickly despite unfamiliar context; in how seamlessly and effortlessly theory is invoked at the appropriate time, every time. It’s like magic – the theory just appears when it’s needed, and is tucked safely out of mind when it’s not, ready to be invoked again on a moment’s notice. These kids always seem to look at the right rules in LG, to find the right sentence to refer to in RC, and generally are just humongous walking jealousy magnets. Hell, I’ve been jealous of some of my more advanced students – I couldn’t do some of what they’re capable of when I was taking this thing. And you ask yourself – HOW? How can I be like them? (Pro tip: it's not sacrificing goats. Not that I would know anything about that. Uhh, moving on.)

It’s not that these kids have perfect LSAT knowledge – usually far from it. But, they apply their valid argument forms like you would answer 2+2. They translate conditional statements across groups like you would count to 10. They can give examples of common flawed methods of reasoning in their sleep (and probably do so on a semi-regular basis). And it’s all done with meticulous attention to detail, utterly consistently, almost instinctively. That’s what it means to be a master of a concept. Now, you don’t have to be a master at everything to score decently - most people aren't - but you do need to be a master at SOME things. Those "some" things are usually the core fundamentals. And when you can rattle off ten different phrasings of an A -> B statement off the top of your head; when you can recite the 9 valid and 7 invalid argument forms by heart and articulate the reasoning when pressed; when you reach the point where you will never ever screw up a contrapositive again - when you can do those things, you're on your way.

Put another way - a lot of people are probably capable of doing something right, whatever it may be. But only a select few people in any context are good enough at something that they are literally incapable of doing it wrong. Which camp are you in? And which camp do you expect to see populating the top 1% of an already self-selected sample?

So the next time you hit a wall and get frustrated with your (lack of) progress, ask yourself whether you would really trust yourself to be able to articulate 100 questions worth of LSAT logic if Nickelback torture was the price of failure. With stakes that high, the answer will almost always be ‘no’, but that’s okay. Find out what you’re unsure of, and work on it. Don’t stop until you can do the basics in your sleep, even if it does take some loud swearing and possibly kicking your little brother in the shins in the meanwhile (blame it on me if you need to, I can take the hit). And then, once you’re done with one thing, move on to the next. Slow and steady really, truly does win the race.

Take the time to truly master the basics and you will be rewarded.

Hi 7Sagers!! Hope everyone is doing fine. The 7Sage: Alumni & Friends FB group has been created with @"Dillon A. Wright" and (at least for the moment) myself as group admins. I can't add anybody who is not on my friend list so feel free to add yourselves. This is not any sort of contact detail but I'm skeptical of putting anything in the public message here unless someone can verify that nothing much will come of it. If that is the case then I can post the link here... Otherwise please feel free to search FB for the group or if you cannot find it then PM me for link to the same. Cheers and hope to see everyone there soon!

Okay, so I noticed JY does not really do "mapping" when it comes to reading comp. I have taken a Kaplan course before and basically I had to make numerous notes on the side of each paragraph and think of the Topic/Scope/Purpose/Main Idea.

JY doesn't seem to have specific route to doing the reading comp ( like notes, or mapping or whatever). The Kaplan method slowed me down ! ( English is my 3rd language) haha so I am already slow enough. What do you guys do when it comes to reading comp? Do you take notes on side? Do you just underline? Do you just highlight? What sort of things do you always keep an eye out for?

Hi everyone. I am in a huge dilemma. Chapman Law offered me full ride scholarship. It is close to my house and better drive. Loyola offered me 102k which means around 47k out of pocket. Loyola is obviously better ranked and more well-known.

Another dilemma is that i will be having a baby this august right when the programm starts. If i were to take a year off i would have to reapply and may or may not get the same offers. If u were me which school and what year would u choose to go and why? Help me with ur opinions please

Whats up guys, on my most recent PT my score jumped 5 points. I know this could very well be a fluctuation, but with this PT I really took the "Lowest hanging fruit" strategy seriously, by skipping almost every question I wasn't sure of then going back to it if I had time. Any tips on continuing to improve? At this point skipping questions is still a viable option because realistically I want to score in the high 150's. By the way it was prep test 72, in my opinion the LG section was the most difficult I've seen thus far. Thanks guys.

Just thinking worst-case scenario, what does it look like to a law school when you re-take the LSAT and get a lower score? I know most consider your highest score, but would this still be the case?

@pseudonymous made this look REALLY easy. If you find any errors I will make you a custom meme or avatar of your choice.

@"Al [^-^d]" @blah170blah @"Dillon A. Wright" @jdawg113 @emli1000 @"Nilesh S" @pseudonymous

Seven Sagers—Al, Blah, Dillon, Emli, JDawg, Nilesh, and Pseudonymous—have gathered in a library for a free tutoring session Dillon has offered (to make up for the chaos resulting from a certain scheduling disaster). They will sit, each in one of eight chairs, around a circular table. Any two of them are said to be sitting directly across from one another if and only if there are exactly three chairs between them, counting in either direction of the table, whether the chairs are occupied or not. The following conditions apply:

Al sits directly across from Emli.

Dillon can only sit next to one other person (on his right side) because “[his] coffee needs a seat” (srsly?).

JDawg sits immediately next to neither Al nor Nilesh.

1. Which one of the following could be the order in which four of the Sagers are seated, with no one else seated between them, counting clockwise around the table?

a. JDawg, Dillon, Dillon’s Coffee, Nilesh

b. Emli, Pseudonymous, Nilesh, Al

c. Dillon, Blah, Nilesh, Emli

d. Pseudonymous, JDawg, Nilesh, Al

e. Dillon’s Coffee, Al, Pseudonymous, Blah

2. If Emli sits between Dillon and JDawg, then which one of the following could be the two people each of whom sits immediately next to Pseudonymous?

a. JDawg and Nilesh

b. Al and Nilesh

c. Al and Dillon

d. JDawg and Dillon’s Coffee

e. Nilesh and Blah

3. If Emli does not sit immediately next to Jdawg, then which one of the following could be the two people each of whom sits immediately next to Blah?

a. Al and Pseudonymous

b. Emli and Nilesh

c. Emli and Pseudonymous

d. Al and JDawg

e. JDawg and Pseudonymous

4. If Nilesh sits directly across from Dillon’s Coffee, then each of the following people could sit immediately next to Dillon EXCEPT:

a. Al

b. Emli

c. JDawg

d. Blah

e. Pseudonymous

5. If Nilesh sits directly across from JDawg, then what is the minimum possible number of seats (occupied or not) between Emli and Nilesh, counting clockwise from Emli to Nilesh?

a. Zero

b. One

c. Two

d. Three

e. Four

This is a link to a great article written by Mike Kim (author of LSAT Trainer) on how to study for the LSAT. There is a pdf file of the article you can scroll through on the right side of the page

http://www.woocovers.co/reading/how-to-study-for-the-lsat-the-trainer-by-mike-kim-fxS.html

Okay, So I have watched all of JY Videos on Parallel Flaw but keep missing the correct answer. I feel like my challenge has been correct diagraming ? But when I get that right, its something else :(

Do any of you guys have advice when it comes to approaching these questions? Any steps that should be followed? Where can I do more parallel flaw questions and learn more about these little monsters .

I never realized how annoying it was to hear someone cut my grass while I took a PT. I was in the first section of my PT and on question number 14 when I was disturbed by the lawn mower noise. It was a challenge but I managed not to pause my PT :) hopefully that won't affect my score.

Now that I'm 23 tests into the LG Bundle, I have amassed over 300 games in my "To be foolproofed" file, having already completed over 100 games already. To people who have completed this process, how long did it take you to finish? This is nuts and I'm only making 5 copies of each game (instead of the prescribed 10. I would have killed a tree otherwise). My goodness! I feel like I'll be foolproof-ing until 2016!

Hello again. Me and my drilling questions. I'm preparing for an October retake, but may postpone until December. I have been working through the Ultimate course and I am moving along quite nicely. I'm about 25% through the ultimate course. I'm reviewing PowerScore and The Trainer as needed, which is sparingly. I'm considering purchasing the Manhattan LR guide but we'll see. Anyway, at the current rate I'm expecting to finish the course around mid-May but I am hoping for end of April. My question involves the Cambridge packets. I have the LR bundle organized by question type and the RC packets and the LG bundle through the Ultimate course. I feel like this is a stupid question. Should I be working on the packets as I work through the course or should I wait until the PT stage when I have a firmer handle on my problem areas? Should I do them during both PT and Course stages? I'm working on the practice sets for question types throughout the curriculum but I'm not sure if and how much I should be adding. I'm also concerned with my memory. I have a tendency to remember answer choices for some questions and then the good reason I am getting the correct answer is lost. I'm not reviewing heavily right now for the reason if I have to revisit it later I won't remember the correct answer. PT 73 Section 2 Question 8 I remember the answer but have no memory of what type of question it is, why the answer is right, or the topic but I remember the multiple choice answer. That was my first time I took the LSAT and time ran out as I arrived at the right answer, did not have time to change it. I remember answers of other questions that I have reviewed thoroughly. I would hate to work through an entire question set now and still have issues at the PT stage, need to review question types but remember the answer but not remember why the correct answer is right. I feel like doing them now may waste precious practice questions. On the other hand, I also have PTs to work through that will help get my skill set in the right place. I'm a little lost on how and when to incorporate the Cambridge packets into my studies. Thanks for any advice you can give.

Wondering if anyone experienced that either on PTs or on an actual exam.

hey guys,

This is a question for you folks who have been through most of the lessons.

I have been working through the syllabus and i am currently on the weakening questions. I did pretty well with the MP questions but i have been hitting and missing with the weakening questions and it brought my confidence way down. Have any of you guys experienced this with some lessons? i have been trying to implement JYs explanations on how to do weakening questions and reviewed those lessons and still have been pretty inconsistant. what do you think i should do to get better? tips? thoughts? really getting worried about doing the lsat

Thanks guys

I don't know much about this , but someone told me it would be nice to look at. So apparently there are many law school consultants that would review your personal statement etc.. and help prepare your application. After some research, I realized most charge for a "package". Like you need to pay $750 , ( it is required) for the first 3 hours etc... There are many many of them out there...

Has anyone here worked with a law school consultant? Do you recommended them ? I know there are several of them out there. But I personally feel like the prices they charge students are ridiculous ! Does anyone know where one can seek help with personal statements ? I am first person in my family to attend college, so don't really have many people to look at my essay.

Thanks :)

I've done 5 PT's and still scoring in the 143-146 range. I finished all of the course work and it just doesn't seem to help. I always think I do well on the LR but i'm always way off. Anyone else feel this before? The June LSAT is starting to look too close to raise my score.