This survey is for minorities. Please PM answers to me. Thanks!

1. Why did you decide to apply to law school?

2. Were there any obstacles that you had to overcome in the application process, or prior to application?

3. How did you overcome those obstacles?

4. Do you have suggestions on how to eliminate those obstacles for future law school applicants?

5. Is there anything else that you think would be helpful to know?

Thanks!

Admin edit: Removed email to comply with forum rules. (Also I'm sure you don't want spambots, these threads are public.)

Hope everyone had a great Christmas weekend!

Quick question to those of you who had a chance to submit a general letter of recommendation to LSAC. I'm about to send an instruction to my recommenders on how to submit their letters etc and was wondering who they will need to address in the letter head. For example, should the address of the person / committee receiving this general letter should be that of LSAC as opposed to specific school?

Also, do you have any thoughts on not putting the date when the letter was written by the recommender? Given that these letters can stay on my record for the next 5 years and since I may be applying again after this admission cycle, I was wondering maybe I should ask the recommenders to omit the date in their letters... Really appreciate any thoughts you guys have on these questions and hope everyone has a great rest of the week :)

By no means, is this complete but some feedback would be great. My goal is to explain the night and day differences in my transcript between the first and second halves of my college education.

"I would like to explain the discrepancy between the first and the second half of my collegiate career.

When I started out in college, It was my first time away from home. I allowed myself to get caught up in the "experience" of being in college, rather than focusing on my studies. I was truly overwhelmed, I began to lean on alcohol and I quickly developed a problem."

Let me know what you think

Dear 7 Sagers,

I need to get your opinion on something. Recently I've been looking into Pre Law programs for the summer that are free of tuition for college students and am thinking about applying. However, from what I'm hearing, they aren't that important to getting into a law school and I could just work over the summer in the lab I work at instead. (I'm studying Bio)

Are these programs worth applying to? Theres few of them to begin with as to be expected. I'm taking the LSAT this Feb for the first time and want to make sure I have time to continue studying in the event I need to retake it in September this year.

Let me know what you think and thank you!

When the hell are these scores coming out. I have been holding my breath since the 4th of December and would really like to know how I did. Has anyone heard anything?

Hi All,

I had stumbled across a question which it needs to negate an universal statement. Is there a JY lesson on this? If so, it will be great if anyone can share the link.

If not, I had love anyone to talk about how to negate a universal statement.

Hello fellow 7Sagers,

Are my chances of admission at a T-14 law school affected if I have multiple LSAT scores (with the 1st being mediocre)? If so, is the effect positive or negative? And to what degree?

Thank you for your thoughtful responses.

I have been offered some very generous scholarships thanks to 7sage helping me improve my score by 12 points.

I was offered about 90% to a tier three school. Comes out to me paying about 7000 a year. I was then offered about 75% from a top 50 school, which comes out to me paying about 14,000 a year.

The tier three is in my state, which I will be practicing law. The top 50 school is in a neighboring state.

I need some advice.

I do not think I am interesting in Big Law, but possibly medium law.

I'm wondering if there is a different way to study that I should use because of my dyslexia? I was tested and diagnosed with dyslexia as a young child. I took extra tutoring and have learned to manage it fairly well. Most of my higher academic education I took online classes and would try to avoid timed tests. I can always get the answer, but I have to be able to process what I'm reading. I can't do that very well up against the clock. I don't necessarily want extra time on the test, but I am wondering if there is a way that I should study that will help me that is maybe different from what is normally done? Or maybe should I ask for extra time or whatever consideration that can be give on the test? I typically never have before, I've never wanted to make a big deal about it, and I've just found a way to work around my obstacles. However, with the LSAT that's hard to do. I don't want an unfair advantage, but this standardized test was not made for a brain like mine. I don't want to be judged based on a low LSAT score when I actually am very capable. Any tips or suggestions would be great.

I was hoping to get other people's opinion regarding your study plan for 7sage.

I started studying in July intensively mainly with Powerscore and Kaplan.I finished all of the Powerscore books and I took the Kaplan diagnostic as well as the midterm exam. But I realized that the curriculum wasn't solving the core fundamental problems that I had. I started 7Sage around August/September and realized that my failure to grasp the concepts went a lot deeper. But by that time school started and I started falling back on the core curriculum study schedule. I finished the core curriculum problems, but I don't feel ready to start PTing. I was PTing in the summer with Powerscore and Kaplan and just did not see a good enough improvement to feel that I should waste the exams when I still don't have a full grasp on the key concepts for games and logical reasoning. I have printed out about 10 times each game from the core curriculum of the logic games and have just been doing them throughout the week. While doing logical reasoning and Critical Reading on the side with time, but also BR after.

I was wondering if anyone else is sticking to the concepts of Logic Games and just hardcore drilling or if after the core curriculum you went straight to PTing.

I'm sure there are multiple ways to study and everyone studies depending on how fast they get the concepts, but I'm truly interested to know whats your study technique and where you feel you are at your weakest.

I know my biggest problem is concentrating on the material enough to actually absorb it and remember it specifically when its the hard passages. I tend to read a paragraph or passage or anything and it just doesn't seem to stick. Whether its logic games, logical reasoning, or critical thinking, I realized I am such a passive reader, that I don't challenge the material whatsoever and because I seem to just take the words for what they are it takes me a while to really retain and tackle the topic when it becomes more challenging. I realized before I can even tackle answering the question, I need to be truly conscientious and focus on remembering and understanding what is going on.

Am I the only one that woke up and checked LSAC before I looked under the tree? Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

So I've been prepping for the LSAT for quite some time now and the process has been very emotionally draining. I know I've spoken to many others who, like me, miss being able to do things without having to worry about LSAT in the back of their minds or even about how they're going to plan the next steps in their prep without messing it up, etc. Most days, I just feel sick and tired of this test. I'm drained. It's just feeling *done* with this exam and the ways its really started to effect the structure in my life.

I've seen a lot of others posting on this discussion board who by now have been working and simultaneously studying for several months (if not 1+ years) and I wonder: how do you do it? What motivates you to keep going? I've always been really good at doing well in school and having a great resume and performing well at work. I usually have a lot of endurance, but I can't help but sometimes feel like this test is really just something that keeps bringing me down.

I don't always feel like this, but there are some days where I can't even get myself to look at LSAT material. I can't get myself to feel happy about having to plan every element of my life around LSAT prep. I do it anyways, because I know that my score will pay off, but lately it's becoming an uphill battle. I do let myself occasionally have fun when I want/need to. But I think that because I had been studying for the LSAT incorrectly for so long, that finally redirecting myself and trying to get into the PT stage is really draining me emotionally.

I don't know that I'm looking for people to motivate me (thinking about how I sometimes do enjoy the LSAT, seeing improvements, and knowing that I want to be a lawyer more than anything else usually does that). But I need a different perspective: how do other people approach emotional-burn out? I'd like to learn from you!

I know many of us are holding down full-time jobs while prepping, but I'm curious, has anyone here been a frequent traveler/flyer while studying or can anyone offer tips on harvesting and maximizing all those scattered bits of somewhat-distracted-but-solo downtime? My job in consulting keeps me busy 60+ hours a week, traveling 3-4 days to and from client sites, with lots of time in airports, on planes, getting and driving rental cars, and sleeping in hotels. I enjoy my job - it's just not my long-term passion, hence the LSAT!

I'm still working through the CC, so I think those lonely evenings in hotels will eventually be perfect for PTs. But I also have many 15 to 60 minute increments throughout the week when I could be listening to or watching videos or podcasts on my laptop or my phone, doing a short activity in a limited space, etc.? Any recommendations on how I can deploy these slots in my larger study schedule? Anything you'd purposefully save only for longer, more concentrated study sessions, or print out and keep with you always? I'm really curious how others use the 7Sage app, in particular.

I have a feeling my 2017 will include a daily LG section on a table tray.. :-) )

(Happy Holidays!)

Hey Everyone! First of all, Happy Holidays! Hope all you had a relaxing and rejuvenating break!

I've recently taken 1 month and half break from LSAT Prep. I'm still in undergrad (senior year) so I'm in the homestretch now, finally excited to get out of college. However, I was experiencing some real burnout from prep due to trying to balance everything from school as well, so I took a long needed break to focus on finals and to make sure I keep my GPA up. I've been prepping for about 6 months now, but I started 7sage in September. I still have not finished my core curriculum, I'm actually no where near done.

My question is: Should I jump right back in where I left off? Or should I start from the beginning and review the earlier sections? ! month and a half isn't that bad, but I feel like I may have forgotten a lot.

I'm in the processing of joining a study group in NYC. For those interested, please follow the link: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/9766/any-new-yorkers-nyc-area-interested-in-joining-a-study-group-for-the-june-2017-lsat

Thanks for the advice?

Hi guys,

So I'm a Biology major at Case Western who has been struggling in some of her more difficult courses. I'm in my third year and my cummulative stands at a 3.125. I know this is a bit low, but I've been studying pretty hard for all my courses, gotten the help I needed and done my best. I'm also studying pretty hard for the LSAT. I know that sometimes hardwork doesn't mean much to a Law school admissions counselor... But I have extra curriculars, a job in a lab, and am taking a Bachelors of Science in Bio along with a secondary major in Spanish at a difficult school.

Is it still possible to go to Law school?

I have used 7sage off and on for the last 4 years. I wanted to come back here after Sept test and post this but didn't get time until now.

I scored 171 in Sept and went -0 in both LR sections. This happened after multiple takes and persistent effort. My diagnostic was around 130. I missed out on a high 170s score mainly due to virus game.

Just wanted to say that I benefited much from being on 7sage and discussions with other preppers on its forum. It was a great experience and 7sage was an indispensable resource.

It may seem impossible sometimes, and it may take long to get to your desired score range but know that it can be done. So those of you who find it hard to improve, it's important to remember that it will come as long as you keep trying.

Hi there,

I was wondering what do you guys do with questions that you had made a mistake?

Do you write down the question so that you review it later?

What kind of method do you do?

I took the December LSAT and am waiting for my scores but I'm worried I didn't do quite as well as I hoped. Is there any precedent for applying with the December scores but taking the February test and sending updated scores? A lot of schools won't have made final decisions by the time those scores come out in late February.

Thanks!

if I purchase the starter pack at $179, and I upgrade the course, does it just extend the length of the course or do I also get the extra PT explanations of the Premium stuff?

The argument breakdown is as follows:

P1: Surgical procedures differ in one important aspect from medicinal drugs.

P2: This one important aspect is that a correctly prescribed drug depends for its effectiveness only on the drug's composition, while the effectiveness of even the most appropriate surgical procedure is transparently related to the skills of the surgeon who uses it.

C: The proposal to extend clinical trials to new surgical procedures should not be implemented.

So we are looking for the flawed reasoning. I was able to eliminate B, C, and E, but my worry is that I also eliminated A (the correct answer) and chose D, not because I liked D, but by POE.

Would someone be willing to explain to me why A is the correct answer? The argument is saying that the extension should not happen, and it seems that A would only add a premise, rather than constitute a flaw. Is the flaw because the stimulus only mentions one important point at which they differ, and A is pointing out a second important point?

(Also, on a side note, has anyone ever come across a flawed reasoning question where the answer was "the argument is flawed because they didn't cite any scientific evidence"? I am usually quick to eliminate these because, logically speaking, an argument works with the evidence it is given and draws conclusions from that. Sometimes they are terrible conclusions, but regardless, one does not need scientific evidence to validate a terrible argument. If we are speaking scientifically, empirical evidence is clearly important. But, for our purposes, I just don't see how a lack of scientific evidence can ever be the logical flaw in an argument. I chose D for this answer, already suspecting it was wrong, but I did so by POE. Any thoughts on this?)

Thanks!

Hey All,

I need some advice regarding a sort of inconvenient situation. I work 9:30-5:30 everyday in Manhattan, but I live on the outskirts of Manhattan, which means I am spending an hour and a half on the train each way every day.

That's about 3 hours a day on the train. Yes. I know.

I spend a majority of that time reviewing LSAT materials, in addition to whatever I can get in at work during my lunch break. But I never feel like I've gotten enough review in (if it's even possible to feel that way...). Mostly because the train during rush hour is not the most conducive environment for intensive LSAT review. I do what I can, but studying for hour increments, spread throughout the day does not exactly give me enough time to hit my optimal level of engagement with the material. So I clearly need to figure something out...

(Weekends are also mainly dedicated to review, as well as certain week nights. More on this below)

Now to the exercise part. I am sitting for 8 hours a day at work and another 3 hours on the train. I am an decently active person, so physical exercise is important to me. My hobby is rock climbing, so I do a lot of indoor rock climbing to keep my body engaged. Its mentally exciting as well as physically challenging, so I see it as a psychological release as well. I do some occasional yoga as well.

Okay so now back to the timing issue... considering I get home around 7:30pm, going to work out basically takes up the rest of my night. I'll end up getting home at 9:30pm and then...well...there's that early AM train I have to catch so I have to get to bed shortly after.

I'm willing to give up rock climbing during my LSAT prep if it's going to benefit me (I will cry every step of the way...but I will do it). My question is...will it? Physical exercise seems to be a common thread among top scorers and that's where I am aiming. I also don't climb everyday- I usually dedicate 2 weeknights to climbing and then a couple hours on Saturdays. It sort of comes down to what will benefit me more and I'm honestly not sure. I've considered other forms of "quicker" exercise like taking up running, but the idea of that makes me cringe (clearly not a runner...) and I don't see how that would give me significantly more time to study. Plus there's the whole "mental release" benefit to doing something I actually enjoy...

I should also follow up with the fact that the time I do put into study has been immensely productive. My understanding of the material has grown significantly. My contention is more because I know that I have the capacity to be learning more than I currently am (because of my limited time), so that is frustrating. All that to say, I could technically just keep doing what I'm doing and probably hit my goal score eventually...but I know I can hit it a lot quicker if I didn't have so many time constraints.

So I guess I'm just asking for cost benefit analyses. How important is physical exercise in your prep and do you foresee any catastrophic consequences if I decide to fully embrace the sedentary life? Do you think it's likely that the extra time will benefit me more than exercise?

Thanks in advance :)

hey guys,

Im planning on taking the June lsat. I want to do lsat practice tests 51-81 by the test, and will spend time studying, but I have a concern. If I need to take the september lsat because my June score was not what I want, how will I study for September? I will have taken lsats 51-81 by then lol. Like how would I study for the september lsat?

Hey guys, so one of the schools I'm applying to has an optional section called disadvantage addendum and the prompt says "Please describe the socio-economic disadvantages you have overcome." How long should these be? What sorts of things are included in this? I'd appreciate any feedback. thanks!

Can someone elaborate on Why E is incorrect?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-3-question-17/

I read in the past in some 180er's blog that he used to do a LG section before each PT to warm up. So I started doing that. 1 section of LG, usually an old one, about an hour before starting my PT (to simulate waiting in the test center to start).

Now I read on a discussion here (not naming names, but @Sami says that she warms up with 3 sections before each PT (1 LR, 1 LG, 1 RC). I was really surprised, hence this post. I would honestly try warming up with 3 sections before each PT, but I find I get a headache during the 3/4th section and I am pretty beat by the end of the 5th. I don't know if I could handle more than that. You think it is just a stamina thing that I need to work on? How much do you all warm up? And what are you with/without warming up PT scores? Noticeable difference? Especially @Sami , I'd like to hear how you go about doing a PT run. Any comments appreciated!