https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-70-section-1-question-24/

I ran into some issues with a LR question on PT 70 S1 and would love some inputs from other students here. I chose E, which is the wrong answer, but I'm not at all sure why I am wrong.

For #24 (the Macro/Micronutrients question), the last sentence reads:

"To remain healthy in the long run, soils for lawns require the presence of these macronutrients and also trace amounts of micronutrients...which are depleted when grass clippings are raked up..."

Isn't this a conditional claim?

Healthy --> Macro + Micro, and

Grass Clips Raked --> Micro Depleted

Assuming that IF micronutrients are there, THEN it's NOT depleted (which is very reasonable to me), then taking the contrapositive, we can connect the two:

Healthy --> Macro + (Micro --> /MicroDepleted --> /GrassClipsRaked)

(Sorry for the visual representation. Couldn't get the format to look right. But Healthy is connected to Macro AND Micro, and Micro is itself connected to the rest of the chain).

So if you deny the last necessary condition, then you should be able to work your way back. So if Grass Clips are raked, then Micro Depleted, then /Micro (micronutrients are gone), then /Healthy.

I thought E communicated exactly this: "Homeowners who rake up their grass clippings are unable to maintain the long-term health of the soils in their lawns and gardens," which in lawgic is

Grass Clips Raked --> /Healthy

which to me is exactly as above. Where am I wrong?

I usually finish all my sections in time. However, I rarely have enough time to check over my “starred” questions. The way how I skip is that if I feel that time is sinking, I choose one of the two or three answer choices left, after POE, and move on. I know that some people leave them blank, but I do not feel comfortable doing this. Normally, I star 5-7 questions per section, in which 3 - 4 questions end up being the right answer choices.

Recently, I watched Allison’s webinar on hitting 170+, and she talked about pushing yourself to allow at least 5 minutes at the end of a section (she was mainly talking about LR, but I feel that this could apply to RC as well) to go over the circled questions.

How does one go about doing this?

Thank you in advance!

Is there something I am perhaps missing in my studying? To just go over the lessons regarding logic games in the core curriculum takes a few days, and, unfortunately, almost every time I'm faced with a new game with no guidance it's as if I don't retain any of the information, and basically have to start out at square one - even though I've drilled many different games repetitively until I've "memorized the inferences" under the proper time time constraints. It's frustrating to think that despite spending entire days devoted to studying for the LSAT at times, I've essentially wasted my time and efforts because my performance doesn't seem to be improving with this section. Over the span of 3 PTs my score has only improved by 5 points, and I'm sure it's because logic games seem to be so inscrutable to me. I'm starting to feel that my energy on logic games is most likely futile at this point and I would have done better to just skip over it in favor of improving my skills with logical reasoning, which seems a lot more straight forward. I can't get that time back though, and now I'm most likely going to have to reschedule my LSAT exam for later in the year. Scheduling so soon was probably very overly optimistic. I just didn't think they would still be such a challenge after devoting so much time into them, I really expected to see an improvement. Any suggestions on what I can do beyond drilling games to the memorize inferences? Or suggestions as to why it's not seeming to work? It's very worrying because the concepts just seem to build and build on top of one another and I can't seem to develop much confidence. Even though there are identifiable types of logic games, they - so far - seem far from uniform, and I can't seem to get them down to a system although I've really tried.

Any help is appreciated.

Looking to confirm my thinking on the below. Thanks!

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/or-but-not-both/

From this lesson:

Alan or Chris go to the park. (/A-->C)

And

Alan and Chris cannot both go to the park. (A-->/C)

I'm interested in diagramming these statements in relation to the third idea in the sentence, in this case "go to the park," as (P).

With "A or C go to the park" I would diagram as follows:

A-->P

C-->P

With "A and C cannot both go to the park" I would diagram as follows:

P --> /A or /C which can be diagrammed as P-->(A-->/C)

Now to link up the two statements:

A-->P-->(A-->/C)

I'm getting "If Alan goes to the park, then Chris does not go to the park."

Alternatively:

C-->P-->(C-->/A)

I'm getting "If Chris goes to the park, then Alan does not go to to the park."

I stopped studying for the LSAT back in January after a year of 8hr study days and little progress. I went through the Blueprint curriculum and read the PowerScore bibles, but never hit my target score. I've been thinking of getting back into it now that I have a full-time job, but I don't want to put my hopes into another prep course if it won't deliver. What different things in LR and RC does 7sage offer that the others don't exactly?

Thanks,

I'm curious if anyone has a good way to handle group 3 indicators "unless" or "until." In English these are often used to heavily imply an EXCLUSIVE or relationship, but in logic they only give us an inclusive or.

Example: I will go golfing (G) unless it rains (R).

Applying our group 3 translation rules strictly, we arrive at: "/R --> G" and the contrapositive "/G-->R"

Translating the above statements back into English,

"If it is not raining, I will go golfing," and "If I am not golfing then it is raining."

That is fine. The trouble comes when you try to reason from the fact that it is raining. In our common understanding of the above original statement if we knew it was raining, then we would be inclined to say the person is not golfing. However, that is not correct based on our translations.

More frustrating is the idea that this person could be golfing in the rain as nothing prevents R AND G from being together. That is the essence of inclusive or and is the possibility that is implicitly ruled out in our natural reading of the statement. Obviously, we can't apply a conversational implicature on the LSAT and we have to obey a strict logical understanding. I can easily imagine a question giving us the original statement and then supplying an answer choice that says "It is raining, therefore you are not golfing."

I would be grateful if anyone has a way to explain the possibility of the inclusive or outcome in the original statement by giving an example in which this person could be golfing in the rain and such outcome is acceptable.

Logically I understand the possibility, but making it more intuitive by having an example in mind would greatly help.

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It's interesting to note that the implicature of exclusive or seems to be most strong in statements of "until" involving time and "unless" involving things such as the weather. The possibility of an inclusive outcome is easier to understand on a different example.

I will be angry (A) with you unless you clean your room (CR).

/A --> CR "If I am not angry with you, then you cleaned your room"

/CR-->A "If you did not clean your room, then I am angry"

I believe we all still see the possibility that I could be angry with you and you cleaned your room. Maybe you didn't do your homework, etc. That makes it fairly obvious that we can't conclude the condition of your room from my anger. I'm wondering what that "other 'cause'" might be for the golfing example.

Thanks!

I am looking to find a place on 7sage (preferably a pdf document) that has all of the 9 valid argument forms written out. Is there a pdf of these? Thanks!

Hi all, I just joined minutes ago. I am really loving this website. I always watched 7Sage's Youtube channel but never checked their website.

I was wondering if anyone would know when the June 2016 exam will be released by LSAC for us to use it as a practice test. Please let me know if you have any idea :)

Hi guys.

This is my first post and I was hoping I could get some feedback as the June 2016 exam is approaching.

My background: I've take the LSAT officially three times. Yes, I know. The first two times were December 2013 and February 2014, both soon after I graduated college in May of 2013 and I was desperate to start law school right away. I took a course and just wasn't prepared. I held off and took the June 2015 exam and didn't do any better even after so much studying so I decided to put it off again for the following year.

Now, I've been studying for this upcoming exam for about six months and finally got my score into the mid 150s; my goal is 160. One day it just clicked and I became super motivated to simply practice and perfect the last few areas I could to attain my desired score. I was even able to figure out how to get a higher score than 160. However, I took an exam a few days ago and scored 147. Granted I was tired from a long day of work and days of studying but this has completely killed my motivation.

I've put this exam off way too many times I simply want to get it over. Putting this exam off for October will delay starting school for another full year.

So my question is, should I take this exam in June as planned being as though I am so near by desired score and if so, how do I regain my confidence?

Thanks to everyone who took the time to read and to those who take the time to reply. Best of luck!

Hi everyone,

At the end of this long journey of applying to law school, I've had the misfortune of second-guessing myself. I got accepted with no scholarship at NYU, but in the past few days the thought of incurring so much debt has felt daunting. I'm not horribly debt averse, but sticker price just seems overwhelming. My goal is to pursue a career in public interest law, so NYU has been my dream school for the past two years. I thought I could do BigLaw for 2-3 years, pay down as much as I could in that time, and then transition into public interest. With NYU's generous LRAP program, I thought I'd be able to handle the remaining debt. But as @"Jonathan Wang" stated in a previous post, 10 years is an extremely long time and my interests and goals could change drastically in the meantime.

With strong softs and an acceptable GPA, I'm confident that the only reason I haven't been offered financial aid at NYU and have been waitlisted at my other top choices is because of my LSAT score.

I had originally planned on applying to law school in 2014, but postponed in order to re-take the LSAT. Now I'm wondering, should I continue working another year and re-take and re-apply in the fall? I think I'd need to increase my score about 4 points in order to get generous financial aid from Chicago/Columbia or get accepted into HYS.

When I took the LSAT last time in October, I felt like I hadn't reached my full potential on the LSAT. However, I'm afraid that taking the LSAT a fourth time is very risky; what if my score decreases, stays the same, or only increases one or two points? Should I just count my blessings and go to NYU this fall?

What do you guys think? You guys have always been supportive and helpful in the past; any thoughts/advice would be greatly appreciated :)

Hey everyone,

So I decided to drill some full length sections of LR this weekend, now that I am done with the core curriculum and starting to PT. I did both LR sections from PT 1 only to find that there are no video explanations. Am I looking in the wrong place?

I feel that this question categorizes more as a MoR, or MISC, than a Flaw/Descriptive.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-35-section-4-question-07/

Although we were determining the argument’s “flaw”, we had to choose an answer choice that summarized the attorney’s flawed “Reasoning”, not its actual flaw. The correct answer choice is exceedingly different from the normal flaw a.c.

If this question wasn’t categorized under flaw drills, I think more people would have gotten this answer correctly, especially because we’ve already established a strong foundation for MoR questions.

Regardless, I should be more careful by reading the question stem more meticulously.

Anybody having issues getting to the webinar videos on a tablet? I can access them just fine on my phone and laptop. When on the tablet I click discussion and I'm immediately directed to the forum. I don't have enough time to select any other options from the drop down menu. When selecting categories from the righ hand side and then webinars I can only see the announcement for the webinars that were posted in the forum. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. I found a link someone posted and I was able to access the videos from there. Just wondering if I can figure this out.

Hey everyone,

I've been on and off the 7Sage course for a while and am currently taking a live in person course near where I live and supplementing with 7Sage. I am scheduled to write in June.

I work 2 jobs basically equaling full time and am dealing with mental health problems and being properly medicated... So needless to say it's been hectic.

I've done a few PTs, my accuracy in LG is 90% but everywhere else I'm bombing it. My PT score is bouncing around 147-149 - I want to be in the high 150's or even 160.

Anyways, here comes the curve ball... My parents would kick my rear end if I changed my test date, only cause I live at home still and well, you know how that goes.... So I'm going to be essentially wasting away this LSAT chance. I keep telling them I'm not ready but noopeeeee I get the "you're 25, get your life together" talk.

I know a lot of you will say, postpone your test date! But I don't feel as if I have an option without causing family conflict. So, say I bomb this June test, when should I realistically plan to take the LSAT again? I'm thinking December to be properly prepared- but any advice welcome!

How do some of you do it? Balance everything, with prepping for this test?

Thanks so much.

Chels

Hey,

So I'm taking the June LSAT. My LR score is great, LG is steadily rising, but my RC score fluctuates on a consistent basis. My plan was to take a PT from here on out, every day or at least every other day. But I really need to solidify my RC score. Any tips of advice on what to do here?

I am having some difficulty on strengthening questions that do not use causal reasoning. I am getting nearly all the weakening questions right because I am in the mindset of contradicting the assumptions made in the argument. However, for strengthening questions, should I look for an answer choice that strengthens the underlying assumption? Alternatively, will an answer choice that only states the assumption strengthen the argument?

My logical reasoning was terrible, and I ran out of time for games. Has this happened to anyone else?

Hello 7Sage community,

I am calling on my bay area natives. Where ya at!? I'm looking to start a small study group, or if we have enough people maybe even a small community. I'm prepping for the September 2016 LSAT and plan on studying Full Time during the summer. If you plan on taking it in September and want to meet at a coffee shop or something give me a DM and maybe we can get a group going!

I am currently studying for the June 2016 LSAT and have been studying for 3 months. I desperately want a 170 on the LSAT but the last practice test I took I got a 162 missing roughly 4-6 questions per section. Is it possible to increase my score by 8 points in the next 24 days if I aim for 6-8 hours a day 4-5 days a week? And at least 1 hour every day? My practice tests have steadily increased beginning at a 149 then going from that to: 150, 152, 154, 154, 156, 162.

As I've finished the curriculum, I'm beginning to heavily invest my time in fool-proofing. My big question is: should I drill extensively on categorized games (i.e. grouping, sequencing, in-out) or should I take a broader random game approach?

I worry that I'd lose some of the practice I'd gained in grouping games if I spend a few weeks on sequencing games specifically. It also just seems easier to start with PT 1 and go in order rather than sorting through all my PT PDFs for the right game at the right time.

I plan to first work by way through all LGs from 1-36 and then move onto more recent LG's once I've taken the clean PT.

Thank you for your thoughts on this! :)

I just found a copy of PT74 I bought from CambridgeLSAT awhile ago. It looks like it's got 5 sections, with the 3rd section labeled as (PT-A) on the Answer Key page. There is no label to indicate whether this section came from another PT.

Are there more than 4 LSAT sections? Many different test centers get different combinations? Or am I missing something here?

Thanks for the thoughts

BR calls are great covering LR but RC does not really lend itself to a true BR process.

For me, RC is inconsistent varying on my ability to either parse out heavily convoluted text or to recognize the inferences within the passage. Given everyone's different backgrounds with different strengths, I am hoping to find a group to break down the weekly BR PT passages with a quick review of questions. Maybe macro summary of the passages mirroring the 8+ minutes we have per passage?

I know that I would greatly benefit from different perspectives on how to relate to a passage and gain wisdom from different thought processes on how to strategically read passages that are difficult for me.

If anyone is interested, please share any ideas of how to build a study group!

http://futurism.com/artificially-intelligent-lawyer-ross-hired-first-official-law-firm/

Once Sky-net takes over, I'm just imagining poor Ross having nothing to do. In a post-apocalypse, a bankruptcy attorney AI would probably be useless.

Admin Note: These stats were updated on 2022-01-08.

That question came up in a recent discussion thread and we were curious. So, we ran the numbers using data from PT 58 through current. Results:

Logical Reasoning, all questions (1 omitted)

A 337 18.95%

B 375 21.09%

C 365 20.53%

D 367 20.64%

E 334 18.79%

Total 1778

Logic Games, all questions (1 omitted)

A 179 20.55%

B 180 20.67%

C 173 19.86%

D 172 19.75%

E 167 19.17%

Total 871

Reading Comprehension, all questions

A 181 18.64%

B 223 22.97%

C 185 19.05%

D 201 20.70%

E 181 18.64%

Total 971

Logical Reasoning, last five questions

A 68 16.19%

B 88 20.95%

C 79 18.81%

D 89 21.19%

E 96 22.86%

Total 420

Logic Games, last five questions

A 47 20.61%

B 47 20.61%

C 46 20.18%

D 46 20.18%

E 42 18.42%

Total 228

Reading Comprehension, last five questions

A 31 14.35%

B 59 27.32%

C 35 16.20%

D 47 21.76%

E 44 20.37%

Total 216

Now that you have this information, what do you do with it? Not much. It's mostly to satisfy your curiosity. Some of you might be tempted to use this information to guess on future LSATs. Hopefully, you won't be in a situation where you have to blindly guess across all five answers. If you end up in that situation however, then sure, this is probably as good a guide as any to which answer to guess. As I've said numerous times before though, the LSAT writers are very crafty.