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Hey All,

I've been taking PTs in order (starting from the ancients working up through the 30s). As I'm progressing, I'm noticing a decrease in my score, and it's occurred to me that it's probably because LSAC has implemented some changes in the 2000s. Reading some other discussions, it seems that there are certain focuses that change in the tests as they get newer. I'm wondering if a better strategy would be to mix them up (take a 30 one week, then a 40, then a 50, etc.)? Or should I continue to work on the older ones as I learn and improve my score and save the newer (more relevant) ones for when I get closer to test day?

Thoughts?

(Also, side note- if I have questions on a certain LR question, where can I go to get people's input? I've been commenting on JY's explanatory videos, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion going on there. Considering I've been taking older tests, it doesn't seem that the BR Groups will help me at the moment either.)

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Hi guys,

Question is here: https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/prehistoric-paintings-weaken-question/

So just to dive deeper and solidify foundation, I tried to translate this question into a logic framework and I wrote it below. Please see if it is done correctly

~Carbon-->Age (if there is no carbon, then we can determine its age)

~Limestone with paint-->~sample (If we there is no limestone with paint, then there is no sample)

~Sample-->~Age (if there is no sample, then we cannot determine its age)

And combine everything together we have: ~Limestone--->~Sample--->~Age-->Carbon

Did I translate it correctly? It feels weird.

Thanks,

Panda

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Hi Gents and ladies,

Just a curious note on a confusion that I have. Question is here: https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/serious-medical-condition-weaken-question/

I knew C is the one to support, but isn't A something wrong too?

In the lecture, JY says don't question the premise, but isn't A doing just that? There are study that confirms it and there is this 1 study that is recent which doesn't. Isn't this an attack?

Some clarifications will do wonders.

Thanks,

Panda

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Hey guys! For those studying at work what are you reviewing? I'm specifically referring to studying at your desk. I currently have a stack of index cards that I go through throughout the day. This is getting very OLD for me! Is anyone doing something different? I'm looking for something pretty discreet. No open books on desks or playing videos on phones. I do that on my lunch break. I can listen to audio, but nothing that requires looking at the screen. Anybody?

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Hey 7Sagers!

I'm usually a pretty positive person, but being this close to the December LSAT and seeing my score fluctuate (usually anywhere between 2-5 points) is starting to drive me nuts. In need of a good pep talk!

How do you guys deals with lower scores in your PTs? I try to learn from them and take them as a positive feedback to acknowledge what I need to work on, but get very, very frustrated and discouraged whenever I don't see an increase in my score after drilling and BRing like crazy.

I was hoping to see a steady increase in my score leading up towards December, but it hasn't quite happened yet (have only seen an increase in my BR score and am having trouble closing that gap).

Your input and kind words are much appreciated, as always!

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I was able to speak with one of the test writers at a LSAC forum and wanted to share:

I asked this test writer if there was a reason why LSAC is throwing "odd ball" games at us more often. He informed me that LSAC is aware of the mechanical approach test prep companies teach their students and worry this is defeating the purpose of the section. He realizes that most students may wonder, "Why am I solving games with animals?? I want to be a lawyer!" The purpose of the LG section is to prepare us to read a set of facts and determine what must be true, what can be true, and what must be false. Much like how we'll read statutes such as the infamous U.S. Tax Code and have to determine what's required, what's allowed, and what's forbidden. If you keep this in mind, you'll never be caught off guard.

Hope this sheds some light!

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I am currently wondering if Lsat hacks is worth the investment and whether or not it's similar to 7sage explanations. Have you gained anything from LSAT hacks that you did not gain from other prep material?

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Is there a chance that one of the live lightning consultations could be posted as a webinar? I think it'll give insight to the flow of the call and the types of questions and situations that can be addressed during the call. I also think that it'll probably answer or at least help those with similar situations.

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Tuesday, Oct 25, 2016

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Virus game

Since the day of the exam, people have been discussing the dreaded "virus game" What kind of game was it ? What made it so difficult?

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Hi,

How to use the PT you have already done efficiently?

Even the last time you did it is a couple of month ago, if you did BR throughoutly,

you must remember some essense from it right?

How to use PT second time efficiently?

Or if you finish new PT, it is better to do older ones?(ones you have not seen yet)

Do you re-watch JY's explanation?

Thanks

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Hey guys, I am currently reading thru the Trainer to enhance 7sage CC, while I find the vast majority of the content are extremely consistent to our CC, there are yet a few things in the Trainer I was just like "wut?" In other words, kinda contradicting to what i'v learned so far. Maybe It was just me not understanding it correctly, so I went back to our CC to double check and here is what have:

In our CC the logical indicator "only" is group 2,which introduces necessary condition.

Example in our CC: Only fish swim: S -> F Contro: /F-->/S

Trainer example: I only work on Tuesdays. Sarah only date funny boys.

So I translated them as: T --> W and F --> D, but the answer is: W --> T and D --> F, which it does make sense in sensical ways, but I'm trying understand what i did wrong there in terms of applying the translation rules of "only"? What makes W and D a sufficient condition in this case despite the fact that they are following "only" like how we would translate "Only fish swim".

Another one in Trainer: "All employees must wash their hands" which translates as E --> W. Nothing controversial here, but then it further states that another way of indicating this would be "Employees are required to wash their hands" and "require to" informs of what must the consequence of being an employee, which is W (wash hands). In other words, W is the necessary condition.

Example in our CC: "Practice is required to be a skilled artist" which translates as SA --> P, for P is "required" hence necessary condition. which I totally understand and agree, and this has been the way I was trained, but wouldn't that make "Employees are required to wash their hands" translate as: W ---> E as opposed to the other way around demonstrated in the Trainer? What is going on here? I'm sure it's me so what did I do wrong here? :D

Last one I promise lol how would you guys translate "All animals other than whales love music"? I translated it as W ---> /M (If one is a whale then one doesn't love music, if one loves music, one is not a whale) and the answer is W/ ---> M.

Thanks so much in advance fellow 7sagers, any clarification would be much appreciated!

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Hi everyone,

Sort of a long question. TL;DR: How strongly can I lean on my good graduate GPA vs my weaker undergraduate GPA when looking at places to apply?

For the sake of argument let's assume that my LSAT score is at, or slightly above a given school's median... Now for the background.

My undergraduate GPA (converting it from UK grades using an online tool) is a disappointing 3.64. However my graduate GPA (also converted with the same tool) for my recently completed Master's Degree is 3.95, which will go up to 3.98 if my thesis comes back at my expected grade come November. I got my 2 degrees at 2 different universities, but both are members of the Russell Group (sort of the UK equivalent to the Ivy League, except maybe less prestigious). Basically it's not the case that I simply got the better grades somewhere less rigorous, I just developed a lot between degrees. For what it's worth I also did a full credit undergraduate class at Harvard one year during my undergrad as part of their summer school program, for which I got an A.

This 3.64 UGPA is at or below the 25th percentile for most T14 schools. However, that's is in the past and my most recent GPA from graduate school would put me in almost any school's 75th percentile. I'm almost certain my undergraduate GPA will hold me back somewhat, but I'm wondering if I should I let it entirely put me off applying to places where it's below the median, given that my graduate GPA is so much better? In other words, is it unreasonable of me to think that my graduate GPA can make up for a slightly weak undergraduate GPA?

Thanks!

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7Sage has to be one of the most remarkable communities I have had the privilege to be a part. I was so stressed and burnt out last week that my hair was falling out and had to completely dis-engage from the LSAT. Just returning tonight, my heart is full and more tears are falling down my face for the love and appreciation for all of my friendships.

The inspiration that you have given me has solidified my decision to register for December knowing that you can achieve so much more when you have a community of support. I didn't change my gravatar from a "snail" to "scrappy doo" for nothing! If I have any hair left after Dec/Feb test dates, I will post a picture of myself:)

Here is what happened to me so wake up and learn from my mistakes!!!

The week prior to the test – I wrote down my guestimate of a realistic breakdown knowing that RC and hard NA/Weaken LR's were my Achilles heel.

LR -4, LR-4, RC -6/7, LG -0/1

Which would have placed me in the mid-160’s range and with a plan to work on the weaknesses for Dec.

I scored 160... Kicker is - I GOT the Virus Game correct but how do you recover from -11 on RC???

I have been breaking down the analytics of the test and here is what I have found so far…

My actual scores:

LR -7, RC -11, LR -6, Exp, LG -3

- One thing I know for sure is that my prep did not provide the stamina required for test day.

- LR1: I hit a rough patch starting at Q17 thru Q24 missing 6/8, lost focus and confidence

- RC: The Aileen Gray passage -3, but the kicker is time management, -6 of last 7 Q’s

- LR2: Missed 3/4 Q9-12 and then 3/4 Q19-22 Need to evaluate Q Types or figure out why the clusters of misses

- LG: Stupid mistake G2, missed 2 stupid G3 b/c I raced thru it to work on Virus Game with it having 6 Q’s & had miscue resetting watch so had no reference of time on the section for pacing

I smiled when I got my score because I actually took the LSAT and scored 80th percentile - however big huge crocodile tears were falling down my face out of sadness that I hadn’t gotten closer to the mid-160’s. I desperately needed a break after all the stress of the past few months compounded by a lot of personal stress with my family. But it is funny that my brain needs to be challenged and I have been playing around with LG games and my favorite LR question types from misc pages I had already printed. Yeah, I know, everyone says I “ain’t right” with how I choose to relax, heehee.

Last Wednesday, it felt like I had a bucket of ice water poured over my head and I just need to center myself. It has taken some time away to regroup and figure out if I can increase my score to the higher 160’s when I really need a low 170 to go to law school. With the help of this incredible community, I believe in ALL of us to try to achieve our highest abilities.

Thank you for your support to not give up and if I can provide any info on my personal experience, please let me know. One thing I promise, no matter what happens, I will learn to not get so over-stressed that it makes me remove myself from a community I care about and will be there for all of you as you continue your prep.

Love you all,

T

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I noticed that at the bottom of LG questions there are keywords... can we search for these keywords?

For example, I want to work on games that have the But not Both rule... and that is a keyword that is highlighted. Is it possible to search for that?

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Hey everyone!

Decided to write in February again. Thought I was doing well with the BR method prior to writing in September. Managed to get down to about -4/5 per LR section (which is okay for my goal score) however I ended up losing several more points per LR section than expected on PT79.

Was hoping to get input on additional prep materials for this section? (I will continue to use the BR method in the meantime).

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Hello 7sagers,

I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to increase your speed on the logic reasoning test portion. I have been studying this section rigorously for months and it is my favorite section . However, even though I understand and can get the correct answer each time untimed I still have yet to master getting 15 correct on the timed section . Any advice ? I'm not sure if I'm nervous or if there is something I can do to help bridge the gap between me taking forever to realize I know the steps .

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