Hello all!

I am coming close to getting where I want to on my test after many trials and tribulations. I want to drill the top 3, or top 4 question types that I am missing on the LR questions over the next two weeks. The question types are flaw, MSS, NA, and PSA. I was wondering what were the best resources out there for this type of drilling. I looked at amazon and there were so many different books to choose from I wasn't sure which to pick! Thanks!

Can you please help me decide on whom to ask for LOR?

I graduated undergrad 2012, went to graduate school, graduated 2013. Since then I have been working for three-four years.

I am now trying to go to law school and have been thinking of my LORs. My potential LOR Candidates are

My former supervisor whom I interned for during my undergrad years. He has great credentials and I am very close to him. Have been keeping in touch for a long time, so definitely easiest to ask for recommendation and I have no doubt that he can write me a great recommendation. Now, potential issues I have with this LOR is that 1) he is not my professor and 2) I interned for him, so this was very long ago, so I don’t know what the admission committee might think of that.

My current supervisor from a non-profit organization that I am involved in. I don’t think I can get a LOR from my main job because I can’t let the company know that I am applying to law school. However, I have been involved in this non-profit organization for as many years I have been working. It is not my primary occupation, but could even be more relevant to law school because I do more writing for this job than my primary job. My primary occupation is quantitative research, dealing with numbers and computer modeling. Now, the only issue I have with this LOR is that it is not from my main job.

A professor from my school years. Couldn’t really think of professors who would write me a good recommendation because 1) I went to a really big school 2) my major was engineering so most of the classes I took were exam oriented, requiring minimal interaction between students and professors. Fortunately, for this professor, I took his class and even became his TA. So he can probably write me a good recommendation. My issues with this LOR is that 1) I haven’t been in touch since I graduated, which was four years ago. 2) This class is a project/presentation class so I don’t know if my professor can write me the kind of recommendation that law schools are looking for. Also, maybe he will write a “meh” recommendation. Who knows what he will do whereas LOR 1) and 2), I can 100 percent guarantee that I will get really good LORs.

Now, I have been reading a lot about how an academic LOR is a must for law schools. But as you can see, I feel like I can get better recommendations from non-academic sources. So if I can get some feedback on which LORs I should get, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks a lot

Hey yall (from Texas),

I am registered for the September LSAT, but I am wondering what yall think about pushing

I am doing 0 LG and -1 to -3 on RC. However, for LR I range from 0/-1 to -5/-6 but usually -3 each section. Therefore, I am ranging from 168 to 174ish. The variance I mostly attribute to time on LR. I get done with my round 1 with only about 2 minutes usually. My blind review is almost always 176-178, and I don't see any major trends as far as missing question types. My thesis is that I have the fundamentals--my variance is due to speed.

However, I have been out of school for four years now, so I work all day and then come home and study. I don't feel like I have the time necessary to get more time on LR sections before the September test to get more consistency on each LR section. I am most concerned about the range I am seeing. I know I am fully capable of mid 170s (and I don't see the point of pushing up into my theoretical maximum). BUT I don't want to score in the 160s just because I went too slow on one LR section or had a bad day.

I always hear it is better to apply earlier rather than later for T14 schools because of scholarships. However, would it be better for me to foolproof LR and get a 173ish in December or have a bad day and get a 168ish in December??

Also, tips on improving speed? I am already videoing my LR takes. A friend recommended using an interval timer and doing questions from the question bank at a level 1 difficulty in under 40 seconds, level 2 50 seconds, level 3 65 seconds, level 4/5: 80 seconds but then forcing myself to skip if I take longer than the limit to train myself to take the appropriate amount of time on each question difficulty type. Thoughts?

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What are law schools looking for in a LOR?

My professors told me to figure out the academic and non-academic traits I would like to include in the LOR and then they will tell me if they could write it for me. What would be traits that catches law school admissions' eye when they read my LORs?

Thank you!

Are there many things more dangerous on this test than a Sufficient Assumption answer choice in a Necessary Assumption question? It's like trying to distinguish a blueberry from something that looks like a blueberry but is poisonous. Not to mention we've only got 30 seconds to do it and if we fail, the effects of the poison compound for years.

I feel like I've got to be like Michael Jordan on the clutch...17 seconds to go in a 62-61 game and sinking the jump shot with confidence, every time. Should I prepare before hand so I'm ready for the situation? Or should I not think about it so when the time comes I'm relaxed? You know what, I'll meditate on it. I'll practice my mindfulness for the performance after I tune my brain to distinguish the strength of arguments floating in the ether that aren't made in the conversation.

If anyone tells me this test won't prepare me for law school, I will likely question their sensibility. For ((-- premise indicator) this is a mental transition. (em)Although ((--- conceding a point that probably doesn't matter) this isn't teaching me about torts, you bet I'm going to read those books quicker, with greater scrutiny, tact, and anticipation. And much later on when I'm helping my clients defend themselves, you bet I'm going to drive my opponents to the ground with their assumptions.(/p)

Alright, 7Sagers. I asked for help on LG and got some great advice and improved vastly. Now we have almost two weeks until the Sept LSAT and my LR needs some serious help. I am currently in phase 2 of the process, where I tend to do much better in BR than in timed test conditions. I am currently intensively reviewing the CC and have used the analytics to identify which areas are my most common issues. I tend to eliminate the 3 most obvious wrong answers almost immediately, but then I choose the wrong answer between the 2 left over maybe half the time. Pseudo/Sufficient Assumption, Parallel Method of Reasoning, and some of those higher level analytical questions I struggle with most consistently. Any tips? Support? Suggested therapists???

Hey all,

So I do poorly on my first two sections of my test but then get better and more focused on the last two.

Anyone else have this problem and how to solve it??

Thanks

Good morning 7Sage, I am back - as always - to ask some advice from everyone. Let me start by showing a break down of my last 5 PT's numbers.

PT C2: -6 RC, -7 LR, -1LG 166

PT 76: -6 RC, -7 LR, -1LG 169

PT 74: -9 RC, -6 LR, -1LG 167

PT 81: -4 RC, -12 LR, -2 LG 164 (wtf happened here..)

PT 66: -7 RC, -4 LR, -1 LG 169

Average: 167

Okay. This is where I am at currently.

1.) LR needs work. I miss Flaw and harder NA questions fairly often. In-between PT 81 and 66 I went back and reviewed ALL the fundamental basics for each LR question type. I was able to bring the score from -12 total to -4. What happened here? Why was a basic review necessary? How do I retain that level of LR proficiency so I don't lose it again? Prior to my review of the basics I completely forgot how to do MSS questions.

2.) LG - I don't know how the LSAC does it, but that one point is sloppy. I just can't get rid of it though. It follows me around like a lost puppy. It can be any type of question but typically it's;

or a "could be true" where I don't accurately read the question.

3.) RC - I have good days and I have bad days. I average a -6 in this section. The biggest thing here is I still don't feel like I have a solid strategy. I know this is the hardest section to improve, but I hate feeling like I am winging it. I have now done some of the RC portion of 7Sage and read more in the Trainer/Bible. I have found reading for structure helps a lot, but I still struggle with inferences. I just don't have the right mindset for what can be inferred from the passages.

I'm sorry this post is super personalized but this community is the only one I trust for advice. I need opinions on what people think is going on. I'm at the brink of pushing into the 170's and on a REALLY good day I can break it. I've scored as high as a 175 before. I'm just stuck at this final plateau and can't seem to budge!

I am wondering if anyone would have any advice for choosing the right answer for these questions. This used to be a question type that went well for me but lately it seems like I keep getting them wrong. Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, how did go about answering these question types correctly again? Any general strategies for this question type would be really helpful. Thank you!

So I just took it and completely bombed it. I found LR to be extremely difficult and it is a strong section for me.

Anyone think this PT sucked or am I the only one?

edit: I got a 166 on it and went -2 on LR1 and -8 on LR2. This has not happened to me in a very long time. Maybe I was just not very focused, idk, it's worrying me though with the Sept LSAT right around the corner.

So iv done hundreds upon hundreds of LR questions and i still dont have an answer for this. What does LSAC consider acceptable outside knowledge. What can i assume?

What would be the correct way to diagram this?

A->B->C

Or

(A->B)->C

Hey everyone,

I'm thankful and happy to say after my June sitting (162), my average for PT's has improved.

I've taken 46, 47, 55, 58, 60, 61 and have averaged 169 (as high as 172).

I'm around my goal (170 would be nice), and I'd like to take more PT's in the 70s before September's sitting.

I have PTs 48-54,56-57, 59, 69, 71, 72, 74, 76, 78 remaining.

I'm going to take 4 more PT's before the 16th.

Keeping in mind of a possible retake in December, I'd like to save some newer PT's.

Should I take as many modern PT's before September as possible, or should I save some?

I'm thinking I'll do 59, 69, 72, 76... Or 69, 71, 72, 74.

Thanks for the advice.

Hey guys, I'm having trouble finding which lesson what I wrote in my notes is from. I have:

Tuesday->rain->sad

= if tuesday, it will rain, and it will be sad

Vs.

Tuesday-> (rain->sad)

= on tuesday, if it rains, its sad

I want to review this, but I can't find the lesson... does anyone know?

Thanks!!!

Hey All,

So I have an issue regarding this question and would love some input.

P1: Cholesterol is a known factor in coronary heart disease and stroke.

P2: Cholesterol needs a carrier, known as lipoprotein to transport it through the bloodstream.

P3: Low-density lipoproteins (LDLs) increase the risk of coronary heart disease and stroke.

P4: Aerobics exercise increases ones high-density lipoproteins (HDL).

P5: HDL levels are higher in women than in men.

P6: Both aerobic exercise and being female are positively correlated with lower risk of coronary heart disease and stroke.

C: Therefore, we can tentatively conclude that HDLs help prevent coronary heart disease and stroke.

Humor me for a moment. If I told you that "Food is a known factor in obesity", what can we logically infer from that? That food plays some sort of role in obesity. We cannot say that the lack of food, surplus of food, or type of food is the problem because we don't know more than the fact that food is a relevant component to this condition. We would need to bring in our outside knowledge of obesity to know that it's typically the surplus of food that is the contributing factor. This reasoning is what is going on in my head during this question, and is why A was so attractive to me.

A- I chose A because the argument never said that the presence of cholesterol is a contributing factor in coronary heart disease and stroke. P1 says that it is a factor, but without allowing outside knowledge into our reasoning, based on just the information we are given, we can only really conclude that cholesterol plays some sort of role. Maybe that role is that high cholesterol contributes to coronary heart disease and stroke, or maybe its that low cholesterol does? Or maybe only certain types do? I figured this question was playing on our outside knowledge of cholesterol, because the argument that we are given never says that high cholesterol is what is bad. It just says cholesterol in general is some sort of factor. P1 would need to say something like "Cholesterol is a known contributor in coronary heart disease and stroke." Or even "High cholesterol is a known factor..." would be better.

(Outside info- HDLs are considered good cholesterol. So why would excreting good cholesterol from the body necessarily be a good thing? I'm sure there is a scientifically sound answer to this but, in terms of the LSAT, what's relevant is the major assumption here.)

B- I didn't have a problem eliminating B

C- I see why this is the correct answer...I just couldn't quite come to terms with A.

D- I didn't have a problem eliminating D.

E- I didn't have a problem eliminating E.

Thanks in advance.

Hi everyone,

I have been drilling the games and I am currently working on spatial games. I don't know if this has helped anyone, but this trick certainly has helped me. I started doing subscripts on my game board. For example, if we are trying to place lions or tigers on the game board (like the game in PT16), I spent a little more time in the beginning to do that. I was careful to make sure that my game board wasn't too messy. The questions were super easy and I got the game right and with high confidence. Just wanted to let everyone know in case this trick helps others too! :)

I just started studying for the December exam with 7sage (I did take it once before tho) and will also start working on my PS, DS, resume and other components of the applications. Does anyone who works full-time have advice on how to balance the time I spend studying with app prep these next two months so it doesn't affect my LSAT prep? I won't get my score until Jan. 4th but I'd like to send my apps as early as possible.

ALSO, my GPA is just average (3.5) but I know my LSAT score reach a 165-170. Should I still send my apps without my score (or will they get automatically turned down due to my GPA?)

Thanks so much!

Of course this hurricane just decimated the city. My family and I are fine, my apartment and the surrounding area are under water but luckily i live on the third floor so none of my stuff is wet and i came to my parents house on the other side of the city that drains a little better.

Im scheduled to take the LSAT this September, and have been studying since December '16. Got an email from the LSAC and they said they'd make provisions regarding the LSAT due to my location (the university of houston) literally being under water.

Has anyone else had a catastrophic issue like this where the LSAC had to reschedule or change the location? If so, what are some of the things they do and the possibilities? One person told me they may move the test to San Antonio, which is 3 hours away from houston. If i have to go to San Antonio, I'm moving the test to December. Im not adding that stress of having to make that ridiculous commute for an already difficult test.

This whole ordeal has been stressful, my family and I have been stranded in our home since Friday. Still have power, food, and internet, a couple generators if needed, all of which is more than most have. And none of my stuff is ruined. Roads and highways are still flooded. My car is okay for now, its in our garage which has a little water but not high enough to harm my car. So for now, i still have transportation but theres more rain coming tomorrow so who knows.

Hi guys so since we are almost 2 weeks away before the sept lsat, I need serious advice. I have seen major improvements these past two months, however, it's not where I would like to be and I feel like if i go into the sept test I feel, I will not do my best. I would like a score between 163-165, however, the highest I have scored is a 163 with an average range between 157-160 and I believe you should be practicing a couple point above. So what do you guys think? I know the obvious answer would be to move it, I was just hesitant, whether to rewrite it twice or if it's always better to do better the first time around as I am hoping to apply this cycle.

I would think that both of these words would be written as "most" in formal logic. Is this correct? Or would generally just be "some"?

Hey everybody,

So i'm encountering a strange phenomenon in RC. First off, I've officially succeeded in getting a -0 in an RC passage. If anyone remembers my RC scores from before, you know this is a HUGE improvement. I believe I was landing in the -15 before. Now here is the issue, since i've now been able to get -0 several times i've started trying to do multiple passages in a row to improve stamina (untimed). As the passages go on, I just seem to be getting worst and worst and worst. My first passage is a -0 and by the last one i'm right back at a bad RC person. Has anyone else had issues with stamina before? Any tips/tricks/advice for building up my tolerance (lol) for RC and maintaining my performance?

Hey guys! If you're taking the LSAT and your account is inconveniently set to expire a few days before the test date, just email me (dillon@7sage.com) and I'll extend your account for free through the September test. (Make sure you include your 7Sage email!)

I can guarantee you that my inbox will fill up with these, so give me time to reply to them all. If your account expires by the time I get to your email, don't worry, I'll reactivate it for you. :)

For those of you who are expiring after, good luck on the LSAT! We here at 7Sage are rooting for you.

I am scheduled to take the September exam ( 18 days) for the 1st time. I have been having inconsistent PT's from 157-163 within the past 2 weeks. I've been taking 1/2 PT daily. My goal is at least 168 Maybe even 165. I'm debating whether I should reschedule for December or not. I'm weakest at RC missing sometimes 7/8. LR from 5-7 & LG from 0-3. Any advice?

So, this might not be benefiting this community overall... But I've been really wanting to talk about it for the sake of my sanity...

I finished my undergraduate in cello performance in 5 years---University of North Texas. For all of those years I received full tuition plus a little bit of stipend from school... I did well the first three semester but life took a turn for the worse beginning of my 4th semester... My parents business was beginning to fail and I had to jump in and help while trying to maintain the level of skill to keep my scholarship on stop of taking regular load of class work at school. I calculated the amount of time I spent practicing, working, studying, going to classes, rehearsing, and commuting, and it was around 70-80 hrs a week. Parents business eventually failed and I was failing courses left and right. GPA took a plunge from 3.5 to 2.5 (at my lowest). Got burnt out and horribly depressed. Bit the bullet HARD and raised my GPA to 3.2 but failed to meet my major professor's expectations(?) on cello so I ended up with a 2.99 instead of a 3.2 (I guess the more you do well, higher the expectation). Since last December, I have been introduced to the field of law by a family friend and saw that it wasn't IMPOSSIBLE to tread these waters. I got 154 for my diagnostics test in.... I think March? so that nudged me into proceeding with purchasing the Ultimate+ to really sink my mind into this world. Sorry, I tried to keep this as short as possible...

I'm not sure if I'm making any sense or not (I'm a bit drained from the level 4 weakening questions) but I was hoping to get some perspective on my chances at getting into a tier 2 law school? I mean I don't even ask for T-14... My DREAM is SMU Dedman and I think I can do it if I work hard to get at least a 162... or should I quit while I am 'ahead'?

I'm ready for the blows.