Hey guys, little background information, I studied for LSAT for six months during which I finished the syllabus, did couple of PT and did the Bundle that increased my score from below 148 (not timed) to 151(timed). But had to go back to uni for three months to get my GPA up. Now I am free and have until December to take the LSAT and need a 155-157 to get in. I will be studying for LSAT full time from now until December, I do not know where should I start? Should I finish the trainer, do a quick review of syllabus or start doing PTs and BR? I appreciate it if you could tell me what do you think.

Update: Thanks for your amazing responses, everyone. I’ve been pouring through them, trying to figure out how I would choose from such worthy and gripping accounts, when I finally realized I don’t have to choose. I’m going to change the format instead.

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When it’s your turn, I’ll ask you to unmute your mic. Everyone else should stay muted.

I’ll end the webinar after an hour. If someone doesn’t show up, I’ll skip her, so it’s hard to say how far down the list I’ll get.

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Hi there.

I have been preparing for LSAT for 2 weeks and my progress right now is that I finished the Powerscore Bible of LR and also the relevant part of 7sage and I have also done around 8 PTs. So as I practice the LR with the PT, I try to finish the section in 35 mins but if I do that, then I am always around -8. However, if I do take my time and finish it around 45mins then I am around -4. So my question is that, what should be the main concern for me right now, to get more right answers or to try to finish the section in time? Or is there any other right things to do that I am missing right now? Thanks!

So I'm in a bit of a situation, I have taken the LSAT in June and I was approved for accommodations for that exam. I registered to take the LSAT again in September and I was approved again for accommodations the same accommodations that were given in June. But I had a recent check up with my neurologist and my condition has gotten progressively worse than before and he wrote me a letter for my University about my disability telling them I need many more accommodations to guarantee my safety as well as fairness when I go back to school. He also wrote me a letter for the LSAC to add more accommodations including supervised bathroom break. I have a history of seizures and when I have a seizure I fall down and usually hit my head ( I had a seizure during my June LSAT when I used the bathroom but I sucked it up and went on taking the exam). I was wondering how can I make the changes necessary to guarantee a fair testing environment for myself given my unfortunate condition? Thank you!

So regardless if I take a timed or untimed test, I only get half of the logical reasoning questions right. The first 10-12 I get right and then it goes downhill. Does this mean that my foundation and understanding for logical reasoning is not good enough? Problem is I feel confident about a lot of my answers :/. Please help me in how I can improve my poor logical reasoning scores!

I have the LSAT starter, which has assigned for me PTs to take that are difficult to find (or find at reasonable prices. I have followed links provided, but it seems prices have become extraordinarily inflated, especially for those PTs in the 40s---I have managed to get a Manhattan book that has organized the 40s exams by q-type). I am also a re-taker, but the first time(s) I did not exhaust my PT's...I have the 70s, some 60s, some 50s, and some 30s available (about 28 exams total) fresh PTs left. Could/should I substitute those, instead of the suggested? I realize I miss out on video explanations though.

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Maybe I should just spill my case/experience thus far, and perhaps this community can cringe and provide advice/best procedures.

Ok, I took the LSAT twice. First time: canceled after taking the exam. Second time: entered the exam having slept 0 hours. Yes, I had insomnia and incredible anxiety because, in the depths of my being, I knew I was unprepared. But! I didn't cancel because I didn't want to "cancel twice." I exited with a 159 (oof, it hurts). This is after months of "studying." I have read through the LSAT Trainer 3x, Manhattan LG, LR books 3x, Powerscore LG, LR books 2x. I took PT's here and there, without real BR (so I can't reliably provide where I was scoring--I sadly didn't have much of a system except, try to do one at least twice a week or more, until the exam). I've technically been "studying" since the beginning of 2015. After the June exam, this past month, I finally made (what I believe, the good) decision to join 7SAGE. But not before making another mistake: I'm registered for the September exam.

So, quite a clusterF, as some would say. My greatest weakness is LR. With LG, I'm spotty, but I feel it's graspable with more practice, repetition, etc. I'm usually confident in RC, but it's not down to a hard science. I have my days. Is any of this useful? Gives me so much anxiety writing my failures down (and reading how hard I have failed).

Eek. Help!

When the question asks: "which exhibits a pattern of reasoning most closely similar?" indicating a Parallel question, is it implicitly given to us that the stimulus contains a valid argument? Or can we not assume that? Just wanted to make sure because I think that would help me eliminate answer choices (that contain invalid arguments) quicker.

This is in contrast to Parallel Flaw, which explicitly states "which exhibits a pattern of *flawed* reasoning...?"

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My fellow 7Sagers!

I just took my first PT after curriculum and experienced a +15pt increase! My diagnostic was 143. My goal is 165.

Any advice on how I can move from PT to PT and see even greater improvement? I'm trying to maximize the next two months (September 24 is game day). Obviously don't mind surpassing my goal score! :) #WhateverItTakes

Hi, I'm consistently having problems with the Social Science and Law sections in the reading comprehension sections. I score almost perfect on my Humanities and Natural Science sections, but I can't seem to get more than 2 or 3 right within the two other areas. I was hoping there was some kind of strategy or method of thinking that I could try and incorporate that would help me within Social Science and Law.

If anyone has any good tips that would be awesome.

Today I completed over 8 LR problem sets and 8 logic games. Each problem set takes me ~30-60 minutes with blind review and all :P Quantity wise, I feel like I'm not getting a lot done, but quality wise, I believe that I'm refining my critical thinking skills through this thorough process. So, how much LSAT material do you get through on an average day? :)

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I understand why "A" is correct but still cannot arrive at why "E" is incorrect. My thought was that "E" allowed for the possibility that instead of not believing the testimony, some just did not find the testimony (which may have been one that implicated the defendant) significant enough to render a guilty verdict. In other words, all members of the jury could have believed the testimony, yet some may not have viewed it as significant enough to decide on a guilty verdict.

Does "E" just not draw upon the flaw in the reasoning behind the conclusion from the premises?

I was close to understanding this in last night's BR call, though I think I still need more input to clear my mind up on this.

Thanks in advance!

I did this question twice in a span of about 3-4 weeks. I got it wrong both times.

So what I did was diagram the stimulus:

TT-->OM-->OD

S-m->OM

OM=Older than Maples

OD=Older than Dogwoods

A) I eliminated because there is no relationship between dogwoods and tulip trees

B) We don't know anything about the youngest sycamores only about the sycamores that are older than dogwoods

C) I picked this when I did it last night. I actually thought it was correct because we know that most sycamores are older than dogwoods, so there must be some that are either younger or the same age as dogwoods. I guess this is wrong because of "oldest dogwoods" am I correct?

D) Similar to A there is no relationship that can be said between tulip trees and sycamores

E) same as D

Can someone help me. Clearly my reasoning is incorrect somewhere because I got this question wrong not once, but twice. I am incredibly grateful to whoever can help me understand this problem!

Hi guys,

Just wondering if anybody in Korea is planning on taking the September 2016 exam. Would be great to combine forces to study. As background, Ive been out of college for a few years and have been working since. I am taking a break now from my job to study for the LSATs and have been studying from January this year. Would be great to take mock exams with similar students and keep each other in check! Lemme know if anyone is interested. Cheers

Unfortunately, I have ALREADY registered for my Sept exam but I won't be able to get the score I want by Sept. Things didn't work out according to plan and I really don't know what to do.

My originally plan was to take about 20-30 PTs before my first actual exam, but as of now, I'm only able to drill by section to increase my speed. I miss about 5-6 questions in LR and have 6 minutes left before the last logic game. I'm not able to read all 4 RC passages and even the ones I do get to read, I get 1-3 wrongs per passage. RC is my worst nightmare and I don't know whether keep drilling it will increase my speed. But when I redo all of the above sections untimed during my BR, I get 85%-100% right. They are not really hard to solve and understand when I don't do them under timed conditions (except for the hardest RC passages) but I get stressed out, nervous, and rush through questions during timed conditions that I don't get to understand some sentences and overlook some key words. For instance, there is always at least one weirdly worded rule in logic games that makes me freeze and hurt my confidence to solve questions accurately. That disappointment and fear have psychological impact on my performance and makes me keep doubt whether I indeed translated the rest of the rules accurately. Overall, it frustrates me that there are many questions that are solvable but I just can't do them properly and accurately because I THINK I don't have enough time and I ACTUALLY don't have enough time. So I came to the conclusion that it's more practical of me to raise my LR and LG speed & score to compensate for my weak RC skills given the amount of time I got.

With these timing issues to overcome, I need to begin my PTing phase next week. I don't think doing about 15 PTs will be enough of practice before the actual test. Ideally, I want to take about 35-40 PTs, but realistically, it's unfeasible by Sept. I'm pretty sure I won't reach in the low 160s by Sept (especially due to this huge timing issue with RC) but I need at least high160s to apply to my dream schools. So I'm thinking of taking the Sept test to just get the experience of taking the exam with many people under stressful conditions and cancelling the score right after the test to not leave any record of unwanted score. I will keep on studying after the first exam, and hopefully by Dec, I will get enough practice with all of my 3 sections (especially RC) to reach my target score and take the Dec exam with no plan of cancelling the score. And by Jan/early Feb, I will be ready to send my applications to my dream schools. Even if I really screw up my Dec exam, I will be able to take one last exam in Feb. I also don't intend to apply for 2018 admission and take any more exams after Feb. I must apply for the fall 2017 admission.

So I'm not sure whether postponing the test date (by paying $90) is a good idea because that would mean losing money and the chance to experience what it's really like taking the exam at the test center. Similarly, if I get a refund, I only get $50 back and I lose the chance to practice under actual test conditions. In my country, I'm not able to even enter the classrooms where the test will be taken because I'm not one of the school's students, doors are closed, classes are being held, and etc. I won't have the opportunity to practice at the test center like some people can abroad. I actually went to the test center in June to check out and get some info on the test center and one of the people who are in charge of administering the exam explicitly told me that I can't enter any of the rooms to practice. She asked me why I'm being so sensitive about the exam. Um...ok. I may be a sensitive person but I mean isn't this supposed to be a serious exam? Haha.

Anyway, the only concern I have about cancelling the score is what if it in anyway hurts my application? If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

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Has this ever happened? Also, how frequent are combination games ?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-75-section-4-game-4/

I'm so confused with the rule "Any feature occupying more than one slot must occupy consecutively numbered slots."

Could anyone list all (or some if all is impossible) possibilities of this rule?

I thought it just means,

it there are multiple Xs, it would be XX.

But it seems there are other possibilities other than this...the part "consecutively" bothers me.

It seems XXYYX is correct as well, but I thought this is wrong bc the last X is there by itself. (It should be XXXYY isn't it?)

I already watched the video but still it bothers me :(

An argument states that: Maria won this year's sailboat race by beating Sue, who has in each of the four last years. We can conclude from this that Maria trained hard.

Premise: Maria won this year by beating Sue who won the last 4 years

Conclusion: Maria trained hard.

I was between these two answers and chose the first one incorrectly:

1. If Maria trained hard, she would win the sailboat race

2. Maria could beat a four time winner only if she trained hard

The explanation says that the first one (the one I picked) is a mistaken reversal, but how am I supposed to know how to conditionally diagram this??

Why couldn't it be diagrammed as if maria trained hard she won, instead of if maria won she trained hard?

How do you diagram unless, except, only if, and if but only if?

Especially unless, I'm super confused. I have been told to negate the left statement but then others say that's wrong. Also what are you supposed to do with statements like: Unless I get an A, I will not go out tonight....? HELP I HATE CONDITIONAL LOGIC

I am totally lost on this question. What I did was diagram :

--L ---> --C

C --> L

I picked E because it had the word many in it, and I thought from the first sentence it was being consistent. Initially, I was thinking D because of "some" but then I thought well the first sentence has "many" so I should be congruent.

I'm really lost and cannot figure this out. If someone could help me out, I would be most appreciative!

Hi guys so I have noticed while going through the SA and PSA questions that the answer choice must have the conclusion in the necessary condition. This is very important for me as I often miss answers because of this. Can anyone expand on the theory and understanding behind this and why it occurs. That would help me out a lot. Thanks in advance :)

So I just have a quick question about percentiles. On the june LSAT I scored a 158 and on the LSAC website, it's says that's the 74th percentile. In comparing the 74th percentile with other conversion tables that is a 160 to a 161. I know the conversion chart varies from year to year, so I was wondering how do law schools look at your score. Do they see you as a 158 or do they see you as the 74th percentile or maybe they take both of these factors into consideration? May someone please clarify this for me?

as the title mentioned i was curious to know when the When do the June 2016 LSAT questions get released as a preptest to practice with?