Firstly, I was wondering how many LG's y'all fool-proof until you were -0 consistently on the games?? And how many were you doing a day? How long did it take? I've done about 180 LG and not all of them more then once and I am at -7.6 average. Just trying to gage how much more I have left to do, even though I know everyone's different when it comes to the LSAT.

Secondly, I just want to know if I'm fool-proofing the proper way. Basically my system is to do a game write down all the data and then watch the video if I feel like I don't understand why I got the question wrong. Then I do the next game in the book ( I am using the LG 1-20 book from powerscore) and then I cycle through the games I haven't gotten down to the 7sage recommended time and a perfect score after I finish the book. I heard someone say that you should try to get all the games down to 5 minutes when fool-proofing. I feel like this impossible unless you remember the answer. Should I spend less time in between re-doing games? Like should I do the game a few hours after or the next day? It usually takes me 4 or 5 days to get through all the LG in the book which basically means I am slowly fool-proofing them all at once. Should I master a set of 10 or so, fool-proof them and then move onto the next chunk? Or is the way I'm doing it OK? As always trying to be the most efficient with my limited study time.

Most of us are now focusing on timing and endurance at this point, while some of us (like me) are still working on fool proofing logic games. Regardless, we all want to gather those extra points on test day. At this point, many of us have a good understanding of fundamentals but it really comes down to how many questions we can get correct on test day.

What are some strategies that worked for you in regards to timing different sections? LR/RC/LG?

For RC, would it make sense to really focus on three passages and guess on the last one? Especially for those aiming around between 160-165.

For LR, I know some people do the first 15 questions and then the last 5 on the section. Or aim to finish 25 questions in 25 minutes?

For LG, I say fool-proof the most recent games. They will be more representative of the newer games, which include double layering/substitution questions.

What has been working for you guys?

I made this thread so people can find what works for them through trial and error in these next couple of days leading up to test day!

Good luck everyone!!

With about two weeks left until the test, I am wondering how many PTs I should take and what to focus on.

I've been studying for a year and have taken 27 PTs total with an average of 170.5 on on PT65 to 75. My goal has been 175 on PTs so that I can be pretty sure I get 170+ on the test, but I am cognizant that that might not happen. LR and RC fluctuate from -1 to -5 and LG is mostly perfect.

I have PT 76 through 82 left. How many do you all think I should do?

I am curious about the experiences of people who did a lot of PTs before the test and those that did few.

I am worried about burn out but my energy levels have been good and I am mostly enjoying studying at this point.

I am also BRing thoroughly with clean copies.

I feel like I have a solid grasp on CC -- I lose points on details, inattention, and bad timing. I feel that most of my issues are strategic, which is why I feel I should be still taking tests in the first place.

Anyone in a similar boat?

I have been doing confidence drills lately and I've been doing worse than I normally do. I usually miss between 5-6 per section, but on the last two I did I missed 9. Not quite sure what to make of it. I have been trying to get my timing to be 20 in 20 and 20-25 in 8, so I have 7 minutes to review whatever I skipped. I feel like this is considerably more difficult for me to do than my usual timing strategy, which quite honestly involves barely making it in time. On my last section I was able to get 17 in 20 and then I did 18-25 in 10, so I had 5 minutes to spare. Unfortunately, I felt like 5 minutes is not quite enough time to have leftover. I'm in a position where I'm not sure what to do to improve. I feel like I can sense the correct answer once I have a clear understanding of the stimulus, but I can't make the information click any faster. Any feedback would be super helpful

On a recent PT I had -8 within the first 10 questions on the first LR section.

Otherwise, I scored 15 on the LR section. I could have gotten 23.

I am not sure if this is due to my anxiety or what...

Aren't the first 10 questions in a LR section generally on the easier side in comparison to mid/end of the section.

I really need at least a 161 on the December test.

HELP!

So the title of the discussion is gigantic but it summarizes it pretty accurately. I ask because during the 40's and 50's PTs, I was essentially scanning them just to get a sense of what to expect and whether I had to focus perhaps on a specific point of view or paragraph and I would also make a mark on sentences that are asked. For these PTs, I would get -1/-4 consistently and now that I am with the 60s and 70s PTs, the RC is just destroying me. Sometimes I do what I mentioned above with some success and sometimes I don't. Just wanted to get a sense of what people do here, especially of course if you are super successful with the RC passages. Maybe it all boils down to the RC passages becoming more and more difficult over the years, I don't know! Thanks!

With just over two weeks until December 2, I've found that my scores have been decreasing. I'm not sure if it's anxiety, burnout, or just being crazy busy at work, but something isn't happening for me here.

I intend to take the test to see how I do, but am now becoming more open to the possibility of waiting until next cycle, retaking, and applying earlier with a higher score. It's just that I really don't want to be in my current job for much longer, and the thought of waiting another YEAR makes me so disappointed and sad. :(

Any recommendations for the final stretch?

With limited time, I am wondering how to get the most out of the LG games. I know many others on here who are working towards improving games. With the time that we have left, what do you guys recommend while obviously balancing other sections as well? Hence, I cannot dedicate all my time from now to the December exam but I would like to improve my games. I have seen a slow improvement by foolproofing the CC problem set games but as of right now, should I start with PT 45-60? Or?

I have neglected logic games for a while now thinking I was good to go and focused all my attention on LR (which btw I have seen hardly any improvement)...

Is there any way I can achieve -0 by December test?

Right now I am fool-proofing the CC LG problem sets.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

This question absolutly sucked, anyone wanna take a crack at it?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-4-question-23/

I took the September LSAT and did not reach my target score. It was my first test, nerves kicked in, and I only studied for about 3 months while working full-time. I am not able to study full time and quit my job, but my boss allowed me to have a 4 days/week schedule (Tues-Fri) to allot time for studying. I signed up for the December LSAT, but I do feel that I haven't had much time to study after September. However, the partial refund deadline was yesterday, and if I do decide to withdraw, $180 down the drain.

I plan to turn in my applications early (by next week), and I'm wondering if I don't do so well again, and decide to take the February LSAT, would hurt my chances taking it three times and later into the cycle? I will write an addendum.

To add context: My GPA is not high (double-majored, 3.4). I prefer not to wait another year for the next round of applications since I stalled one year already. I am sort of non-traditional, 3 years out of school.

I appreciate any insight and advice, thanks!

Im having a bit of a mental block as how to knockout AC B, i know E is right but can someone help me get rid of B?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-4-question-03/

I swear no matter how fast I go I cannot finish an entire RC section. I have no problem finishing LR and LG. But for some reason I can’t get through this section in 35 minutes. I usually have 5 minutes remaining with an entire passage left.

What have you guys done to speed up RC without making a bunch of silly mistakes.

Was wondering if there is a difference between a question asking for the overall conclusion of an argument vs main conclusion vs summarizes the main point ?

Iv noted that some AC summarize the MP, and some will literally restate the sentence that has the MC,

Thoughts?

'even without' does not seem to follow our group 3 indicator rules....

Ella can pass even without giving her presentation

Using Group 3 rules I came up with /pass --> give ppt

but that doesn't make any sense....what the sentence is really trying to say is not ( pass ---> ppt ) which amounts to pass and /ppt

very diff to mechanically following group 3 rules....

thinking harder about this and it doesn't matter whether it is without or even without group 3 logic doesn't hold nonetheless...

am i missing something here??

I have a meeting with my letter of rec writer tomorrow and I'm wondering what I need to bring re the insurrections on LSAC. Is there a form she needs to fill out?

Hi guys!

So usually I'm pretty good at timing but for some reason today I was off. How can you tell if you're spending too much time on a game? I'm usually good at telling if I'm spending too much time on a specific problem but I'm asking for a game in general. How much time is recommended for a harder game?

Thanks in advanced!

Has anyone taken this section before?

Luckily, I've been narrowed my LR score down to -2 ~ -3 per section in the 60s.

And I even had -1 on the first LR section of PT 67. But, I somehow got close to -10 or so on the second part of the LR.

This section doesn't really have many 5 star difficulty questions, but I found this section incredibily difficult.

Did anyone have similiar experience? How was your experience?

Thanks in advance! : )

Title^

Hello Folks,

I posted this in the powerscore forum as well, but it looks a little dead over there. I was hoping I might be able to pick someone's brain about a particular question.

Hello everyone,

I'm working on conditional reasoning. Overall, I find using my intuition works 80% of the time, but sometimes I'm going to need to use the techniques discuss in Powerscore Logical Reasoning Bible Chapter 6 in order to maximize my score.

So, my question stems from question 2 of chapter 6 on page 171. The question is:

Admin Edit: Please don't post LSAT materials. LSAC owns a copyright on this and posting is a violation of the copyright. For reference, I believe this is from PT 31 Section 3 Number 22.

So, when I use my intuition, I get answer E. But I am practicing my conditional reasoning, and I am not able to get that answer.

I managed to get the following:

NEOR: Nucleomorph is the remains of an engulfed organism's nucleus

SVG: Single version of the gene

(I use slashed /// in order to designate "not")

/NEOR ------> SVG

and the contrapositive

/SVG -------> NEOR

Which, in the book is generally correct. However, the book then suggests that because:

Premise 1: /NEOR --------> SVG (I understand this as noted above)

Premise 2: /SVG

Conclusion: NEOR

And then somehow, to my bafflment, they come up with the statement that:

SVG ------> /NEOR (This is neither the contrapositive or the replication of the original conditional reasoning as it appears in the last sentence. In fact, it simply looks like a Mistaken Reveral to me.)

I am NOT understanding how they build this conditional reasoning argument. Indeed, my only clue is that maybe a premise=sufficient condition and that a conclusion=necessary condition that maybe this is how they ended up doing it? But my searches online don't show this to be true.

Additionally, answer choice E does not have any conditional indicators, making it difficult to decide what is the necessary and sufficient condition for choosing your answer. Are there any resources out there that help with doing this? Could I ask anyone for a little help? Thanks a tonne!!!

I am having so much trouble getting more than half of In/Out game questions right. I have a moderate grasp on conditional rules and when they trigger or fail, but I’m so slow at In/Out games because I can’t set the rules up well because I get thrown off by “not both” rules. I’m taking the December 2 LSAT, so I don’t have time to pay for and go through the course on here. Any advice on how to nail this type of game?

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have a method for memorizing Valid Args? I know #1-#6, But I’m struggling with #7-#9. Feel free to share. Open to suggestions. Thanks!

Hey 7sagers,

I have started to focus on doing individual untimed/timed sections and question type drilling to tackle Logical Reasoning.

I've saved PT 50~80+ for full time PT's and dedicated PT 1~49 for drilling (QT+ Sections). More specifically, I have designated PT 1~20 for question type drilling and PT 21~49 for section drills.

I'm wondering if this is similar to how you guys are drilling LR.

If possible, could you also share at which point (after how many section drills/QT drills) you started to see improvement in the section?

I'm unsure how many sections I should be doing per week to gain stamina and develop a sense to do well on LR.

any help is appreciated!

Thank you!

Hi all,

In the explanation for this game board (https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/inout-game-2-game-board-setup/?ss_completed_lesson=17878), JY uses group 3 logical operator, unless, to translate the lawgic. I thought that he would use group 4, cannot. How do we know which logical operator to use when there are two in the sentence?

I’m taking the December LSAT and I’ve been scoring from 167-174 on my PTs. It’s a pretty wide range, so I’m hoping to get results that are more consistently in the 170s. What’s a realistic goal for improving my score in time for the LSAT? What should I be doing? I work full time, but I could take time off if that would make a difference in my score.