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Hi all, first time poster here!

I've done quite a few practice tests and while there is (happily) a general upward trend between all of them, my last 5 are sort of all over the place with 10 points between the best and worst and no decipherable trend. While it seems like one should be scoring within a certain range (for example, 160-165), I am not sure what the acceptable limits of the range are- that is, a 10-point range seems way too large to accurately predict a potential test-day score. So my questions are:

1. What does constitute as an acceptable range within which one can reasonably get a good idea of what their score will be on test day? 5 points? 6? 7? What is your range from your last 5 tests, and do you feel it accurately reflects your potential?

2. How does one differentiate between a representative score on a PT and an outlier score? (An outlier score being one that is way above or way below the mainstream, and since it doesn't fit in with the general trend, may not actually represent anything of significance.) Example: Did I score 175, which is x points above my average, because I'm legitimately improving, or because I got lucky that day?

3. Any tips on making scores more consistent? All of my sections are usually +/- 5 EXCEPT for RC which is either real good or real bad and never in between...

Thank you all in advance for the help!

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So, I got this question right and I understand why the correct answer is correct and the others are wrong, but I need a little help figuring out C. Is it wrong because of the word only?

A) Murray never states his opinion on this, he just states that Jane claims this and her criticism is wrong in she does not criticize others.

B) M doesn't say whether it is wrong or right, he is just critiquing J's argumentation. J never says she thinks this is wrong although I think it is implied in her criticism of the politician.

C) I was deciding between this and E, I ultimately went with E because I thought only was too strong and there could be reasons other than her dislike such as the potential principle that it is wrong to accept gifts from lobbyists.

D) Jane agrees with this, Murray we don't know how he feels. All we know is that he doesn't like Jane singling out the one politician.

E) I would say this is true because of both arguments. M says regardless of Senator Brandon's involvement at least others have done the same. J acknowledges that she has not criticized the same point in other politicians indicating that Senator Brandon is not alone in this practice.

So, if someone can help me understand C better or let me know if I am on the right track, I would be most appreciative!

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I am BRing this question and am having a hard time convincing myself why the answer is A. not E. any input would be helpful.

Descriptive Flaw Question:

Scientists found that there is a greater frequency of illness among people who sleep atleast 8 hours per night than there is for people who sleep significantly fewer hours. This shows that mild sleep deprivation isn't unhealthy and probably bolsters your immune system

A. Another factor that contributes to both phenomena - Sure this seems reasonable maybe eating a bunch of kale makes you sleep terribly and also makes you get sick less often so sleep deprivation doesn't bolster your immune system

B. Wrong - The passage doesn't take a position on whether sleeplessness is the ONLY factor that contributes to immune system development, this is not a flaw with the argument

C. Wrong - An amalgamation of LSAT buzzwords that is meant to attract plebs

D. Wrong - I don't think it takes for granted that an observable correlation would occur, it sounds like the passage establishes that something observable happened and tries to explain it.

E. The passage says "wow people get sick less frequently when they're sleep deprived, it must be that sleep deprivation is not unhealthy" this flawed reasoning seems to be exactly what is described in answer choice E. Because illness is not associated with sleep deprivation then sleep deprivation must not have other negative consequences. What if sleep deprivation also gives you cancer, what if sleep deprivation also makes you fall asleep at the wheel. This flaw just seems considerably larger to me than any issue of not considering that there is a third factor at play as per answer choice A.

Any insight on this question would be greatly appreciated.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-1-question-18

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Hello!

Like some of you, I am feeling the effects of burnout and am still planning to test in September after consistently hitting my target. However, I was wondering what all of your takes were on reading for pleasure in the meantime. For example, I was thinking about beginning the 4th Harry Potter book, but wasn't sure if this was a good idea. Any input would be greatly appreciated!

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Hi guys,

I've reached a precarious situation in which my performance on the RC has become a trade-off between time and accuracy. If I try to run through the passages quickly, I tend to get many answers incorrect. If I try to spend more time on each question, I generally increase my chances of getting those questions right but I find it difficult to finish the last passage (not necessarily the 4th one). Does this happen to anyone else? How can I resolve this conundrum?

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Sometimes when I would study for the LSAT I often wondered what was the history behind the exam and how it came to be. I noticed the first LSAT with a pdf file was in 1991 and I always wondered how did individuals become lawyers prior to the first LSAT. I found a pdf article about the topic and wanted to share it.

http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/publications-(lsac-resources)/history-lsac-lsat.pdf

*Copy and Paste Link*

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Hi,

My question is regarding the letters of recommendation for LSAC. I decided that I am going to apply next year for law school (not ready for the LSAT), but I want to get my other requirements for the application process out of the way. I was wondering if I get my professors to send my letter of recommendations in this year, if I will be able to use it for next year's application. I just want to make sure that LSAC wont delete the letters from the system when the new application cycle begins.

I tried calling LSAC but they are closed today and I already contacted my professors for the letters of rec.

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Hi all,

I've been reviewing my PT performance, and I seem to be missing the hardest problems in LR (across a variety of Q types). Any recommendations for how to improve on the hardest problems in LR?

Thanks!

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LSAC says "no erasers with sleeves" (http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/day-of-test).

I'm pretty sure they meant erasers with paper wrapping that you can easily take off and on.

I use this eraser because it's so easy and quick for me to erase things on my answer sheet: https://www.amazon.com/Pentel-Eraser-Retractable-Assorted-ZE21BP3-K6/dp/B001HA77OO

But it has a black case. Is this considered a sleeve? Any help or insight would be appreciated. Thank you!

Worst case scenario, I'm thinking the proctor looks at my eraser and tells me to chuck it, in which case I'll have brought a back-up plain eraser.

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I have taken lot of PTs old and new and have all of the recent PTs except for C2 (the previously undisclosed test in Superprep 2). I do not want to leave any stone unturned but within reason. $20 for one PT (I already have the other two from Superprep 2) seems silly unless (group 3 negate sufficient) there is a definite benefit. Is it recent (does anyone even know)? Does it have unusual games? I am probably leaning toward getting it but wanted to see what experience people have with it and what advice that experience would generate.

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Hey Dallas 7sagers,

I am about to register for December LSAT and two test centers that are available within 30 minutes from me are Collin College Mckinney and Bill J priest institute. I was wondering if anybody has had experience with either of them and can tell me more about them. Which one should I pick?

Thank you for your help. :)

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I'm at the point that I just don't know what's wrong with me and why I can't break into the high 160's/170's. Somebody please tell me, because I'm lost. I planned on talking Sep exam and am now panicking.

First, I have always been under the assumption that I can just keep studying till I get the score I want. That's why I've been at this for so long. Here is my history. I have taken Testsmasters in-class course twice. I did the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim. And most recently done 7Sage. I have taken every LSAT except 76 and 77 (Scores below ordered in the date I took them). When I blind review exams I always get almost a perfect score if not a perfect 180, so I get the concepts. I never run out of time except maybe 3 questions on games and sometimes have to rush my last RC passage a bit and complete in say 5 minuets. The questions I get wrong are a random assortment of easy/hard/different types of questions. It's worth noting that my two biggest jumps were after a prolonged break (easier to see if the info below is graphed). And so I'm wondering if maybe I should just kick my feet up till Sep 24th in order to make another jump. My typical day consists of finishing my 8hrs at work and studying 3-4 hours after work. At this point... I feel like I'm just an idiot. I have studied the LSAT more than anyone I know or read about. I'm about ready to pull my hair out. Any advice?

# Date Taken Score

61 7/19/2013 140 (Day 1 of Testmasters Course 1)

63 8/17/2013 145

54 8/19/2013 147

55 8/22/2013 146

64 9/7/2013 148

56 9/18/2013 152

65 9/28/2013 152

62 9/30/2014 146 (Apx Day 1 of Testmasters Course 2)

68 10/4/2014 153

55 10/11/2014 153

56 10/12/2014 154

58 10/19/2014 155

64 11/8/2014 149

65 11/15/2014 155

67 11/22/2014 156

52 3/11/2015 162

53 6/8/2015 158

7 6/14/2015 164 (The LSAT Trainer Book Diagnostic)

54 6/14/2015 160

9 6/18/2015 161

10 6/22/2015 156

11 6/23/2015 160

12 6/30/2015 159

13 7/8/2015 160

15 7/9/2015 155

16 7/11/2015 160

14 7/12/2015 162

18 7/12/2015 161

19 7/13/2015 158

20 7/16/2015 158

21 7/28/2015 163

22 8/4/2015 161

23 8/5/2015 162

24 8/6/2015 162

25 8/11/2015 161

26 8/11/2015 163

28 8/18/2015 166

29 8/19/2015 160

30 8/20/2015 161

27 12/19/2015 166

31 12/20/2015 154

46 1/24/2016 157 (7Sage Studies began)

47 1/30/2016 161

48 2/7/2016 155

49 2/15/2016 162

50 2/25/2016 161

51 2/27/2016 164

45 3/16/2016 164

32 3/17/2016 166

33 3/21/2016 165

34 3/22/2016 163

35 3/27/2016 163

36 4/2/2016 166

37 4/3/2016 163

39 5/23/2016 164

40 5/26/2016 163

41 5/28/2016 162

42 6/4/2016 163

38 7/1/2016 165

43 7/6/2016 163

44 7/8/2016 161

57 7/12/2016 162

59 7/21/2016

69 7/24/2016 162

70 7/31/2016 165

71 8/7/2016 158

71.5 8/8/2016 162

72 8/23/2016 163

73 8/26/2016

74 8/28/2016 158

75 9/3/2016 160

76

77

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I'm so incredibly pissed. I started studying in late June with the goal to take the LSAT in September. I know that's not a lot of time to study, but I am a full time teacher and I really have no other choice because I can't split focus between work and studies. So after going through the course, I began recording my LSATs with perfectly simulated conditions. I started from #39. As of now, I just completed #66, so I have 12 left.

Here is the deal, I have been doing so incredibly bad lately. My Average on my first 10 was 164.7, median was 165. On the next 10 my average was 166, median was 155.5. I actually got a 170 on LSAT #51. Now I have finished 8 more, and my average on those is 164.37, with a median of 164. My last test was a 162, and the one before that was a 163. wtf?

My LR has been consistently very good barring a few outliers; my LG went from atrocious, to bad, to slightly better but still bad. My RC has plummeted. I get 3x as much wrong now.

Honestly, it's the worst feeling in the word. I have to finish the next 12 over 19 days, (I'm at least spacing out the last 3 with lots of relaxation in the last week), and I'm starting to feel like I'm doomed to failure. I really want to go to USC or UCLA, but I'd need to get a 167 to have a shot, given the fact that my GPA is so low from my 3rd year of college - Computer Science was not my thing and I had to be my mom's caretaker. I know that I can explain that stuff in the application, but honestly it would be stupid for those universities to gamble on someone because of their situation when they have more than enough applicants that are getting better scores.

Anyways, venting over. I'm sure there are others out there experiencing the same crap.

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Hi,

I'm not sure why C is the answer and D is not.

I thought all the sentence before the last one support the last sentence.

It seems like C comes from the second sentence.

In this stimulus there are two "but" and was not sure which is middle-conclusion and which is the main conclusion but I thought it's more natural that the first one supports the second one.

Could anyone explain why C is the answer? And why D is wrong?

Thanks in advance

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-78-section-3-question-18/

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Hello! So, I took the 2007 PT and I am checking each answer regardless of whether I got it riht or wrong. Is this a good idea? I feel like it's taking up too much time (I'm behind a week). Should I just check those that I got wrong/skipped?

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I recently did a preptest (PT 42) and scored within my average score (Which is good!) but usually my BR score is 10 points higher (which is always encouraging) but this time around my BR score was only 5 points higher. When I looked through to see what went wrong, I noticed that a large amount of the questions I had originally gotten correct under exam conditions, I then got wrong through blind review.

-I'm just curious if this is a common occurrence?

-Have I reached a point where I can intuitively tackle questions under timed conditions but when I stop to try to figure things out without time limitations then I over think things? -- If so, I'm not sure how to deal with that (a bit of a gamble to hope that my intuition is sound)

Also, I've noticed my RC sections have consistently been horrible ranging from -13 to -11.

-What are everyone's advice on drilling RC?

-I'm trying to use the memory method but I'm not sure how much annotation I'm allowed to do as I read.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Hey everyone,

I'm having difficulty determining how the conclusion of the passage is the conclusion. I thought the conclusion was "I was late to my meeting" because it's preceded by a reasoning. I thought the hypothetical conditional "If the maintenance had been done a different day" is a premise because it's trying to justify the reason why the person was late.

Can someone help me figure this out? I'm noticing that I'm having a hard time identifying conclusions for this test (I also got S3 Q. 17 "identify the conclusion" wrong).

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-78-section-1-question-23/

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So I'm just wrapping up learning the four basic groups and have a question on groups three and four. I know it doesn't matter which one you pick as long you stick to the rule(G3=Sufficient and G4=Necessary), but for speed purposes I created my own rule and wanted to know if there was ever a chance that rule could be wrong. So I always do the first idea and make it the sufficient indicator and the second the necessary. For the obvious reason that that would put them on the same side of the "arrow" consistently. But could I be setting myself up for a mistake? Does anyone else do this rule?

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