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Last comment friday, jul 17 2015

New problem sets

I'm not sure if this has been asked somewhere already but will there be video explanations for the new problem sets? Or will there not be any? I know I can go to other websites to read explanations for LR and all but I really like the video explanations that JY provides us with.

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Last comment thursday, jul 16 2015

Grow-Again Confusion

Can anybody help me understand question 15 from PT9, S4 included in the Strengthening Questions Problem Set 8? I felt completely blindsided by how answer C (The rebate, if offered, would not attract purchasers who otherwise might not use Grow-Again) strengthens the connection between the premises and the conclusion. Am I reading this right?

P1: Five drops daily [of a treatment for reversing male hereditary baldness] is the recommended dose

P2: exceeding this quantity [of five drops daily] does not increase the product's effectiveness

SC: *Therefore,* offering a manufacturer's rebate will not increase sales

C: *consequently,* offering a rebate would not be profitable

My first bit of confusion was over how the author jumped from the quantity and effectiveness of the dosage to a rebate increasing (or failing to increase) sales. Are we supposed to assume that had an increase in the dosage improved its effectiveness, then a rebate would have increased the sales? If not, what's the link between A (the premises) and B (the sub conclusion)?

My second area of puzzlement was over how the correct answer (according to the breakdown at the bottom of the Problem Set), which talks about purchasers who otherwise wouldn't use Grow-Again relates to a discussion of dosages, effectiveness, and profitability of rebates. Are the purchasers we're talking about men suffering from hereditary baldness who have chosen other products (in which case perhaps improving the effectiveness, or at least the perception of the effectiveness, might make a rebate more profitable)? Or are we talking about men who aren't suffering from hereditary baldness or women or cute bald babies or pink flamingoes who, obviously, would have no interest in the product to begin with, regardless of any sort of manufacturer's rebate?

In any case, what does any of this have to do with the information given as the premises? Strengthening questions are supposed to beef up the link between the premises and the conclusion, right? So shouldn't a correct answer for a strengthening question have *something* to do with both items? I was so confused by the stimulus to begin with that I chose answer D (Grow-Again is a product whose per-unit manufacturing cost does not fall significantly when the product is produced in large quantities) because it was the only thing I saw that seemed to give some sort of connection (albeit very, very tenuous) between the information about the quantity of the product mentioned in the premises and the cost/profitability mentioned in the sub-conclusion and conclusion.

Help!

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Last comment thursday, jul 16 2015

Nonpublished Test Center

So I just registered and paid my fees for the October test! I'm active duty military stationed in Okinawa. Any other 7Sagers out in Okinawa looking to take the test? One concern I had was whether or not different weight was given to test location. I'll be taking the test on base with a DoD proctor. Anyone have experience with how nonpublished test centers are viewed by schools or if they even know where you took the test? I called ASU which is where I'm hoping to attend. They said they'd never been asked that question so perhaps that isn't revealed...

Thanks :)

"Which one of the following most logically completes the passage?"

The Trainer puts these guys with inference questions, which totally makes sense.

The Bible puts these guys with identify the main point, which doesn't make sense at first. But, the question is, does this work? Is it "okay" to think about fill in the blank questions as identify the conclusion instead of inference. I feel like it makes the question seem less daunting and it works. In fact, I think it works better than the Trainer. Whereas a fill in the blank is only concerned with the conclusion, inference questions want anything that must be true in reference to any part of the passage.

Are there any ways this could be troubling that I am not considering?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-24-section-2-question-17/

This question was very confusing to me because I couldn't understand what assumption they could possibly be making.

I originally chose E. On BR, I chose E again. I chose E because of the statement "no nation should be required to assume the burden of enforcing a decision it found repugnant", so I thought the Council must have assumed E, "decisions reached by a majority of nations in response to threats to world peace would be biased in favor of one or more major powers." Because then there would always be a world power who didn't find some particular decision repugnant to enforce that decision.

But the correct answer is B. Of course, after learning the answer, I could make an explanation for why it worked: if there's a newcomer in the world powers club, then the burden of maintaining world peace would no longer rest on the world's major powers (only some of them), which goes against the intentions of the Council.

I'm still unsteady on this question.

Surprisingly I am very strong in LR sections and I almost always get these right. The problem is I don't know why. Lol. Intuitively I guess I understand the question stem well but I feel as if I do not even after getting it right. I think I am confused about how I am using the flaw to derive at the correct answer.

When answering these questions I read the stem first, identify conclusion and support and then the flaw. But I don't think I actually use the flaw to get the right answer unless I am doing so sub-consciously. Is a strengthening question simply a matter of making the flaw "work" in the argument so that the conclusion of that argument is valid or more likely to be valid?

In weakening, it is the reverse so is it a matter of exposing the flaw and using it to make the "holes" in argument more noticeable so that the conclusion is invalid or less valid?

I guess I shouldn't freak out since I only get one or two wrong. But I am using the trainer and trying my best to incorporate Mike's train of thought to avoid loopholes in my fundamentals later.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-18-section-4-question-14/

At first, I thought the answer might be (D) since before I saw the answer choices I noticed that there is a problem in assuming that atmospheric ozone levels are equal in every global region. So I expected that the answer must be something like the ozone levels are getting higher in polar region and lower in other regions so that global ozone levels are remaining constant.

However, the answer choice (D) is exactly opposite to my expectation, saying that ozone levels are increasing in other regions and decreasing in polar region. But can this undermine the government official's dismiss on the concern that "polar" marine life is damaged? If ozone level in polar region is decreasing since quantity of ozone is shifting away from the polar cap (as (D) says), there would be no harm to polar marine life.

Or did I wrongly catch the argument of the government officials? Is the argument of the gov't official simply that protective ozone layer over the Antarctic is not decreasing?

I'm currently enrolled in the premium course and just finished the "Hard Reading Comprehension" section. Before some problem sets were taken down a few days ago there was a problem set entitled ""Hard Reading Comprehension Problem Set"" that was at the end of the section, but with the new changes it's no longer there and I can't view the answers videos. These questions look like they came from PrepTest35 which is not an option I can get from the addons page.

I did a search for these problem sets and can see that there's a "Hard Reading Comprehension Problem Set Series that's locked.....does that mean I can't view these anymore unless I upgrade my course? Anybody know where I can find the video answers to these questions?

I've found that sometimes it really matters what order you apply the rules when going thru individual questions in the LG sections. Apply the right rule fist and an inference pops up that causes you to be able to trigger or make irrelevant another rule. However, if you go thru the rules in a suboptimal order, then you sometimes have incomplete inferences that don't let you fully "spend" a rule, and you have to come back to that rule a second time...

Does anyone have any guidance for the best order to begin applying rules in rule driven games? Usually in the games, JY always seems to apply rules in the perfect order but during a pressured exam, it's not always clear to me which rules I should be going thru first.

Logic games are 2 pages per game now, with the first page being occupied by the game rules, etc and the first question. The second page contains the vast majority of questions per game (usually at around 6 questions). Now, before starting those questions, one has to draw the game board. But on which page? Drawing it on page 1 not only gives you ample space but would allow your diagramming to be very close to the written rules themselves, perhaps ensuring more accuracy in diagramming. Drawing it on page 2 however, allows the game board to be near the bulk of the questions with less page-flipping and eye-scanning, ensuring greater accuracy in the questions.

So on which page do you draw your game board? Personally, (and this is going to sound somewhat ridiculous) I've begun folding the first page in half vertically and drawing on page 2. This allows me to be near the written game rules and draw on page 2 at the same time. Do you think my technique is stupid? Is there a more efficient (and accurate) way to do this?

Hello all,

I'm fairly new to the forums and I have just learned about the MM and BR.

I have recently applied the MM to a RC section (pre-test 29) and followed all the directions carefully (e.g. 3.5 minutes reading, 1.5 min memory, etc.). In addition, I've applied the BR after I've completed the RC section in order to gain further insights to errors I have made while using the MM. My results in the MM were low (12/27) and I didn't have a chance to tackle 10 questions due to timing. After the MM, I started to BR and my results only improved by one (13/27). I took my time, tried to justify my answer and reasoning behind it, etc.

I noticed that there wasn't much improvement. This the first time I have used these methods and was wondering if these results are normal after the first application? Am I approaching the questions wrong? Am I have trouble understanding the questions? Does time play a huge factor?

I'd also like to note that when I do RC untimed I usually get around 75-80% right. What do you folks think?

Feedback is much appreciated! :)

Hi All!

For those who work full-time and study before/after/during (lol) work, I'm curious: How many PTs do you take per week and how do you schedule them?

I've been studying since January, finished the course in about March but have only taken about 10 PTs. I'm only able to take 1/week (usually on a Saturday) because I find myself unable to concentrate after a long day at work. I once took a PT on a Friday after work and my goodness, it was AWFUL.

I'm taking the October test and would really like to manage my time for PTs in the best way possible. Any tips?

Thanks!

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Last comment wednesday, jul 08 2015

Mastery Practice Material?

First time poster, longtime lurker.

I took the June 2015 LSAT and I did well, but I really have my heart set on a T14 and I need to raise my score about 5-10 points. The first time around, one of my friends was nice enough to give me study books she never used, and they had mastery sections which were good for just doing one off timed sections -- I burnt through those for LG and LR.

What do others use for this? When you don't have time to take a full PT but want to just keep a certain section in check. I don't want to burn through PT because I need to save some for right before the Oct. test (I already took 52-71 during my June prep). Is there even anything to combat this issue?

My games are great, usually minus one per section, but I want to make sure I am doing timed sections at least once a week to keep myself fresh -- again, but not burn through PT.

Appreciate any advice!

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if somebody would be able to provide their thought process on how to best attack this question. I was not sure how to even start it, but was able to get the correct answer choice on the other 4 questions on the problem set using more intuition and POE.. I see some progress, but still have lots of work to do!

I came to the conclusion/my thought process was that AC's: B,C, and D really did not have anything to do with the QS, and did not choose A because it was talking about private funding - which I didn't understand where that should/would fit into the AC?

Thank you.

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Last comment wednesday, jul 08 2015

Re-reading Game Rules

I read an article on LSAT HACKS making the case to re-read the rules 4 times as per the below guidelines:

1] To understand the game.

2] To draw.

3] To check for mistakes and look for deductions.

4] To eliminate answers on the first question. (if it’s an “acceptable order” question)

Just curious what everyone here thinks of this advice? This isn't JY's method of course (and I definitely prefer JY's method) but I'm curious as to the merit behind the concept of rereading. I personally read through and diagram at the same time, and I don't check for errors (I also don't edit my essays because I like to live life on the edge LOL) but seriously what are your thoughts on rereading rules? Do you do it? Why or why not?

So I've been studying for the LSAT since about February, only really studying in earnest since April. I have the premium course but I am still only 80% done on the core curriculum! I really hoped I could get through the core curriculum by the end of June but have been experiencing waning motivation these last few weeks and haven't been hitting the books as hard. I work full time, try to work out 3-5x a week, cook for myself, all that general life stuff gets in the way. I aim to study about 15-20 hours a week, in reality it's 15 in a good week and more like 10 hours per week on average. I'm also struggling because sometimes it says it'll only take 20 minutes for a logic problem set but it takes me 2+ hours to drill and review that one set 10x like JY says we need to!

I know this topic has been covered a little but but just wanted to hear others weigh in on what works for them. I absolutely cannot wake up earlier for the life of me, so I have been trying to stay late at my office after 5pm and study from 5-9 where there's no distractions. So I get home at 10. That seems to work except it leaves me feeling absolutely exhausted and very burnt out by Friday, and I usually have to get take out or something for dinner those nights. I've also been fairly successful at working out during my lunch break which has helped with the time management somewhat.

Also with just these last three months before October, can anyone suggest what I should really be focusing on? Would you suggest I just try to fast track through these last 20% of the core curriculum and start PTing as soon as possible? I've worked out I could probably do 2 PT's per week during the summer. I've also taken a few days off work here and there on Fridays to try to get more 3 day weekends this summer to allow for studying. I am aiming for a 170, my diagnostic was a 153... Any tips at all is helpful.. or perhaps some commiseration! Lol! Good luck everyone!

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Last comment monday, jul 06 2015

7Sage or Trainer for LR?

Hey guys,

I was just looking for some advice on improving my LR scores.

I'm studying for the October test and just found out about 7Sage about a week ago. I've already gone through a few of the LG video explanations and found them really helpful, but I'm more worried about my scores on LR. I started studying with the Trainer about a month and a half ago and I've done a few PTs but my LR scores are barely improving (whereas I feel as though I'm getting a pretty good grasp on RC and LG between the Trainer and the 7Sage LG videos I've seen so far). To anyone who has used both the Trainer and 7Sage for LR, would you recommend 7Sage for LR? I've gone through the curriculum for the Starter course and it seems really thorough, but I'm just wondering whether it covers pretty much the same information as the Trainer - do I just need to spend more time with the strategies I've learned from the Trainer, or does 7Sage teach different methods for LR that can help me?

Thanks in advance for your help!

I have been studying for the LSAT for roughly 1 year, and I recently re-took the June administration of the LSAT (canceled first exam). For June, I scored 5 points below my monthly PT average leading up to the exam. This definitely put my numbers off target for the group of schools I was hoping to apply to.

I have taken, all told, 43 fresh practice exams, complete with BR (all but 4 exams taken after PT 36). I have also gone through the entire 7sage curriculum, plus powerscore curriculum I started with. I simulate conditions on practice PTs (usually take tests after hours in my office with timed proctor), and deliberately go through every question on my BRs. One frustrating aspect of my practice was consistency. I saw wild 10 point fluctuations in score on fresh PT exams, even adjusting for relative difficulty of exams over time.

I am wondering if there is value in further study and a retake. Given the amount of material I have covered, is more study going to amount to banging my head against the wall? Are there new ways I can try to study that, at this point, make further study a good idea?

I value your opinions, 7sagers, thanks in advance if you have any advice!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-1-question-06/

I understand why the answer (D) is correct, but not sure why the answer choice (C) is incorrect. Is it because the answer choice makes an assumption that natural nesting sites will be less crowded than the nesting boxes? I thought this can be a logical conclusion from the passage rather than just assumption. Please explain me why (D) is a better answer choice than (C).

Hi,

A newbie here. I am really, really slow at reading RCs and LRs and I can never finish them timed and have a good deal of questions unanswered ( like about 9-10 per section). Since I am like really slow, how do I get faster with time? I know it is hard to get fast and good at these sections but any specific tips that you guys think are good/ have worked for you/worked for others etc. could be helpful for me. I really don't have a lot of ideas about this.

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