Hey everyone! Quick question about the Academic Summary Report -- LSAC just processed my transcripts and the numbers are what I expected them to be, but I just noticed the statistics they include about your degree granting institution. Specifically, the story they tell about my university is that 65% of students got below average on the LSAT and too few students exist to calculate an average GPA. I was wondering how this is viewed by admission officers and what sort of impact it would have if I'm at the median for my top two law schools.

Hi! So, when I blind review my answers and review the ones I did not get a chance to answer due to time, do I enter the answer choice in the analytics for the BR or leave them out? Thanks!

Hi 7sagers,

I'm planning on retaking in Sept, already used up the newer tests in preparation for the June 2017 lsat. I found PT's 70-80 to have subtle and not so subtle differences from older ones. I previously prepared using Manhattan's prep course, and they pulled from mainly 50-80 but occasionally older ones.

I'm wondering how to improve on LR and RC now, when I'm so familiar with the newer test problems and answers. Will drilling from the very earliest PT's hurt my exam prep for Sept? I know it sounds funny, if someone has a solid understanding they should be able to do well no matter how old or new the exam but I was confused why, for example I did pretty bad on the LR in the 60s but much better on 70s.

Is it ok to translate "Writing can only succeed if it meets the expectations." as:

"Meet Expectation --> Succeed"

or

Is it "Succeed --> Meet Expectation"?

I don't know if we see a sentence like this on LSAT, but I just saw this sentence in real life and got confused by its placement of the word "only."

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/13/study-high-standardized-test-scores-dont-translate-to-better-cognition

http://worklife.columbia.edu/files_worklife/public/Pros_and_Cons_of_Standardized_Testing_1.pdf

I thought these were two interesting links about standardized testing. They may not specifically be about the LSAT, but they do offer some insight about the pitfalls of this type of testing. I think the LSAT (and as a matter of fact all standardized admissions test) should be done away with. I recognize the need for an equal scoring system, but I would imagine every year students are denied from schools because they didn't perform well enough on a test, when in reality could be the best and brightest students in a field and their class. I don't know what the solution should be, maybe less weight for the LSAT in the admissions process, maybe admissions officer do more research about an applicants school/major, perhaps more schools conduct rounds of interviews with applicants? All of these of course take more resources that may not be available to all schools, but I think a new system is needed. What do the might fine minds of 7 sage thing?

I am trying to make a purchase but my transaction keeps failing because I already have a 7Sage account. But when I try clicking on "log in" at the check out page to this current account it keeps saying Password is incorrect but I try that exact same password on other parts of the 7Sage website and I am able to get into my 7 sage account.

Is there a list of the common valid argument forms? (on the lsat)

Last PT before we get into the 70s!

RC PT 69 Tuesday 7 PM ET

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HEY EVERYONE,

Took PT 65 on Monday and I got a 171 on it!! WOOO. JY's message hyped me up and suggested I celebrate my victory so here it goes! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASS.

Tips: You CAN do it. Try drilling your weakness, COFFEE, ENOUGH SLEEP, WATER - seriously, don't forget about the non-test related essentials :)

Best of luck,

171

Hey everyone!

I just had a quick question about drilling. I have noticed that I am not very good at NA questions. I was wondering how some of you have gone about shoring up these question specific weaknesses once you've realized them. I did most of the problem sets during the CC so any advice on to general practices or where to pull questions from would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

I have not done as many of tests to get a conclusion, but I heard there is a difference, is that true? anything you guys noticed?

I've heard very little about this. Does anyone use a particular method for triaging LR questions you want to return to? Dark/light circles/squares? Marking a question "completed" after you return and feel 100% confident?

Thanks!

I know this has been talked about endlessly...but here's to one more thread haha.

How do you deal with your LSAT anxiety? I find my mind races before I take a PT... and for the first few questions of the exam. I'm a yoga teacher, so I have the breathing and meditation down...but for some reason i can't get my mind to slow down when i first start a test. I'm okay after the first few questions...but the panic shows in my scores. It's like I'm not reading English anymore for the first two or three questions, and then I'm okay. Any advice on how to get over this?

Is there anyone in the area of Clemson/Greenville currently studying for the September LSAT who would want to form a study group? I was thinking we could pick a few PTs to take individually and then BR together, but am definitely willing to study in whichever way the group thinks is best!

Hi all-- I have been studying for the LSAT for over a year (starting June 2016). I took the exam this past June and had hoped/expected it to be my last take. As often happens, I wasn't happy with my score and I am planning to re-take the exam in Sept.

The unfortunate thing is that I have taken almost every single practice test. The only ones I have completely untouched are A B and C (and maybe one other). Thus, I am re-taking the PTs, starting with the oldest ones that I have taken (9-10 months old at the oldest). I do think there is value in that-- but what I am curious about is how much? Unless it is in my subconscious, I remember barely anything from the exams I took the longest ago. However, I am inclined to think that my score on the re-take is not "reliable" in the sense that I have seen the material before, even though the jump in some cases from first take to second take has been 20+ points.

This makes it difficult to gauge if my score is going up or not. I figure the only way to see where my score/average is now is how I do on the untouched exams. What do others think?

Anyone live in southern Connecticut and would want to set up a study group for the December 2017 LSAT evenings and weekends??

So, I have the starter package. I know there are webinars, but what other resources are available to us?

In looking through the combination of conditional logic lessons on 7Sage and in The LSAT Trainer, I think I may have hit on a much more simple way to translate sentences that contain both a group 3 and group 4 indicator.

The 7Sage group 3 indicators require negating an idea and making it sufficient. However, these indicators actually identify the necessary condition in the statement.

The group 4 indicators require negating an idea and making it necessary. However, these indicators identify the sufficient condition.

As a result, the suggested translation rule in lawgic that we pick one indicator to set the rule and then treat the other as a negation is actually somewhat of an extra step.

For example: No A, unless B. Typically we would choose "No" as the rule to apply (negate necessary) and then treat "unless" as a negation. So we would get A and /B and would instinctively apply the group 4 rule to the already negated element because that is easier to write out, thus giving us A-->B.

Likewise, choosing to apply the group 3 indicator rule (negate sufficient) and treat the other indicator as negation we get: /A and B and instinctively would apply the negate sufficient condition to the already negated element because that is easier to write out, thus given us A-->B.

We can reach the same result by just ignoring the indicator rules and instead understanding them as identifying either the sufficient or necessary condition, as applicable. In other words, when translating a statement with both group 3 and group 4 indicators treat the group 3 indicator as group 2 and the group 4 indicator as group 1.

Examples:

No dog (D) is without an owner (O).

D --> O

---

None of the participants were certified in special education (C) except for the director (D). (treating except as group 3 here)

C --> D

---

You should never go outside (G) unless you bring your umbrella (U).

G- -> U

----

Until the fire department gives the all clear (C), we cannot return to our offices (R).

R-->C

Hello! I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the process of attending law school in Australia and returning back to Canada/US for employment after graduating. I have read that certain states (CA + NY) are more friendly to international law students when they return back to pursue a legal career. As well, I have become aware to how more Canadian students attend school in Australia for law and return back to Canada to take some written exams before they can officially become a lawyer.

Does anyone have any more information about the process of attending law school internationally before coming back to practice in North America? Thanks!

Can anyone show me their diagram of this question?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-29-section-4-question-12/

So i already took a test in December and decided to retake. I am currently PTing around 167ish and i am shooting for a 170+ the regular test deadline is august 2nd. I dont know if i should sign up or not. I dont mind retaking in december. The reason i am not pushing off till december mainly is due to nerves. What if i sit for december and freak out? I have already pushed off a cycle so no matter what i am appying for fall 2018. I have no qualms of studying till December but i worry that my nerves will get to me. If i take in September at least i have another shot after if my nerves do get to me. Thoughts?

I have just finished the core curriculum for Logical Reasoning, would it be better to continue with the core curriculum or start reading the LR Bible?

Option 1: 7sage LR --> LR Bible --> 7sage RC --> RC Bible --> 7sage LG --> LG Bible

Option 2: All of 7sage Core Curriculum --> All the Powerscore Bibles

In one of the lessons, JY states:

"Some dogs are cute. All cute things are loveable.

Therefore, some dogs are lovable".

My question is, why is it not, "Therefore, ALL dogs are loveable"?

So i have made tremendous strides in my RC method and technique over the past couple of weeks. Contrary to populer belief, i think RC is a very doable section, especially with the proper incorporation of the memory method.

My question is: does it ever get to the point when one is comfortable with every passage they encounter? I realize this is subjective, but i am asking about your personal experience.

Alot of times i will read a passage and BAM, i feel super in control of the content and absolutely breeze through the questions. And these arent necessarily based on the content or the difficulty. And sometimes i just seem pretty blurry even after a couple of reads. Any thoughts?

Hello 7sagers! Vague question alert here, but I took the June LSAT and am starting the application process - how do I go about narrowing down my list of schools? What kind of process are you using? Not entirely sure where I eventually want to settle down and practice (which is complicating things), but I scored a 166 and have a 3.85 LSAC GPA (OK softs, played a sport 4 years in college if that makes a difference). Do you think I can get into some of the lower tier T-14 schools? Any help is appreciated - thanks!