Hey all!

I took a 2 1/2 week break from the LSAT while I was on vacation out of the country. It was much needed since my whole summer has consisted of nothing but LSAT studying ~30 hours a week. My break has obviously side tracked my original plans and I'm wondering if my new approach is a good one.

I originally wanted to take 2 PTs a week starting this week until the first week of September. I took PT 38 before I left and scored 8 points above my diagnostic score. My BR score for this PT was 5+ points from the raw score. I was up to PT 4 in the FP stage with around 3/4 tries until I hit perfection.

Now, I'm thinking to do 1 PT a week giving me about 6 PTs left to take. With this in mind, I was planning to do 1 PT from each group saving the rest for intense drilling and experimentals. For example, I already took a PT from the 30s. So my next one will be ONE from the 40s, 50s, etc.

My concerns are whether or not this is effective enough to expose me to the different tests and if I can't get through to PT 36 for FPing if this will be something worth concern. I can typically get through 2 PTs worth of FPing but in the event I can't make it to PT 36 - I wanted to know if this could drastically shift my goal of hitting a perfect score in LG.

Thanks to those who respond and best of luck studying :)

Good news! For those who took the July test but were unable to make the September deadline, LSAC has extended the September LSAT registration deadline to July 31st. Good luck!!

I am struggling with Sufficient Assumptions and PSA as well. Even when I went through the lesson, I feel like it just doesn't click. I have watched the videos numerous times and it just doesn't work. The SA are the ones I am missing on the practice tests as well. What suggestions do you guys have? Any tips? Study guides? I appreciate all advice!

Hey everyone, I’m having trouble with RRE questions.

Does anyone know what the relationship between weaken and RRE questions is?

I never got to hear JY’s explanation in the CC.

Thank you in advance.

Hello,

I came across a weakening question(in the PT 60s)where the LSAT writers are messing with the difference between financial rewards and salary. Now, I just wanna make sure that I'm not imaging myself but I totally had a deja vu moment after getting it wrong earlier today because I swear there was almost an identical question on the very same concept somewhere in the PT 50s.... Have I gone crazy or can anyone vouch for me here haha. Has this been tested multiple times throughout the LSAT history?

Many thanks! :)

I'm realizing I'm reading the stimulus too quickly and therefore stupidly losing points on fact-based questions (RRE, MSS) and missing key assumptions that are made in the conclusion (scope, subset, etc).

So how do you all read? What do you focus on? Underline? Where do you slow down? When do you pause? What are you looking for?

Right now I'm really focusing on taking in every single word of the conclusion bc that's often where the errors are made, but I would love to know if there's anything else that I can/should be doing.

Does anybody know if there is a waiting list for the Sept LSAT? I missed the deadline to register and was wondering if they offer that option?

If not, is the November LSAT a good time to take it?

I just finished a PT that made use twice of "it is," in english to convey logic, in one SA question. This indicator is not in the CC and honestly, thinking about if the word following "it is" was necessary or sufficient slowed me down drastically.

"it is" is a group TWO indicator. This might be intuitive for most people but it definitely was not for me. My uncertainty was compounded when the context of the statement was "It is imprudent to appear prudent." Of course, finding the conditionality is a lot easier when the statement is "it is good to go outside," but I wanted to share what I have learned in hopes that others will not be thrown off if you happen to come across this indicator in the future!

I've been drilling Flaw questions pretty hard the last two days and I'm not making much of an improvement. On the easier questions (lvl1-3) I can easily identify the flaw and rarely miss. On harder questions (lvl 4&5) I seem to struggle much more and often rely on the answer choices to identify the flaw for me in the few I am able to get right. Is there something I could do to try and improve this question type?

Hey all, I hope everyone did well on July test! Unfortunately, I'm a bit stumped since I did poor on one of the LR sections. For those of you who had an LG experimental, were the following questions real or experimental?

In addition, does anyone recall if the nutritional deficiencies question was the 2nd question of the first or second real LR?

Hey ! . I had a moment today while studying and I just wanted to seek some more advice . So I am currently still learning logic reasoning by question type. I’ve completed mbt, mss, strength and weaken questions . Yesterday as I practiced my untimed strengthen questions I scored 14/16 . Feeling on top of the world I said it’s time to do a mixed review timed of all the question types I’ve learned thus far . Unfortunately I scored 5/12 on just the mbt and a few strengthen questions. I gave myself 5 full minutes to get these answers correct and I didn’t make myself feel bad for not complying some outside of the 5 minutes. However I did worst. Does this mean I still don’t understand the question types ? I haven’t done more than the first 20 PTs but I’m concerned that I need to do something different or is it just the process ?

What do you think?

Also is there anyone who has logic reasoning packets that can help me study by question type ??

Hello everyone,

I am currently going through the CC, and I am having major difficulties with the parallel questions and the necessary questions. For the parallel reasoning + flaw questions, I do understand the answers for the easier questions but as they get more difficult and implement Formal Logic, my brain gives up on me. I’m having GREAT difficulty in translating lawgic to English. And I have no idea how to improve. I tried going back to the logic sections and I understand those lessons,but I really stumble with translating when I see real problems . Also for necessary assumptions, I just don’t know how to solve these problems. I understand what kind of answer I have to look for, but every time I see a new problem, I feel like I’m not understanding what I have to do fully.

Please give me any advice ! Thank you so much everyone

Hello everyone, currently freaking out from yesterday's LSAT. Probably just in post LSAT stress but I am currently fearing for the worst. Heres the run down, I usually score really well on the LG sections, like finish with extra time and miss 0-2 questions tops. This has helped me consistently meet my goal of 170 and higher on my PTs. However, yesterdays daunting LG games destroyed me, it was none of the practice LG's I had seen and I had done a good amount of PT's. I felt so bad once the section ended that I swore my only saving grace was if it was experimental, it wasn't. I couldn't even finish it in time and honestly can't remember if I bubbled in the 2 questions I didn't get to. I remember marking so many as ones that I needed to go back on to check which I rarely have to do in PTs. I am trying to get into a T14 so this 170 is crucial. I felt pretty good on the other sections but you never really know. I had a mini panic attack when I found out this LG wasn't experimental and I don't want it to cost me my chance of a T14 since some average LSAT scores or need good reasons to accept the second score. Should I cancel? Or am I just being paranoid?

Hey everyone, I am having a hard time with Flaw Questions. I know we are supposed to memorize the common argument flaws but that is where my struggle is. I am very much a visual/example type of learner. When going through the flaw types I realized it would really help me to understand and memorize them if I had examples. So I have been going through PTs and Drills that I have done trying to match them up with the flaw types and could use some help. Some I am able to easily match up to the type of flaw and others I am not. I have listed the different types below, some have specific question examples and then underneath I have a list of questions I need help matching. If anyone knows of any specific PT questions that match up with the other flaws please let me know so I can add them to my list. I hope this can also help others that struggle with flaws.

Flaw Types with Example Questions

1) Attacking the source of the argument

PT19S2Q14 *Thanks keets993

"rejects a claim by attacking the proponents of the claim rather than addressing the claim itself"

PT25S4Q04 *Thanks keets993

"assails legislation on the basis of the questionable character of supporters of the legislation"

PT39S4Q11 *Thanks keets993

"diverts attention from the content of the article by focusing on the writers' actions"

2) Uses terms unclearly/equivocation

PT25S04Q17

"The argument ambiguously uses the word "afford""

PT53S1Q12 *Thanks keets993

"ambiguity of risk"

PT22S2Q24 *Thanks keets993

"draws a conclusion based on equivocal language"

3) Analogies that really aren’t analogous enough

"It relies on an analogy between two things that are insufficiently alike in the respects in which they would have to be alike for the conclusion to be supported"

4) Appealing to authority in an area outside their expertise

5) Causation confusions

PT47S3Q23

“It takes for granted that if a correlation has been observed between two phenomena, they must be causally connected”

PT30S2Q25 *Thanks keets993

"because hormone levels are correlated with heart disease they influence heart disease"

PT47S1Q23 *Thanks keets993

"ignores the possibility that an increase in theta waves may not always be accompanied by a state of profound creativity"

PT18S4Q9 *Thanks keets993

"It mistakes a correlation between the type of brain damage described and Parkinson's disease for a causal relation between the two"

PT39S4Q20 *Thanks keets993

"overlooks the possibility that the same thing may causally contribute both to education and to good health"

PT20S1Q10 *Thanks akistotle

"ignores the possibility that drivers who drive recklessly have a preference for red cars"

PT20S4Q14 *Thanks akistotle

"It concludes that one thing was caused by another although the evidecnce given is consistent with the first thing's having caused the second"

PT30S2Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"Because hormone levels are correlated with heart disease they influence heart disease"

PT31S2Q9 *Thanks akistotle

"offers no evidence that the individuals queried would have responded differently had they been asked the same questions in years prior to the survey"

PT64S1Q5 *Thanks akistotle

"dogs' misbehavior is the cause of, rather than the result of, frequent discipline"

PT65S1Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"illicitly infers a cause from a correlation"

PT66S4Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"foods containing fiber also contain other substances that, when consumed, tend to prevent colon cancer"

6) Circular Reasoning

PT17S2Q2 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"draws a conclusion that simply restates a claim given in support of that conclusion"

PT17S3Q20 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"assumes what it sets out to conclude"

PT6S3Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"It assumes what it seeks to establish"

PT24S2Q8 *Thanks akistotle

"presupposes the truth of the conclusion it is attempting to establish"

PT49S2Q23 *Thanks akistotle

"The purported evidence that it cites in support of its conclusion presumes that the conclusion is true"

7) Confusing necessary and sufficient conditions

PT63 S1 Q25

“infers that something that is sufficient to provide a motive is necessary to provide a motive”

PT22S2Q25 *Thanks keets993

"confuses a sufficient condition with a required condition"

PT17S2Q11 *Thanks keets993 and akistotle

"It mistakenly interprets P to be claiming that a factor assures, rather than is necessary for, a legislator's effectiveness"

PT17S3Q9 *Thanks keets993

"does not establish that only a bird could have made the track"

PT18S4Q3 *Thanks keets993

"Grass seeds will not germinate well unless they are pressed firmly into the ground. The grass seeds sown in this yard were pressed firmly into the ground, so they will germinate well"

PT22S4Q21 *Thanks akistotle

"presupposing that if an action's having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action"

PT23S2Q19 *Thanks akistotle

"taking the nonexistence of something as evidence that a necessary precondition for that thing also did not exist"

PT23S3Q17 *Thanks akistotle

"mistakes being sufficient to justify punishment for being required to justify it"

PT24S2Q23 *Thanks akistotle

"From the assertion that something is necessary to a moral order, the argument concludes that that thing is sufficient for an element of the moral order to be realized"

PT30S4Q14 *Thanks akistotle

"It mistakes something that is necessary for its conclusion to follow for something that ensures that the conclusion follows"

PTJ07S3Q25 *Thanks akistotle

"confuses a condition's being required for a given result to occur in one case with the condition's being sufficient for such a result to occur in a similar case"

PT64S1Q24 *Thanks akistotle

"confuses a claim that under certain conditions a certain action should be taken with a claim that the action need not be taken in the absence of those conditions"

PT67S2Q09 *Thanks akistotle

"treats a statement whose truth is required for the conclusion to be true as though it were a statement whose truth ensures that the conclusion is true"

PT68S3Q21 *Thanks akistotle

"takes for granted that the speech could not be inappropriate if it was not inflammatory"

8) False dichotomy

PT22S4Q09 *Thanks keets993

"treats two things, neither one of which can plausibly be seen as excluding the other, as though they were mutually exclusive"

PT39S4Q26 *Thanks keets993

"Since there is a storm moving in, the outside temperature cannot rise this afternoon. Therefore, it must fall."

9) Confusing probability for certainty

"It takes for granted that the economic incentive to construct colonies on the Moon will grow sufficiently to cause such a costly project to be undertaken."

10) Confusing "is" for "ought"

11) Percentages v. quantity

"Far more pedestrians cross at corners than jaywalk"

12) Surveys and samplings to reach a general conclusion

PT 63S1Q3

“It relies on the opinions of a group unlikely to be representative of the group at issue in the conclusion”

PT51S1Q4

“fails to state the number of dermatologists surveyed, which leaves open the possibility that the sample of doctors is too small to be reliable”

PT31S2Q03 *Thanks keets993

"Those who are best able to provide answers to the question are patients, rather than physicians"

PT39S4Q21 *Thanks keets993

"that there may be few if any other plumbers working in Moore's town"

13) Hasty generalization

PT51S3Q6

“draws a generalization that is broader than is warranted by the findings cited”

PT30S2Q13 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

"Treats a claim about what is currently the case as if it were a claim about what has been the case for an extended period"

PT39S2Q2 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

“draws a conclusion about all cases of a certain kind on the basis of evidence that justifies such a conclusion only about some cases of that kind”

PT18S4Q25 *Thanks keets993

"He attempts to refute a general claim by reference to nonconforming cases, although the claim is consistent with the occurrence of such cases"

14) Experiments to reach a general conclusion

"playing the study's card game perfectly requires fairly low levels of perception and memory"

15) Your argument fails therefore the opposite of your conclusion must be true

PT47S1Q8

“takes for granted that the fact that a claim has not been demonstrated to be false establishes that it is true”

PT51S1Q15 *Thanks samantha.ashley92

“the argument, in its attempt to refute one theory of species classification, presupposes the truth of an opposing theory”

16) Relative v. absolute

PT 53S1Q22 *Thanks keets993

"mistakes a merely relative property for one that is absolute"

PT 85S3Q24

"takes for granted that there are not significantly more households with a dog than ones with a cat"

17) Confusing one possible solution for the only solution

"Confuses being an adequate solution with being a required solution"

18) Red herring

PT26S2Q11

"it appeals to the emotion of pity rather than addressing the issue raised"

PT18S4Q11 *Thanks keets993

"relies on an irrelevant reason for rejecting the civil libertarian's argument"

-PT18S2Q04 *Thanks keets993

"He argues against a point that is not one that Marianna was making"

19) Tradition fallacy and novelty fallacy

“fails to show that a certain conclusion of the recent report is better justified than an opposing conclusion reached in older studies”

20) Confusing part v. whole

"To put together this year's two All-Star Teams, the best players in the league were selected. Half of them were put on Team One, and half were put on Team Two. Since each player on the two teams was one of the best players in the league this year, it follows that the two All-Star Teams are the two best teams this year."

I also describe this is as 'falsey transfers attributes that can't be transferred' *Thanks keets993

PT17S3Q19 *Thanks keets993

"Of all the flowers grown in the university's botanical garden, the Oakland roses are the most beautiful. Since the university's botanical garden is the most beautiful . Since the university's botanical garden is the most beautiful garden in the region, the Oakland roses grown in the garden must be the most beautiful flowers grown in the entire region."

PT17S3Q16 *Thanks keets993

"assuming that because something is true each of the parts of a whole it is true of the whole itself"

PT62S2Q7 *Thanks LCMama2017

"This paragraph is long. So the sentences that comprise it are long."

21) Beliefs v. facts

22) Relies on people's opinions as fact

"a claim is inferred to be false merely because a majority of people believe it to be false"

Match the flaw

PT47S1Q23

“ignores the possibility that an increase in theta waves may not always be accompanied by a state of profound creativity”

PT51S1Q6

“It fails to take into account that what brings someone happiness at one moment may not bring that person happiness at another time”

PT51S1Q18

“overlooks the possibility that most people may have voted for small cities even though a large city received more votes than any other single city”

PT51S3Q4

“fails to consider that the total amount of money spent on education may be much greater than the total spent on sports”

PT51S3Q9

“fails to consider the possibility that the vehicle related fatality rates in other areas are also rising”

PT67S2Q9

"treats a statement whose truth is required for the conclusion to be true as though it were a statement whose truth ensures that the conclusion is true"

PT67S2Q21

"the argument fails to consider that bees might be present even in the absence of a particular condition that would ensure their presence"

More added by @samantha.ashley92

PT30S4Q8: "The argument presumes that no other evidence is relevant to the issue at hand"

PT30S4Q14: "It mistakes something that is necessary for its conclusion to follow for something that ensures that the conclusion follows"

I saw that D was the right answer but why is B wrong? Thanks!

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#help I’m about to start method of reasoning questions. However, I’m not sure if I missed a particular lesson with the different types of arguments that may or may not be expressed.

For example: if the question uses argument by analogy I know the form because it was literally the first question we went over in the curriculum.

I was wondering if there were a list of different argument types so I have some idea what what I’m looking for.

I’m worried because when I tried to do these questions before viewing the video, they turned out to be difficult partly because I did not know what I was looking for.

Yes I understand these questions are heavy in referential phrasing, but from what I understand is that other companies give you a list of different argumentation by analogy, wisdom of the masses, over generalization and so and so forth. So I was wondering if there was a complete list of method(s) of reasoning.

Thanks

Chuggin’

Hey Guys, so I know JY had a blind review session on the reading comp and other sections. Is there a way for me to retrieve the webinars for this blind review?

Also, where can I go to get the video explanations/discussions for PT 84?

Hey guys!

Here's the official July 2018 LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the July 2018 LSAT here!

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the July 2018 LSAT, but here are some ground rules:

:warning: Don't mention specifics about the test! (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing")

It can get both us and you in a lot of trouble!

:warning: Saying that the test was hard/easy is okay, but anything more specific is not okay!

:warning: The only exception: you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, asking questions like “Was the LG with "flowers" experimental?” is okay. You can say “The LG section with "flowers" was real!” But you cannot say “the 3rd game of the real section was In/Out game.”

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about July 2018 LSAT!

Have fun discussing!

Hi everyone,

So I've finished the CC, took a PT to see where I'm at and, like lots of others, was disappointed in my score. My BR score is about 6 points lower than my goal score.

At the suggestion of other 7sagers, I am doing the following in no particular order:

My question is, should there be some sort of order to this studying? This may be too much, but I'd really love to create a schedule of what to study when, when to take PTs, etc. Without a schedule, I feel like I'm wasting possible opportunities for better understanding.

I would love to hear what sort of schedule/plan you're following if you've got one.

Thanks!

Is there a specific reason why pt1-16 LR questions don’t have explanation videos? I was drilling these earlier pts but not having the videos to explain the passage makes understanding my mistake a little difficult.

For parallel flaw questions, how do we go about finding the correct answer choice? Are we looking for invalid arguments? Are we looking for answers that are opposite from the stimulus. Can someone clarify how I should go about finding the correct answer choice?

What is the best way to approach these questions? I’m not with 7Sage but using powerscore bibles and have the LSAT trainer but haven’t used it yet. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Just curious.... It says "omitted from scoring" in question bank.

So what heppened to it?

I’ve noticed a significant increase in difficulty while drilling LR sections from PT 42-51 compared to those from PT 29-38. Do the LR sections get more difficult? I’ve read that some people think they do and others don’t notice any difference. I guess I’m asking you guys to resolve this apparent paradox for me. If there is a difference, then hopefully it will expose a weakness in my fundamentals.

I forget?! Thanks!