Just wanted to clarify something. For both rules in in out games are we able to make the inference that one of the two items has to be in the 'in' group and one in the out group?

Does the same curve apply to the regular and sabbath observer test or do they get their own? I guess it would make more sense for them to each get their own right?

Hello All,

I just wanted to know if there is anyone else out there who is really struggling with even the simplest of logic games? I just started the logic games portion of the course but I am having a hard time even making the smallest inferences in logic games. This is making me feel really hopeless since I know they only get harder. Is there a section that most people just dont do good at? Is it possible to still score around the 160s if your logic games skills are not there? I am trying to keep hopeful because I dramatically increased my understanding on logical reasoning and reading comprehension using 7sage but my brain is just not working with these logic games.

Any advice or personal experience with drastically increasing your logic games skills would be appreciated! Thanks in advance!!

So, I took a course called nextstep prep (private tutor) which was okay for the most part, and I had planned on taking the Feb 2015 exam but seeing that its 6weeks away, that's obviously not going to happen. Now, I'm thinking about taking the exam in June 2015 and using 7Sage as my guide, what do you all think?

I have been studying for the lsat over a month now and just thought I'd seek out a studybuddy for the Feb 2015 exam.

I've been prepping since September for the Feb. 2015 test using the 7Sage curriculum. My original diagnostic was a 150. I've taken 15 PT's now (36-49 & June. 2007), ranging from 150-164 with avg. around 157, but I've been hitting 159-162 lately, and I just got a 156 on PT 49. I'm only 2 months out and I'm just getting concerned that I won't be able to get the score I want (high 160s-170) with the current methods I'm using and I need some reassurance. I've done BR with every test, and reviewed what's wrong as diligently as I could. I guess I'm also wondering if this is a typical (loose term) trajectory for high-scorers around this time in prep. Or maybe PT 49 was just harder.

I've been studying while in school (light schedule) and will have about 6 weeks free over the holidays to prepare. I didn't complete the whole 7sage curriculum, just really got a foundation. I'm just trying to realistically decide whether or not I should take the Feb. test. Thanks in advance!

Hey guys,

So after going through various timed sections of LR i'm noticing that i'm not getting to every question but even when i do BR i'm only getting like 20/25 alot of the times. I'm wondering besides reviewing explanations for that question, is there a way to increase accuracy on LR? I've read on the forum that doing drills works, i have sets of extra practice problems that are grouped by the question types, so i can use those. I'm just wondering, how much questions should I be doing when drilling? Should I be timing it?

Did anyone else thought testmasters sucked? I honestly learned majority of my logic game techniques from 7sage videos...thank God for 7sage free YouTube videos.

Hey guys, I know this is early considering that we just took the test. BUT, what do you guys think the December curve will be?! Can we expect the usual generous December curve?!

I cannot wait 3 weeks for my score. The uncertainty is killing me!

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME YOUR SCHEDULE FOR STUDYING. I have studied since July and I'm still in 150s I feel like I have studied the wrong way...I have been doing the BR lately which I guess is a little helpful. What am I suppose to do ugh I'm getting lost. I was with Test masters before I think they suck

Hi all lovely 7 sagers, just want to write down some reflections I feel for this just finished LSAT and see if anyone, particularly if the 7 Sage instructors can have some feedback and suggestions to improve. I am definitely going to take the Feb test and I guess even it is a late test for the 2015 admission cycle, it won't hurt my application if it's a higher score. Well, anyway, here is what I feel did not do well during the real exam and want to find some solutions:

For LR: I am not really a fast reader, so when I am doing the PT test, I can just finish all the questions on time and no time to go back to questions and such. And I guess I need to improve my speed for Feb test. Yet from this Dec test, I got a feeling that, when I attempted to do it fast, I lost track of my certainty for my answers, for example I take a quick scan of the answer choices and see one seems to fit and move on, without the elimination process....or at least double check that I get a right answer. Meanwhile, I feel that during a real exam situation, there is certain psycho that I need to do it fast, and in this way when I am feeling not so certain between two answers, I tend to choose either one, and get the "WHATEVER" feeling and move on. I think JY talked about this scenario in Blind Review session. But it would be really helpful if there is any suggestions to practice how to develop a right "first intuition" towards the answer and know for sure that we choose a right one?!

For LG: I am in general good at it, but I think I didn't do very well on this one. I get a little stocked during game 3 so rushed through game 4 and guessed lots of answers :(

A general feeling is that, for LG, it's like solving high sch math, you get it and you get it; you don't get it, then very unlikely, you can figure the problem out quickly during a panic testing period.

Also, I learned from my PT practice experience that, for LG it is so easy to make some "careless" mistake.

So anyone have good suggestions for 1, avoid "stocking" scenario for LG; 2, never give "careless" a chance to induce you make mistakes in games (haha:)

* I know the answer is constant practice and know very clearly of the foundational diagrams, but just want to know every body's experience and if one has suggestions.

For RC: I feel the RC section of PT74 (^_^) is somewhat OK; I am not very good at pure science article and so thankful that the science article here is not really science, but somehow law-related. I am generally not very good at RC, but improve during the last few weeks by strictly following JY's practice method to hone short term memory. So for any PT RC section, when I am doing the blind review, I read it again, do the summaries for each paragraph, then do a quick scan of the passage (re-read, but with much better idea of the structure and argument), think about MP, then re-do all questions (as quickly as I can); then I watch video explanation from JY. Then analyze each questions myself, esp for the wrong choices, I study throughly and know why I choose a wrong one. This is time consuming but helpful. Would be happy to know if anyone else have better RC study strategy to share.

All right, good luck to all potential class of 2018 law students :) Thank you if you have suggestions!

Are there only two orders for the test sections or could there be more variations? I had LG-LR-LG-LR-RC, so it's obvious that I had LG as an experimental section, while others had RC, LR, LG, LR, RC. But could someone else with LG as an experimental section have, say, RC, LG, LR, LG, LR? I'm trying to figure out whether section 1 or section 3 was experimental in my case, because I left three or four blank at the end of section 1 so I'm really hoping it didn't count. I had thought we'd get a 1 minute warning during which I would have made sure *something* was bubbled in, but all of the sudden we were told to drop our pencils.

IDK about other people - but completing 2 RC sections is a BEAST....

After the first one - you're kind of relieved, but then hopes are dashed when the 2nd one pops up (and that section happens to be the REAL section)....

Anyone agree or is it really a pick your poison kind of thing?

What is the opinion of 7Sagers and taking the FEB LSAT for the fall semester admission. I'm thinking that I didn't do as well as I would have liked and plan on taking the FEB test unless a higher than anticipated score is received. Ive noticed that Law school preparation organizations have completely different advice while surfing the net. BLUF(bottom line up front): Is it really harder to get into schools if they accept later applications? How do two back to back tests look to admission councils? Is it wise to apply to some with DEC scores and others with FEB scores? Whatchy'all think?

Do any Dec test takers seriously consider retaking in Feb?

I'm kinda determined to retake unless I get a 170+ this December, which is somewhat unlikely though I'm still hoping that...

I think I'm fully prepared but didn't perform well yesterday. I bombed the last game... Feb will be my third take...

I already have one and half years' gap after my master's degree... so Definitely don't want to wait for another year. I have the capacity to score in the high 170s range (before BR) and really need to translate it into an official score even though I'll have to take the test for the 3rd time!

Let's wait for the December score first. But let me know if you are on the same boat. I'm hoping for a kickass final score.

I'm in the DC area. I hope to have an ambitious study buddy I could meet in person to discuss questions, passages, practice strategies, and more importantly, the mental battle!

my email: xw73@georgetown.edu

I scored 157 on my first diagnostic 3 months ago (prep 25) (not totally cold because i did study a bit 2 years ago but decided to get a master first). I've spent 3 months, studying non-stop (no work, up to 50 hours a week some times). My score staying pretty much the same (with one pt a low 150s for prep 59 and highest 163). My LG improved a bit from -11 to -5 on average. My LR and RC are getting worse. I used to get -5 on RC, now is around -8 to -10. My LR used to be -10 to -12 at the beginning and now is like -20 to -23. I took the dec test today and ended up canceling the test, because of the RC and LG. I am going to spend 6 more months to prepare for the june 2015. People that I know have improved their score 5-10 points with full-time jobs. I don't get what went wrong with my study. I did a lot of drilling in the cambridge package for LR. But under time condition, the techniques I learnt for LR and RC often conflict with my instincts.

I still have preps 46-73 fresh (except 59, 72, 57, 62), about 24 prep tests. I used lots of other tests for individual sections. I have taken about 10 full-time practice tests so far. How should I utilize those tests in the next 6 months to maximize my score? What should I do to improve my LR and RC scores? I feel like I do have a potential to hit 170 but don't know where I actually went wrong. I studied the most for LR and LG for past months. If anyone experienced the same thing but managed to overcome that difficulty, I am happy if anyone can share their experience. I would appreciate.

Of those who took the London LSAT (or Europe, I think they are the same test), I would appreciate if someone could help me figure out what section was experimental. I had two logic games sections, so someone who only had one should be able to help. Email me: discreetmystic@gmail.com

I gear people saying if you find the pattern in LR your score will increase. What the hell? What pattern?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-18-section-2-question-08/

Can anyone please explain why the correct answer is (E)? I am confused with the part in (E) saying: "if they are weaponry..."

How do we know that if they are weaponry, then they aren't available in households?

Thank you so much for your help

Does anyone know how long the test will take? Adding the sections plus break and including an extra half hour padding brings me to 4 hours, but the lsat admission ticket instructions talk about a length of up to 7 hours...how do I have to understand that? I have somewhere to be...daughter's theater performance at 3 pm...

Here we go.

Hey guys! I'm dreading that one oddball LG and am terrified that under pressure I'll freeze up and not even know how to start diagramming. I was wondering if anyone has a strategy or some pointers for what to do when you realize that the scenario doesn't fit into any of our standard set ups?

Hi everyone who will take the test tomorrow. I learned something really valuable that I need to share, that, I think, might help you have the cool and collected mindset we will need tomorrow. I was freaking out about not hitting my target score every practice test and sometimes running out of time still. I saw this test as 'succeed and have a great life' or 'don't succeed and have a terrible life in which i feel stupid.' As you can probably tell that approach would have ruined it for me.

Yesterday my 10 year old daughter had an audition for Les Miz and she rocked it. She got called back for Little Cosette and Gavroche. The audition is tomorrow morning while Im sitting taking the LSAT.

There is more to life than your score, and this exam will mean nothing very soon. My daughter getting that callback after we prepared as much as we could will always hold significance in my life and I will never forget yesterday that started with seeing a rainbow on the way to drop her off at school. The rest is history.

I refocused and am now ready for tomorrow. I will always be thankful for my four children who helped me to not overdo the studying and who help me to put things into perspective. Rock the LSAT tomorrow! Hugs and good vibes to you all!

I have not been studying all too hard the last two weeks to try and stay relaxed. I've just been doing some sections and reviewing, focusing mostly on logic games. Should I continue this day before or allow my mind to rest?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-71-section-1-question-03/

Had trouble understanding what "on balance" meant here. I interpreted it as "in moderation" so, to me, the conclusion was alcohol consumption, in moderation, is beneficial. Could someone enlighten me real quick on this?