I don't know if there is a technical definition on the matter, but I'm curious what scores/GPAs make you a splitter. Is it overall, or specific to school?

For ex: a below 3 GPA and an above 170 LSAT is clearly a splitter.

But say you have a 3.5 or 3.6 GPA and an above 170 score. Is that STILL a splitter at the top schools? Or does the 170+ score override your good (but not great) GPA?

I feel like it becomes even more complicated when you parse out the scores above 170. At what point above 170 do the returns on another point stop increasing?

I realize this is a multi-layered question with a lot of hypothetical situations, so it may not be a worthwhile exercise for many. But then again maybe it is, since I know a lot of people probably have similar thoughts.

After the CC, I have worked through PTs 1-4. I'm planning on taking the test in September but I can push it back if need be. My scores are 162, 160, 162 and 169. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the 169. Before 7sage, I was working through Kaplan and so I might have burned some of the PT 60s (I was doing individual sections as opposed to full length tests). My diagnostic at the very beginning (back in November) was 148 so I have had significant improvement already. I'm also worried that I have peaked in terms of improvement.

Should I start taking PTs 20+? Is it worth it to go that far back? I know that the level of difficulty tends to change. September is getting closer and closer so I know it would be difficult to go through all 80 preptests. Plus, I would like to save PTs just in case I don't get the score I want on the first try.

Hey all, i've been accepted to 4 law schools in Canada and wait listed at 2. Waiting to hear back from 3 others.

I don't know why but i've lost my excitement. I start in September and I need to get excited about law school again before i start. I've started to feel more and more nervous and I don't know how to shake it off. Part of the reason I am nervous is because I have yet to make a decision about which school to attend. I feel like i am at a crossroads in my life and big changes are about to happen. I'm sure there are other 7sages in this situation so if you've found a way to get excited and cope, please share!

Thank you.

Hi,

I was wondering if someone could help clarify something for me. When you see this particular question stem, "reasoning is most vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it presumes," do you think of trying to find an assumption or just to identify the flaw. Any suggestions for eliminating answer choices for these flaw questions that are more subtle?

Thank you!

Hey All,

Just called LSAC about changing my test date to September, I am told the new dates will be posted on Friday. May the odds be ever in your favor.

Hello!

I wonder whether anyone here has been able to "close the gap" between their timed practice tests and their blind reviews in a short-ish period of time, especially when the errors are not in the LG section? If so, do you have any suggestions about studying habits for this next month? Normally I would just wait and take the test in September, give myself ample preparatory time. However, my schedule will be ramping up significantly in the coming months, and so June seems an ideal time to get this thing over with!

A bit about me: I am new to the site, and relatively new to the LSAT. I began studying about a month and a half ago. After familiarizing myself with the logic games, I took a couple practice tests near the end of March and scored in the mid-160s. Since then, I've improved; my last four tests have been 172, 173, 170 and 170 (from earlier to most recent).

This improvement is in large part due to 7Sage. Though I did not purchase the materials (I'm on a grad-student budget), I make extensive use of the analytics tool and read the forum often. I'm consistently amazed at this service and the generosity of its creators and users. And I'm really excited to be testing closer to my ideal range (173-180) for scholarships and admittance to my top choices for schools. BUT I am worried about my ability to break into that mid or high-170s realm in only another month of work. My blind reviewing is consistently in the high-170s (176-178), and the still-wrong answers are typically questions I don't circle and miss because of a reading error. My errors are almost all in LR and RC. RC varies wildly, from -2 in a section to -6. LR typically averages out to around -4 per test (i.e. -2 per LR section).

I've been doing 2 practice tests a week, a two or three-hour blind review the next day, and then a couple random sections from early tests on free days (timed and then reviewed untimed).

Finally: does anyone have tips for time management on the Reading Comprehension section? I am pretty sure that most of my errors come about because I panic about time and don't read the final two passages appropriately carefully.

Thanks for reading!

Any current graduate students that's studying for the LSAT? What is your weekly schedule like? Do you feel that you are getting adequate LSAT prep time? By the way, I'm planning on taking either the June or September 2017 LSAT.

I really enjoyed these sessions. Essentially, we answered questions live and rotated BRing them 1-on-1 with JY. We learned a whole lot about ways to approach question analysis and to gauge how well we really understand a question -- whether or not we answered it correctly.

My notes from these sessions are shared below. I see now that most of what I wrote for any given QT is actually applicable across the section, so I've gone ahead and reorganized my notes to reflect that. So if you are wondering why there are only few a lines under each QT but a whole lot under Best Practices, that's why : )

Best Practices

AC Strategy

-Narrowed down to 2 AC: circle key words and ID the main points to differentiate the two. Weigh them against one another again and skip/answer.

-Skipping is powerful because we usually interpret better on the second read. Don't even feel obligated to read the AC. Collect your coconuts.

-Don't latch onto AC. We may find ourselves spending 30+ seconds with a single AC just trying to make sense of it but that is stupid because it may not even make any sense to begin with. If you don't have a strong pre-phrase in your head, skim the AC ruthlessly. One of them may jump out as correct. Some may jump out as incorrect.

-Sometimes test writers place the correct answer for highly difficult questions as A or B hoping that when we read these AC, we are still processing the stimulus.

BR Strategy

-Get used to thinking in terms of Domains of Discourse. That will help you generally understand, ID flaws, and de-clutter your diagrams

-Match up corresponding ideas within analogies between the stimulus and AC. Think up additional analogies.

-Cookie Cutters are your friends. Study them so that you can identify them in whatever form they take. Test writers can dress them up in all sorts of creative ways. But if I gifted you a hockey stick, would it matter what color wrapping paper I used?

-There are also Cookie Cutter stimuli. Study these too.

-Sometimes the stimuli and the scenarios they describe or totally unrelatable. When this happens, think of your own real world substitute that matches and is easier to deal with.

Misc

-Once you start seeing the "Matrix" in LR, you won't know where you are until you attempt being 100% aggressive. Do confidence drills starting at 100% aggression (no diagramming, select what you think is right without looking at other AC, etc) and scale back accordingly. Calibrate you confidence level to your ability.

MSS

3 Major Cookie Cutter Types:

-(1) The stimulus is missing a main conclusion which the correct AC provides -- code name: "Extended MP Question"

-(2) The correct AC restates a premise (super premise) or pushes out an inference from 2 premises -- code name: "Mega MSS"

-(3) The correct AC summarizes the stimulus

SA

If you are reading carefully and your intuition is good, the stimulus probably won't flow smoothly. That is because you've detected the gap which we need to plug. Learn to enjoy that discomfort and focus on IDing exactly where that gap is.

Try to get comfortable visualizing aspects of the stimulus and AC in abstract form. If you can see ideas in terms of shapes or "things", that can simplify a purposefully convoluted and wordy stimulus. It can also help us decipher AC by IDing the structure of a given AC: "No [thing]" vs "Any [thing]. Think about what effect those conditional indicators have on their proceeding terms.

PSA

"Pseudo" is not usually that "pseudo" -- don't use the marginal wiggle room allowed on these questions to justify bad and incorrect AC.

PSA vs Principle: Understanding your task

-The QS can be easy to confuse, but the activities they require of us are completely different.

-Principle doesn't show up much, but if we understand PSA/SA, then it shouldn't trip us up because this questions all contain the same puzzle pieces it's just a matter of which one are provided and which we need to ID in the AC.

-To be honest, I still am having trouble differentiating these but I am not missing them either.

PR(F)

-Explicitly line up analogies in BR. Which ideas in the correct AC correspond with ideas from the stimulus? Do this for incorrect AC as well.

-In BR, alter wrong AC so that they would be correct. That will help strengthen your intuition for what was actually wrong. I think this exercise is also good for that thing we do where we read and AC and it sounds good about halfway through but then what we needed (and expected) to be said next wasn't -- and it's wrong because of it.

-Triage. Experiment which prioritizing AC. For example, reading the conclusions first to see if they match.

Flaw

-Learn and lean on the Cookie Cutter flaws. Not every question is Cookie Cutter, but if you know them, then when you face a misc. question, you'll be able quickly eliminate Cookie Cutter AC.

-AC will use tons of abstract language to confuse you and eat up time. Attempt to bring these AC down to the level of the stimulus. Replace the abstract language with corresponding ideas from the stimulus. This process will be much more rigorous in the BR but if you are choosing between 2 AC, deploy this method.

-Correct AC must (1) Be descriptively accurate and (2) Be the flaw

-"Fails to consider..." are almost always accurate because the avg stimulus is only like 4 sentences long. But is it the flaw?

NA

-An NA is an extremely powerful idea, though it looks and sounds weak. That is because without that assumption, the whole argument fall to bits.

Seriously it is getting down to the wire for the June exam and I am STILL struggling with the misc lg! Sometimes I can figure them out but for the most part I am not getting the entire game of that problem type! Please.....if anyone has suggestions could you leave a comment?!

Thanks in Advance

-M

Hello, I know this seems like a weird question, but I can't find much anywhere else. I'm planning on attending a local Law School, and their median scores they take are around 150-155. I know I'm not shooting for the stars here, and these are dismal scores to most of you. I'm about 3 months into studying, my latest score was a 144. I'm getting about --13 on LR, -15 on LG, -12.5 on RC. What would those scores need to be at to achieve a 150 and a 155? Meaning does it need to be -10 LR, -13 LG, and -10 on RC, or however that figures out to? I'm just trying to decide if it's realistic to hit that mark before June, or if I'm needing to do September as well

Thank you

Which type of questions in the logical reasoning section require the use of Suf/Nec and their negation? I have a good idea of how this works, I understand when/where it applies in LG, but I have no clue when to use this in LR. Sometimes I'll see an indicator and it doesn't seem to affect the question at all. Other time's I feel I miss them completely. What are the common question types that require us to map these out in the x_ ---> y fashion? What do the question stems look like?

I can access my syllabus but when I click on anything it will not load.

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I just got an email with 2 pdfs from LSAC and in one they stated: "You will receive an analysis of your personal performance on the

pilot test approximately 6 weeks after the administration. This analysis will include the number of correct and incorrect answers in each section and for groups of questions involving certain types of skills."

Im taking the pilot test to get jitters out of the way but I was hoping to know my score before the June LSAT. Doesn't it seem weird that it takes 6 weeks instead of the normal 4, even though its a pilot? Isn't the point to know your score right after or maybe a little after the test.

Thoughts?

I just hit 170 for the first time on a PT and wanted to give a quick little word of motivation for everyone who is going to take the June test. You can do this thing! I didn't think 170 was possible, but if you stick to the BR method, keep up to date on the forum, and occasionally study on a Friday night (me right now...) it is possible! So pumped right now. Thanks to all the sages and mentors for your awesome advice via the forum. 37 days until game day!

Hello!

So I forgot to reply to the email to confirm my registration within 48 hours for the digital test next weekend (dumb, I know). I called them yesterday and they mentioned that my name was on the roster. But when I called back today (because the person I talked to yesterday was kinda rude), they said that there is no way for them to check whether I am signed up or not...

I emailed them to confirm and they did not specify whether I am signed up or not in their reply. I did elaborate and ask them directly to confirm my registration, but I am not sure what to do where admission tickets should be going out between today and Friday.

I am not sure where to go from here...

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-18-section-4-question-16/

Strengthen Question

I was able to get this one correct by eliminating wrong choices, but I have a question regarding the answer choice (C).

(C) says when two methods provide the same type of information, the more intrusive one shouldn't be used.

From Dr. K's argument, we know that electronic fetal monitors (EFM) "do no more" to increase the chances that a baby will be born in good health than ordinary stethoscopes, but does this mean EFM and ordinary stethoscopes provide the same kind of info?

From Dr. A's argument, we know that Dr. K does acknowledge that both methods provide the same information, but can we use our knowledge we get from Dr. A's argument to strengthen Dr. K's argument?

Any ETA on the LG drill packets? I really wanna get started on them. Sorry, meant to say ETA on their organization.

First off, thank you 7 sage for having these awesome e-docs we get to print from! I just recently noticed that now the dates are appearing when I print and its making the content actually a little more blurry and smaller. Is there anyway to have them switch back to how they used to be? Or is there a special setting that I am unaware of?

Thank you!

I guess it's best to start with a little bit of history. I started my LSAT in June of 2016, I took a course with one of the testing companies and sat down for the September 2016 test. I scored a 157, which for me personally simply was not good enough. The course I took over the summer felt cluttered, and I certainly did not apply myself the way I should.

After the results, I turned to 7sage. I have the Ultimate package and I can tell this is much more my style for learning and comprehension. The question I can't answer now is "where do I begin".

I feel most confident with LG, I enjoy them, look forward to them and over all like doing them. I am still not perfect here (-2 to -4).

The other two sections are iffy. I took two practice tests through 7sage, one as a diagnostic and one more just to get a more accurate reading of where I am. The scores on those two tests were 161 and 159 respectively.

I have accepted that I don't know how to "LSAT" and I have accepted that I need to blind review in order to understand what I am doing both wrong and right. What I don't know is as follows;

Would it be most wise for me to follow the course lesson by lesson?

Should I sit down, look at the analytics, and focus on the question types that reoccurred during those two tests?

Should I relearn the way I approach Logic Games and use the methods 7sage suggests?

When is a good time to introduce practicing the writing section of the exam? Or do you even have to?

So far I have been only doing the timed 4-part preptests to make sure I have those sections ready to go by test day, but always skipped the writing parts. Is it useful to practice them, or skip them since the subjects change so often?

I registered for the June exam long time ago and was planning on postponing till September, but it seems like I'd be 90% ready by June. I'm scoring about 3 points below my target score. I know that ideally speaking, I should be pt-ing 3 scores above my target score to be "ready." Realistically speaking,

I don't think I will arrive there by June, because the last bit of the improvement usually takes the longest. ( like being on a diet; it is always the last 5 pounds that's the hardest to shed...and takes equally much time as shedding 20 pounds in the beginning... Lol)

But I am kinda worried about the Sept exam because I have a chronic insomnia and I feel nervous taking the morning exam. I know for a fact that I won't fall asleep. No amount of exercise, sleeping cycle correction will help me. I just know that much about myself. Nyquil is out of option, because I feel dizzy and foggy the day after.

Should I take the June exam just in case, since it is in the afternoon and I'd likely to have slept better? And maybe taking it in June will give me some perspective/insight for Sept?

Hi everyone!

The June LSAT is about a month away, and I was wondering if you guys had any advice.

To give you a little context, based off of my time PTs, I am still about 2-3 points away from my target score. When I do BR, I generally hit my target score or somewhat exceed it. I'm a little afraid that I have hit my LSAT score "wall." My score hasn't changed much over the past few weeks. Do you guys think it's possible to boost up my score those 2-3 points, and, do you guys have any advice on how to best study to gain a better and more confident grasp on this test? Recently, I've been a little lost as to how to best utilize my remaining time.

Thanks ahead of time!

Hi everyone,

I saw that May 16th will be our last days to change the date of June 2017 test. I also see that the registration for Sep 2017 test is not available yet. Does anyone know when we will be able to start changing date? I am worried if I will miss the day of changing date.

Thanks!!

Alison

Only question stem and all answer choices are shown. No stimulus.

What are some of your strategies to get excited for this section?

I enjoy the process of studying for LR and RC, but not LG.

I think I naturally enjoy anything that has to do with literary comprehension, but LG reminds me too much of algebra and math, which I've hated all throughout my life.. haha

I also think a part of it is my pride: I've excelled in humanities but not really in math, relatively speaking. So I would work extra hard, if need be, to maintain my self identity that I am good at critical reading. With LG, I have no such existential motivation.

any way to change this preconceived notion?

When I open up the page to fool-proof for LG, I think ... "Uh....it's that time again..."

Any tips?