I have not done PT 67 and 68 and am stuck between saving them in case I need fresh PTs for December (if I need to retake) and using them so I am familiar with the games in them. What do people with experience in those PTs think? I know from discussion threads I have seen (and from looking at the games categorizations) that 67 and 68 both have an unusual game in them. Will I be better off looking at those games or saving them? I certainly feel prepared for a good showing on this exam but with the LSAT you never know. I might be needing to do it again come Dec.

Wondering if there exists a cheat sheet for biconditionals? I know there isn't that much to learn but it's helpful to have one to refer to when you're trying to cement those skills!

In the curriculum, we get insight about jumping over your BR potential. After doing some BR I am happy to see that meeting my BR potential actually puts me into the range I wish to be. So, I need to perfect my skills and the art of BR. But, what if I want to exceed my BR potential? Have any of you done that? If so, what changed? What happened to propel you past your BR potential?

I ask because my experience with the LSAT comes with waves. I feel like I pick things up and push my score by a decent amount (top of the wave) and then the wave subsides and the scores flatten out until I find that other "aha" moment. So far, and it has been a couple of days of 7sage, I have already had a couple by just taking part of the curriculum. I can't wait to take it to a PT, because I have a feeling this change is serious. Still, I hope to hit my BR potential. Greed being what it is, I also want to exceed it. Any advice from those that have?

Usually when I am taking a PT I use a scan tron to make it like real test conditions but I don't bubble the questions on the scantron well I just quickly mark it and move on and then at the end make sure they are all bubbled well. Will I be able to do this for the real thing? Will there be any time after each section or after the entire thing to make sure your answers are bubbled fully?

LG is consistently my worst section on PTs. When I try a Logic Games section without the pressure of finishing in 35 minutes, I usually do pretty well (maybe 2 or 3 wrong answers), but when I do a timed section, I'm getting 8 or 9 questions wrong and sometimes I run out of time completely.

I think my problem is keeping track of the time, though I don't have this issue with LR or RC. I feel confident in my ability to make inferences and diagram games, but I'm sure there are ways to improve that as well.

Any tips on keeping time/moving quickly through logic games? Am I just being impatient? It's just frustrating because I can see improvement in every other area that I'm working on.

I would like to bring together a group of anyone that has questions with specific problems on LR sections on PT 70-77

Any takers on someone hosting a webinar like this for this week/weekend

Hey everyone,

Below is a breakdown of my 10 recent LSAT scores. I've been using PTs in the lates 60s (68, 69) and the rest 70s.

What do you think my odds are of hitting at least 160 next week?

159

169

157

159

160

161

163

157

159

161

Hey guys, @GabrielMarquez sent me an email the other day that I thought you could help her out with. If you can, post here or PM her please!

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I am from India and in my city there is no one who has gone to a law school in USA

If it is not too inconvenient, can you put me in contact with someone who has competed for the top 14 law schools recently, preferably, Harvard or Yale. I can really use some guidance.

I waived my right to see my letters. One recommender cc'ed me on the letter & I received it today. It reads on the bottom "cc: ____" -my name. Is this going to be harmful &/or should I not submit this letter with my applications? It's from a previous boss for whom I worked as his legal assistant. The letter is nice it's 2 paragraphs & short & sweet, not complaining I just wasn't sure if I expected something long & detailed or right to the point. I was glad he wrote me one, I'm a bit older & have been working quite some time, I do have 2 letters each from a professor. Any advice? Should I submit this one or hold off since anyone who reads it will know that I have as well.

I've seen a number of references on 7sage forums indicating that Yale cares quite a bit about retakes and cancels on the LSAT. I'm just curious as to what extent this is this case -- it seems to be a frequent opinion that retaking or cancelling basically means you can say goodbye to a shot at New Haven. Obviously there is the general consensus that Yale can do whatever it likes as far as admissions goes because it's, well, Yale. But beyond this admissions platitude, what reason is there to believe that Yale's aversion toward retakes is, in fact, the case? (Not challenging that it is, just hoping for some more information as to why this seems to be common knowledge).

I chose (A) because I thought verbal explanations of those medical experts are not effective enough for judges and jurors to understand such testimony, which is explained at the end of the final paragraph, and "appreciation of the difficulty involved in explaining medical data" is explained in line 57-59.

(C) also looked a good choice, but I couldn't find the exact moment of "acceptance of accuracy of such testimony" in the passage.

Could you clarify why could (C) be better answer choice than (A)?

Thank you!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-1-passage-2-questions/

I am taking the December test. Or, at least that is my goal. I began studying towards the end of June at a 10 to 12 hour per week state. My initial scoring was 150-ish. I am finally pt-ing near the 160's now, but that is not good enough. My ultimate goal is to score in the 170's ( 3.2 gpa in undergrad, want/need to get into UT Austin). Anyway, I just signed up here a couple of days ago and am on a three month plan. It definitely is a LOT to cover, but I do have a background in some of the things I am currently listening to. With that said, am I okay pushing a three month study plan in order to succeed? Should I play that solely by feel to see if I am PT'ing in the range that I want?

My main worry is applying in February. I am not sure how significantly my chances are diminished even if I score in the 170's if I apply in February.

What do you guys think?

Figure this might be a way to keep confidence up on test day. Doing this after having completed each section perhaps?

A few thoughts and questions on my LSAT process so far (started studying in July):

1) Reasoning - I've been doing a lot more of this recently and have found that I'm consistently weak on MBT, Sufficient and Necessary Assumption, Parallel, and Method of Reasoning questions. I've started doing sections untimed just to focus on prephrasing and writing out what I need to look for, etc and that has helped a lot. However, my scores still go up and down - last weekend I went through a section and got 3 wrong, then got 10 wrong in another section the following day. Any consistency is around the 5-8 wrong range, which is too high if I am going to get above a 160. I'm hoping things will come together and start to click before too long. Any strategies or ideas on the weak points I mentioned above? I'm trying to do extra practice questions on those types but not sure if it is just something that has to come with time. A mentor of mine just suggested that I start diagramming the stimulus and every answer choice for all of the types of LR questions that I struggle with.

2) Games - my scores go up and down. Last night I did a section with 5 wrong and the other day I did a section with 10 wrong. I have a feeling it just depends on the difficulty of the section, but then again there are games that JY says are easy and should take 5 minutes and they take me 10 minutes, as well as some games that he says are insanely difficult and I breeze through them. Overall it is hard not to get discouraged when I repeatedly do LR and games sections and get 10 questions wrong, don't finish the games in time, etc. I'm trying to remember that I need to focus on gaining a complete understanding of everything I'm doing right and wrong so I can efficiently improve, but right now it seems like I'm plateauing. I'm assuming this means I just have to keep pushing through and trying to gain understanding until I make a breakthrough? Any tips on breaking through a plateau?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-68-section-4-game-4/

Hi, I'd like to share a method I used for pt68 game 4. At first glance, it seems like you have to brute force this game; however, you can solve it in a more efficient manner. With this method, this game took me a little under 9 min. Before starting this explanation, I will assume you understand the rules but let me know if you would like that explained as well.

The first step is to understand what the possibilities are in this game. It seems like anything could happen, but we are actually quite limited once we apply a few rules. One technique I found helpful in this game (and other similar ones) was to split via the Q3 rule. One with Q3 (therefore making the rule irrelevant) and one with Qnot3 (therefore triggering Q-S). By doing this, we no longer have to worry about whether or not to apply the conditional rule. Another thing I added towards my rules was that there must be something in between J and G (since they are both finance); the rule ended up looking like this J-X-G-R (just remember the X means "something"). This same concept can be applied to the Qnot3 rule; the result is Q-X-S-Y (the X here and the other X does not necessarily have to be the same thing, it's just there to represent the "something" that has to be there).

So let's start with the Q3 game board. With Q3, next we want to look at J; J has a minimum of 3 things after it so it would seem the only possible spots for J would be 1,2,4. It turns out 1 is not possible because there's nothing that can go in between J (1) and Q (3) other than Y, but Y has S before it. Therefore, we only have to look at J in 2 and 4. Whether J goes in 2 or 4, G and R must go after Q, otherwise we would violate the consecutive rule. If J is 2, we need something in 1 that is NOT finance. This means either S or Y, but not Y because of the S-Y rule. If J is in 4, G must be in 6 (can't put G next to J) and R must be in 7. To go in between J and G, we need something thats NOT finance. Again, this means S or y, but not S because of the S-Y rule again. This leaves us with S and H for 1/2 but since Q and S are of the same group, they must be separated by the H.

Gameboard 1.1 S J Q _ _ _ _ G-R, Y, H These 4 letters can go anywhere as long as they maintain the sequence required and the no consecutive rule. There's a few possibilities here, but it's really not that many nor is it complicated to see.

Gameboard 1.2 S H Q J Y G R (it's completely filled!!)

Next up is the seemingly complicated Qnot3 split. It ends up not being filled in at all, but we only have to remember 2 sequencing chains. As mentioned earlier, Qnot3 triggers our conditional rule leaving us with Q-X-S-Y. This sequence along with the previous J-X-G-R sequence is all we have to keep track of, and H. Once we place one letter, things will start to fall into place.

Gamebaord 2 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [Qnot3] Q-X-S-Y J-X-G-R H(just dont put this next to G or J)

The questions go by pretty quickly.

I'll skip question 17.

Question 18. If Y is 4th... it is best to just look at one gameboard first to see what we can eliminate quickly. Let's put Y4 into 1.2. The result is S J Q Y G R H. B, C, E get eliminated. So we are left with A (J2) and D (Q3). The next board to look at is our only other possibility, which is 2. If Y is 4, then according to our sequence, we must have Q-X-S in 1,2,3 respectively. J can't 5,6,7 since there's 3 things after it so the only spot left for J is 2. The result is Q J S Y G R H. A (J2)

Question 19. If G is 4th, could be true, let's look at a board that has a lot filled in (ie 1.1) So S J Q G _ _ _ with R Y H to place. Scanning the answer choices quickly, you should see E (Y6). We can simply have S J Q G R Y H. E (Y6)

Question 20. Quick and easy, scan through the choices to see if we have anything filled in from our boards. B (H2)

Question 21. For this question we will have to do a bit of work, but nothing too hard since we only have simple rules to follow. If J is 3, we can only be looking at gameboard 2. _ _ J _ _ _ _ ... X-G-R will go to the right of J. What can go to the left of J? We can't put S on 2 because there's 2 things before it and we can't put Y on 2 because there's 3 things before it, so we're left with Q and H; H and J also can't go next to each other so we must have H Q J _ _ _ _ S-Y G-R . Since this is a could be true, the answer choice will most likely be one with S, Y, G, or R. That leaves us with A, D, E. G can't be 4th since J is 3rd [BYE A]. S can't be 2nd since Q is 2nd [BYE D]. Y 5th is ok ... H Q J S Y G R E (Y5)

Question 22. S could be what except...check your previous work!! S1 is in 18. S3 is in 18. S4 is in 21. We don't have anything for S5 or 6, but that's ok because now we only have to test 1. I would choose S6 because that will force Y7. _ _ _ _ _ S Y (this will be gameboard 2 so just fill it in using our remaining sequence chains) We can have J Q G R H S Y. S6 works so our answer will be D (5)

Question 23. To do this question most efficiently, you'll have remember our earlier rules about sequences. If we put R4, that forces J-X-G into 1,2,3 respectively thus placing us in gameboard 2. J _ G R _ _ _ Q-X-S-Y H The only thing that can go in between J and G is Q and H, but not H since it's finance (along with J and G) therefore.. J Q G R _ _ _ S-Y H R and S are both nutrition therefore we are forced into this result J Q G R H S Y C(R4)

Hey everybody! So here's my situation.

I have a 3.33 GPA (ugh) and I'm 3 years out of school. Applying for next fall so it'll be 4 years by then. Have a 165 on the LSAT but am retaking in a couple weeks and am confident that I'll do better - PTing in the low 170s, I feel there's a shot at a high score too.

Last cycle, I did ED to Emory but decided to back out. They offered me 80k in scholarships as well - a good deal but I didn't feel great about the whole thing, so I decided to wait another year, move to Nepal to do humanitarian stuff, and then attend next year.

I should also say, I have a pretty solid resume when it comes to volunteer experience/non-profit work - I want to do public interest law - and have been rebuilding homes in New Orleans post-Katrina for the past 3 years with a non-profit. I've also worked for several other non-profits, including the ACLU of Tennessee and the Family Equality Council.

Here is the thing though - I don't really want to be strapped to 200k+ in debt to have a public interest career. However, there is LRAP so I could have it all forgiven in 10 years, which is great. I would also like to attend school in the Northeast (girlfriend, family, etc.). The schools I'm thinking are NYU (top choice), Georgetown, and some others that are a bit of a reach, and also schools I'm fairly confident I'll get into w/ money - Emory, UGA, GW.

Should I do ED to NYU? Does it make a difference? If I were to get in, would that sacrifice any scholarship offer I'd get? Are my numbers so low that scholarships are impossible anyway? Say I get a 172 on the LSAT this time around. Would the advice be different?

Thanks, dudes.

Can anyone explain to me why D is correct? This question is about the concert hall.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-2-question-24/

Hi guys, does anyone know what the actual administration date for C2 is? 7Sage has it labeled as January 2016, but I have heard some conflicting information on this. Trying to figure out if I should be taking this.

thanks!

I am postponing. I have been consistently scoring about 3-5 points under my target score and I know that I can get there by December. BUT... since I am not getting my money back... I am considering showing up for the test on sept. 24th and taking it under real conditions. I would then cancel the score, because I am not ready. I feel like it will give me a confidence boost in December to have already gone through the process once. The only con I can think of is that a cancelled score will show up on my report, will anyone in admissions care? Is this a bad idea?

Good morning guys. Was hoping I can get some insight on a recent phenomena I encountered on my last 3 PT scores.

A week ago I was so excited to have finally broken 170+. I got a 173 on PT 30. I think I must have gotten cocky or overconfident because on the next test I did (PT 54) I got a 160! My most recent test was PT 21, which was a 172.

Has this ever happened to anyone of you? I'm a little concerned since we pretty much have a week till game day so I just want to see what loose ends I can tie up. I know that my mindset of being cocky may have had a large impact. Any suggestions as to how I can be more consistent in staying in the 170 range would be much appreciated. Thanks guys!

Hi all,

Most of the schools that I am applying to give the option of a DS which is awesome, because I have not so great stats but a very diverse/unorthodox upbringing. One of the schools that I am applying to (UCLA) doesn't say anything about a DS specifically, but there is an optional addendum section where it says "If there is additional information you would like to include in your application, please attach an addendum" so I was thinking about just uploading the same DS I am writing for all my other schools under this section, so that I can also use the PS that I have written (which has little to do with my upbringing).

Does anyone know if that is frowned upon or anything? I just want to make sure I don't make them roll their eyes at me when they are already looking at subpar stats haha. Thanks in advance!

Hey guys,

Happy to be part of an intelligent community. I have just started the program and am loving it so far. I was wondering what an average breakdown of questions by difficulty would be on a 50 question LR section.

How many 1 star, 2 star, 3 star, etc questions should I expect to find on average? Is it an even distribution where I will see a 10/10/10/10/10 split? Or are there a bit more 1/2/3 star questions?

Sorry if this is an idiotic question, but I am generally curious so I could get a gauge of where I am.

Happy Studying.

Hello! I am planning to take the december LSAT and started studying really lightly -- about 5 hours a week in June and then ramped things up to studying full time at the end of August -- about 36 hours a week. I am signed up for a prep course with Blueprint, which will end in time for the December test. After reading 7Sage's discussion forums and general advice, i'm now having cold feet about the timeline of things -- will 4 months be enough time to prep if I am studying full time? I don't think a year timeline is quite realistic for me...

Any experience/advice would be so appreciated!

Jon's conditional breakdown shows an example of how the answer choice has to be sufficient based on the argument...

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-55-section-1-question-12/

7Sagers,

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