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Tuesday, Jul 14, 2020

LSAT Writing

Do I need to finish the writing section before I see my July score on the 30th, or do I just need to complete it before submitting my score to schools in the fall? Thanks!

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Hey,

First, thanks for taking time to read this! I'm taking the July Flex this afternoon and have a last minute question.

Second, just wondering if the ProctorU or Lawhub LSAC portal is the place to go to start the test? In my ProctorU account I see a countdown that I anticipate will turn into a "Take Test" button after it runs out; is this correct? If not, would you quickly mind telling me where to find such feature?

Thanks so much!

Felipe

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Hi Everyone,

I updated my foolproofing notebook for PT's 59-83. Did this a couple years ago with PT's 20-44, but have noticed more unusual games on the newer tests. My hunch is 7sage's foolproofing method and others like it effectively broke the curve on old tests with standard games, hence the higher occurrence of unusual games on newer tests.

In any case, if you have any tablet with stylus support that can run OneNote, this is a great way to take and retake the newer logic games for foolproofing. Also a good simulation for the digital LSAT*

Screenshots below:

https://ibb.co/SmnV063

https://ibb.co/mRR3qy0

https://ibb.co/wppmjNq

(Black boxes only present to hide protected content; not present in actual notebook)

Please reach out to me if you'd like a soft copy of this digital workbook. I'll need you to confirm that you already have legal access to PT's 59-83 & PT 86.

This took a long time to put together. Accordingly while I'm not charging for it, any contribution is appreciated. Took a 3 month hiatus from my career to prep for the August LSAT, and the extra cash would certainly help.

Thanks,

Hari

*I do not recommend this as a standalone for LSATflex prep. I noticed the switching back and forth from scratch paper to a screen in front of you further stresses short-term memory and requires a lot of practice to adjust to.

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I ended up eliminating all of the answer choices and am a bit confused why answer choice is D. Is it because the answer choice only mentions sentencing and not arrested + convicted as the stimulus does?

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I have lots of old tests - including tests 30-50. The logic puzzles seem to be very different from the puzzle types from more recent tests, but I don't want to run out of practice material by only doing tests in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Any thoughts on the older puzzle problems being less relevant? What about the LR & RC? thanks!

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I took the test yesterday at 10:50, and the format was LR26 (electric bacteria) - LG (tv or print) - RC (volcanic ash plumes, Algonquin tribe, Literary theory and science, Women’s marriage law reform in England). I did very well in LR and thought it was pretty easy as it had short prompts. LG was same as usual but you had to be on your toes. RC killed my perfect test tho, as I thought the algonquin passage was brutal and the comparative passage was hard too. If you had this format or any of the sections mentioned, What did you all think about it?

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Hey 7Sagers,

Here's the official July 2020 LSAT-Flex Discussion Thread.

**Please keep all discussions of the July 2020 LSAT-Flex here!**(/red)

Rules:

You can't discuss specific questions. 🙅‍♂️

You CANNOT say things such as the following:

  • Hey, the 3rd LG was sequencing and the last one was In/Out, right?” (Don't mention the game type)
  • The last question in the LR section was a lawgic heavy MBT! Was the answer (B)?” (Don't mention the question type or ask what the answer was)
  • What was the answer for the last question of RC? I think it was an inference question? Was the answer (C)?” (Don't mention the question type or ask what the answer was)
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    Hi guys:

    I just took the July LSAT-Flex, and am concerned I didn't do very well. I know that sometimes you think you did badly, and you end up doing well so I am deciding whether or not it is worth it to cancel. I don't necessarily feel like I bombed it, but I feel very uneasy and not great about it. It could be because its my first time taking it. I also took the test with COVID and am wondering if law schools would consider this. I am also registered for August (October if necessary). Do you think I should cancel, or just see what score I get? I am very confident I will do better on my next test. Just wondering what the best option is at this point. Is it better to get a low score potentially and have law schools see you improve, or just cancel the score right away?

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    I experienced technical problems during my LSAT-Flex today. My proctor instructed me to quit the test and contact LSAC for rescheduling. I followed my proctor's instruction. The LSAC staff helped me reschedule to October (since there is no longer availability for July; I already registered for the August test). Everything was good except I later found the status of my July take had been marked as "Candidate Cancel". I called them again, and they explained to me that this was because I was exposed to the test questions and they had to mark it as "candidate cancel". Did any of you have similar situation? What did you get?

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    Hi all! I am taking the July test on Tuesday, which will be my third time sitting for a test. I took it in Sept '18 (happy with score but knew I could do better) and sat for Nov '18 but ultimately decided to cancel that one. Now I am considering registering for August as a sort of security blanket, if you will. My thought is that if I like the score I get on July 30, I will just withdraw from August. So my question is, will it reflect poorly on my law school apps that I withdrew from August? I know I will be out $200 (which sucks), but my main concern is how it might make me look to an admissions committee. Any and all insights are appreciated, and good luck to anyone else taking the July test this week!

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    Hi 7Sage!

    After doing my 5th Practice Test (PT 38) and doing horribly on Logic Games, I was wondering if doing and foolproofing logic games from PT 1-35 is the right course of action to improve my logic games score? Did anyone else do this? I'm sure it took a lot of time. I was planning on taking the August LSAT but my logic games score under timed conditions is horrendous.

    Thanks!

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    Hi everyone! I'm wondering if anyone knows if mechanical (number 2) pencils are allowed for the LSAT flex? I'm taking it Tuesday and want to make sure it goes as smoothly as possible. Also, if there are any other rules/materials that people ran into trouble with so far on the Flex, I would love to know. Thanks in advance!

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    Was curious to see what most peoples comparative passage RC strategy was. I used to read both passages and then go to the questions, but have since been trying the J.Y. method of reading the 1st passage, seeing what you can deduce in the answer, and then reading the second passage and going back to the questions. How many people do the former, and how many people do the latter (the J.Y. strategy)? I think there is a lot of value in the J.Y. strategy but also notice it usually takes more time to do so and ultimately takes away time from the other passages.

    Would love to hear other peoples thoughts! Thanks in advance.

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    Saturday, Jul 11, 2020

    LSAT Materials

    I see that on LSAC they say you can have two number two pencils. Does this mean that pen is not allowed? If so does proctor U check your scrap paper after the test? I am really an anti pencil person.

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    I'm scoring between 176 and 179 lately, with most of my variation in LR (between 0 and -2, a week ago I got a -3). I'm trying to shore up my skills on that section and consistently get -0 /-1

    Most people that score that high say it is partly due to luck, but I don't like leaving things to luck!

    The good thing is that I'm not making (many) simple errors like missing a word or misreading the argument, and it tends to be the most difficult questions of the test that get me. That leads me to believe that there is still work to be done in improving that score, and that I can be more consistent there. Got any tips for shaving off those last few in LR? What was that process like for you?

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    Hi everyone,

    I wanted to ask for some advice on how you solve inference questions on RC passages. Something I've noticed about J.Y.'s explanations is that he encourages us to "go inside the author's mind" and try to answer from the author's perspective. But I found myself getting inference questions wrong using this approach.

    An example would be PT62.1.27.

    https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-1-passage-4-questions/

    Between A and C, I chose A, because I was trying to "go into" Jewett's mind and and see why she might be "unwilling" (the correct answer is C).

    I guess my question is two-fold: 1) What is your thought process when you solve inference questions on RC, and 2) How do I stop myself from falling into the trap of over-inferring?

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    Hi,

    so we still have a year to do the LSAT writing right? we don't necessarily and have to do it immediately post we complete the flex? any clarity on this would be greatly appreciated.

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    Hi all,

    First of all, after about a month of studying and practicing for RC, I do see a clear improvement in RC, so thanks 7sage!

    Here comes the problem which I could not really find an answer on the 7sage forum: when I do understand what a passage is saying (at least at a minimum level), I can manage to get -0 to -2 on this particular passage no matter what the difficulty level is; however, there are times which I read the passage and would have no clue what the passage is saying, and the result is very likely to be a complete bombing of this passage. Using PTs 73 and 74 as an example, I understood the first passage and the last passage of PT 73, but had no clue what the middle two passages were saying, in which I ended up with -9 just in the middle two passages; while for PT 74, I understood all four passages (again, at least at a minimum level), so I ended up with -2 for the entire section. Beside this specific example, I realize that most passages which I have no clue with are medium-level passages (really not sure why), and I can't find any subject similarities between these passages.

    At first I was thinking that the only way to resolve this is to improve my ability to comprehend these passages, but then I realize that JY says he sometimes gets confused with passages and just has to deal with it when answering questions. So are there any good tips on tackling the questions when you are just not sure what the passage is talking about?

    Lastly, this post is not saying that I don't want to improve my ability to comprehend. I would still try my best to practice with RC and enhance my reading ability, but as a non-native speaker, I suppose it would be difficult for me to actaully improve my vocublary and comprehension skill in a short period of time.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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    Hi!

    I was working on LR and had a little problem with the expression "all that is required to do A is B"

    So if we were to diagram this in conditional language, would B be sufficient for A or would it be necessary?

    Maybe it's biconditional? I'm not sure.

    It's just messing with my head and any help would be greatly appreciated! :)

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    I'm currently drilling weakening question types and they're honestly giving me a really hard time. I feel confident about my task: find something that weakens the support between the premise and conclusion. I have found that really understanding the stimulus before going to the answer choices has helped me a lot. However, I am starting to notice that anticipating a possible way to weaken the stimulus is really hurting me. There have been times when I have been able to correctly anticipate the answer choice. On the other hand, when I run into a question where my anticipation isn't one of the answer choices I end up getting the wrong answer. In said situations, I have noticed that I am so fixed on the answer choice that I anticipated that I end up not liking any of the answer choices. I read through each of them and end up making assumptions that lead me to believe that none of the answer choices would work. I'm not sure how to approach this issue. I would greatly appreciate any advice.

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    How ought we interpret 'often' in lawgic?

    Colloquially, 'often' might be invoked to 'a majority of the times' but it seems to me more analogous to "many" in that it can but does not necessarily imply most.

    Instead it seems to me that 'often' implies that there is a some intersection in the same way that 'many' does. Just like 'many', often is subjective to the expected frequency of a particular event and not indicative of a particular objective standard (more likely than not aka 50% + 1).

    But of course, my opinion is irrelevant... what have the LSAT gods thus decreed on this?

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