Can anyone break this down?

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Hi everyone,

I am done with core cirriculum and have taken 4 practice tests now (35-39) and have somehow managed a 158 on all 4 despite blind review on each. I have ample time to study, could I reasonably expect to get up to the mid to high 160s?

Hi long time lurker and would really appreciate any perspective that people have!

I have been studying for a while now (took February, retaking in July so two weeks away now) and still am too slow on LG. I usually am ~1-3 minutes off target time especially on the harder games, which obviously adds up though with that extra time I am -0 to -3 on most games sections. LG is the only section where I continue to struggle with time.



Does anyone have any strategies on the question order you answer in, eliminating all answers versus trusting you have the right answer, looking for the right answer versus eliminating the wrong, or anything else that they have found saves them time?

Similarly, if anyone has advice on how to spend my last two weeks with LG drills that would be immensely appreciated as well. Given the limited time left, I am trying to figure out how to prioritize my studying/which games to work on, etc. I feel one of my continuing weaknesses is figuring out the game too late into the game, i.e. by the time I finish the game I have all the necessary inferences but I did not see them off the bat. I am fine to dedicate most of my study time to LG as I am consistently scoring where I would like on LR and feel like CR is a relatively futile studying situation for me.


Thank you so much in advance and please let me know if I can provide any further information.

I see these posts a lot on 7sage about students who are unable to reign in their inconsistencies with RC. In my recent prep, I've noticed the same phenomenon. For a given section I might finish a 5/5 difficulty passage + questions in 8 minutes and miss only 1 question, but on another 3/5 difficulty passage in the same section it takes me 14 minutes and I miss -3/7. The answer to the inconsistency question here is probably "exposure" but are there any other methods or principles that you all have used that help you approach and tackle an RC section with consistency in mind?

Another thing that I've noticed is that there doesn't seem to be a difficulty gap between passages in RC, they all feel equally hard to me, regardless of difficulty rating - unlike LG where difficulty is highly predictive of performance.

On the LSAT is there a difference? I heard JY make a distinction in one of the videos (PT 57 explanations) and I am not sure if there is a major difference between the two. If you are asked to weaken or strengthen a claim, should it be treated the same way as an argument?

Thank you

Chose E, but still not clear why the answer is A. I was turned off from A because "submarine basalt", and could not find this in the passage. Could someone explain answer A? Thank you!

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Hi all,

Hope your weeks are off to a good start.

I was doing really well on the logic games section on my practice tests (0-2). But in my last two practice tests, my performance has gone down all b/c I can't figure out one game in the section. I've noticed that both of the games I missed were rule driven, games that don't have allow for a lot of inferences and you just have to rely on the rules to solve the game. I've struggled with rule driven games before as well.

What are some games that you think I should practice?

Hello all - I'm working on LR drills and have come across "evaluate" drills package. I don't remember "evaluate" questions in the CC. I did a search and didn't find them. I'm not understanding what I'm supposed to be looking for. If someone can point me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it.

#help

Hello!!

Does anyone know how much scratch paper they provide for the logic games sections?

I do not understand how this answer choice reconciles the discrepancy, I was wondering if anyone could further clarify this for me.

STIMULUS: "Burying Beetles do whatever they can to minimize the size of their competitors broods without adversely affecting their own. This is why they routinely destroy each other's eggs when two or more of the beetles inhabit the same breeding location. Yet, after the eggs hatch the adults treat all the larvae equally, sharing in the care of the entire population."

Answer choice B, the correct answer, states that Burying beetles are unable to discriminate between their own larvae and the larvae of other burying beetles. However, my problem with this answer choice is that the first sentence of the stimulus states that burying beetles do whatever they can to minimize the size of their competitors broods without adversely affecting their own. However, in order to notice this type of pattern within their behavior, wouldn't that imply that they have some sense of which are their brood?

When you guys read an argument, are you guys breaking it down as you read (e.g. the sentence I just read is a premise, this next one is the conclusion), or are you reading the stimulus intuitively to understand what it says, and then evaluating the validity after?

Reaching out to see what some general techniques are for lr (for someone that br, drills question types and has gone through the cc but is not seeing large gains ).

I have been studying for the LSAT for about 1month and 1 week. I have put in about 100 hours total so far for all the sections, but my logic games section is not improving at all. I have used my time thus far to go through the core curriculum so I have only spent about 20 hours probably all together doing logic games, but I feel very discouraged because everyone says they are the most learnable section and I can't figure out why I am having such difficulty. On my diagnostic I got 9 out of 23 questions in the logic games section, 7 out of 23 sections for the second practice test in the LG section, and 8 out of 23 in the LG section on the third practice test I just took today. Do you have any stories of major improvement on the logic games section or any tips? I plan to take the test on November 17 so I still have 4 months left to improve. I do pretty well on the other sections, but the logic games section significantly brings my score down. How long did it take you to improve your logic games section (if you weren't naturally great at it initially). I know it is going to take time, but I'm just worried. It would be nice to hear that someone improved significantly after struggling initially. Also, should I be taking practice tests every 2ish weeks if I haven't finished the core curriculum yet? Thank you.

Hey all,

So i've been slugging away for LR for sometime. I've done all LR sections from 25-50 (mixture of drills, timed sections, etc.)

I've gotten a lot better at really understanding the fundamentals of LR questions. I've gotten my BR score down from -10 to -2 now for across the 2 sections.

The challenge now is bridging the timed gap. For timed, I usually get around -8 wrong per section.

During BR, I can get most if not all of these questions right.

Any advice on how to bridge this gap?

Somethings I've heard about are recording myself take the test and some confidence drills. I've tried recording myself, but have yet to do any confidence drills. Any other advice would be appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Quick question - how much time should I leave to review LR questions within a section - I've recently gotten quick enough to leave 4-6 minutes to go back over a section; part of that is through picking an answer choice, without 100% certainty, and moving onto the next question.... I have a hard time, mental barrier really, plain old skipping LR questions - I have been able to do that within LG sections and sometimes RC - but not LR. Just curious if anyone else has a similar approach and generally how much time to leave left over for review before time is up? Also, I had a strategy to leave around 10 minutes for the last 5 questions of a section - I've recently succeeded in getting quicker - a positive, that is over only 5 LR sections that I've done recently - so hopefully it carries over to the July LSAT. Sorry for the ramble!

Without giving too much away, as I'm not finished BR'ing yet, can someone give me an example of a simple argument that exemplifies the flaw noted in answer choice D (draws a conclusion about how the world actually is on the basis of claims about how it should be)?

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For BR, do u watch JY video/check answer right after you BR just 1question, or do u wait till you BR the entire section to then check answers and watch videos?

Sometimes after I spend like 10 minutes BRing a question, I really wanna know right after whether I got that question right/and whether my thought process was correct, so I immediately watch JY’s video. That way, my thought process is fresh in my mind and I can compare how I thought to JY’s explanation.

Is it ok to do this, or should I first BR all the questions in the section first before I check answers and watch JY’s videos?

Hey 7sagers,

When I have a conditional rule, do I have to test the conditional rule AND it's contrapositive in the rule testing type questions (the ones that frequently occur as the first question in each game)? Experience tells me the answer is no but I'm not sure why. Could someone explain?

Hey 7sagers,

I realize this is a very specific question but it seems to be a problem that I keep getting stuck on so I wanted to ask for advice. I have noticed this problem occurs specifically in1) sequencing/grouping games that have rules using conditional logic. 2) The questions that inevitably need to be solved using "brute force" as JY would say (can't be solved with just inferences). Essentially, how should I brute force these questions when there are conditional logic rules? Should I fulfill the sufficient condition and test? Necessary condition and let the sufficient fall away? Both?

Thanks so much!

Does anyone else have difficulty with the mss/inference questions on reading comp? I always feel like the answer I select is never the one best supported by the text because I don’t make the correct inferences or because the answer was somewhere else in the passage.

Is this an example of a poor comparison of laws at one time vs the present? I just can't seem to make the connection here. Thoughts?

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I did the SA/PSA lessons and seemed to be somewhat slow and only got about 85% of all the problems in the lessons correct. I've found that it helps to just think of them as strengthening questions at first and attempt to find an assumption that will strengthen the argument, then use logic if it seems too difficult. Is this a viable method or will it come back to bite me if I don't just learn to drill out SA/PSA questions with logic (i.e. will it lessen my chances of getting more difficult SA/PSA questions correct, slow me down with these problems, etc.)?

I saw someone post a while back about how they would, given their reading speed, read RC passages twice before tackling the questions. I'm curious what others think of this strategy since I've struggled with slowing my reading pace down.

Hi guys.

My subscription is expiring this week, so I just thought I'd say thanks before I go. Even though I didn't post much, this website and community were instrumental to my LSAT improvement over the last year. I went from a 163 diagnostic, to 168 in September, and finally to a 172 in June. With my 3.5ish GPA, even that four point improvement at the end was a huge boost to my admissions chances. I was actually only shooting for a 170 when I signed up for 7sage.

I improved so much in LG with the foolproofing method, and the analytics tool helped me pinpoint and address my other problem areas. 7sage works! Blind review and foolproofing work! I couldn't have done it without 7sage. Keep working and you'll get your target score.

Sometimes it didn't feel like I was improving much, but it's just a slow, slow process. Looking back, I think I improved about one point per month of study, but sometimes that improvement was masked by the +-3 pt fluctuations between practice tests. I definitely had periods where I was consistently scoring below where I should have been -- for example, in April I had a string of 168s, right after I had been consistently scoring in the low-mid 170s. Don't get discouraged by that stuff -- you know you're improving!

Also: I have to rag on Powerscore before I go. The Powerscore LG Bible overcomplicates logic games. I definitely prefer the way that JY teaches them. It is not helpful to spend hours and hours learning how to organize logic games into tiny, discrete categories. Actually doing timed logic games is what will help you get to -0.

Thanks guys! Peace out.

Hi everyone-

I am taking the July LSAT (SOS) and am going to go into it with PTs all over the map- ranging from a 164 to a 175 (averaging around a 168). Any suggestion on how I can push them over the hump in the last couple weeks? Planning on taking two a week in between now and then. I just took PT 77 which was absolutely brutal and demoralizing but I am trying to stay calm. Any tips/ tricks out there?