Hey guys,

So I've done 21 PTs now, and the one I just did today I got 161. My goal LSAT score is exactly 160+, and I've been getting that almost every time in the past 10 tests, and high 150s in the ones before that.

I have 5 LSATs left, and I'm wondering what I should do. I have basically reached my goal, and I honestly don't think I can even do any better. Take today for example, I did PT 66, and went -4 in games, -6 on both LRs, and -8 in RC. I literally guessed that those would be the scores as I was taking it, a -8 on RC is fairly good for me, and whenever I get that or under, I almost always do well on the actual PT.

-6 in LRs is another thing I don't think I can improve any further. I haven't done BR yet, but I most likely messed up one easy mark question due to topic context being confusing or mis-read, and the rest 5 were probably 5 star questions that I can't even get right during BR.

-4 in Games is something that I think I can fix, although I'm willing to bet one of those was a substitution and equivalence question that I just circled guessed and moved on. The rest of the wrong ones are from me rushing to get all the games done on time.

So what I'm really asking is what's the best way I can make use of the time I have left. I feel like if I do the remaining 5 PTs, they will be 160s, but is that really helping me for Oct? Maybe I should drill some of my weaknesses like RC and not do more?

Note I print off the entire LSAT over again for BR, and I generally average 167 for it, but regardless my actual PT score has been low 160s for as long as I can remember. Can't seem to get past it. I've heard that there is another transition when everything suddenly starts to click, but I feel like I'm just doing rinse repeat on every lsat.

I just need some guidance.

Does anyone have a preference to either? I have a hard time with translating vertical setups and am far more inclined to diagram horizontally.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-41-section-3-question-02/

I'm little confused about B.

The stimulus said Samantha likes both oolong and green tea and none of her friends likes both.

Doesn't it mean none of her friends like both oolong and green tea?

Since none of her friends likes oolong and green tea, shouldn't B be Must be false?

How is it possible B is could be true? What am I missing?

And if the stimulus said Samantha likes EITHER oolong OR green tea and none of her friends likes both, can B be Must be false?

Please someone explain me.

Thanks!

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I was hoping to receive some advice regarding law school apps. I was advised to apply to law school through Ontario Law School Application service (OLSAS), but found there are about only 7 law schools here. I was wondering about applying through Lsac. Do I reapply to the same law schools that I applied to through OLSAS, in Lsac? Any one familiar with submitting letters of recommendation through either OLSAS or LSAC? Thank you in advance!

Hi everyone,

Just finished the 7sage instruction curriculum. Now onto PTing: for the Dec exam, my plan was to go PT 36-75 every other day, and review some material on the days in between (or look at stuff like Trainer drills/flaw section). My diagnostic was not very high, 148, but I got a 154 the other day (yay for me...) anyways I was wondering if you guys think I should try to start at the lower pts, (before 36) ? I know JY says they're not really a good representation of the current exam but maybe it could help if I start a little lower and did a PT every day? What do you guys think? I'd appreciate the advice. And thanks everyone for the advice you've given so far. As you can tell I'm kind of an LSAT noob.

Very possibly a stupid question, but I notice all the logic games have tags under them to help you identify the game. Does that mean we can search for the games using these tags? I've printed copies of many games but don't remember where they come from, so searching for each game using the tags would be very helpful. I thought the search bar under the course syllabus might be for this, but that didn't work for me.

I started with a very low initial LSAT score 4 years ago (131). I studied it on and off for a few years but never took it seriously, it was just a side interest until about this year february. During those 4 years despite doing very little work I manage to raise my score to a low 150. Then I had a pretty good job but I now am taking a formal course in person in addition to 7sage. When I started my in person course in June I got a diagnostic and scored a 158 (pt 61), which was the same as my June Lsat Sore. Yesterday I wrote preptest 62 and got a 161, today I wrote pt 63 and got a 154, I found the LG and reading comp way harder on 63. That being said about 2 weeks ago I wrote pt 40 and got a 168. But to be fair, I had literally seen LR/argument on it except maybe 4/5 in the whole section. And I also seen every game in it and done it before plus the reading comps, some of them I kind of remembered too. I didn't really remember much of pt 62 or 63. As in I actually had to go through the process and would debate the answers like a real test.

I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I did score very highly in regular school graduating in the top 5% of my high school and my undergrad program which was a very competitive business program (think Ivy League). Most of my friends from high school and university are either bankers, doctors, lawyers, etc.

At this point I am wondering what I can do to improve my score more. I just found it very weird how it seems everyone else is so easily able to improve their score on the lsat going from 140s and 150s to high 160s, and I have to struggle studying much harder to get a far worse score.

Alot of the LR I get wrong comes from the fact that I don't understand the wording in the answer choice like when they are using double negations. Another set of it can come from when I don't understand the passage although, I am trying to fix that too by not going to the answer choice in practice until I understand the passage. When I do this untimed, I can pretty much get most of the questions, as in over 90% accuracy although some areas are less, just 75-80% maybe. And those wrong ones all have to do with tricky wording, or grammar tricks, or things that seem unclear as in could be argued either way, just depending on what the test writer wanted it to be.

I'm not sure if I should start trying to study logic or reading those weird non-fiction "Women's books" to try to understand the LSAT better. There is something strange that is throwing me off but it is hard for me to put the finger on it. I have a pretty good grasp of the methods to get the right answers.

Hi everyone, I'm hoping someone has some suggestions on the best way to drill/study/practice in order to improve speed. I finally feel really solid in my fundamentals. On my last PT (74), I scored a 168 with a BR of 176, which is typical of my most recent PTs (usually more of 169/BR173). I'm at the point where I'm understanding all the problems and most of my wrong answers are due to rushing/guessing when I'm running out of time, or just generally rushing through the section and making dumb mistakes. On a typical PT, I usually don't get to at least one question at the end of an LR section, and my last RC passage is usually started with only 6 minutes on the clock.

I know my biggest obstacle is time and that this will be fixed with more and more practice. I'm taking in October and have a lot of time (only working part-time) and have a lot of material left that I can use (Cambridge packets, PTs I've never taken, etc.).

Right now, I'm doing 2 recent PTs per week. What should I do as far as practice in addition to this? Should I drill questions in Cambridge packets so I can gain more familiarity and answer questions faster? Should I drill entire sections of old PTs? Should I give myself less than 35 minutes when drilling sections or taking PTs? Any help is so appreciated.

Thanks for any suggestions you may have! :)

I thought B was right during PT, but decided to try negating the answer choices during BR, and got distracted by C.

If you negate C, the gist of it would be that "optimism is NOT better than pessimism," which I think ruins the argument. If optimism is not better than pessimism, then why try to enable young people to believe in a better future? Or is it the "illusory vision" aspect of C that makes this irrelevant?

What am I missing here?

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It took me until the end of section one to realize that Bruce Wayne aka Batman is one of the proctors I'm able to choose.

What are the chances of getting any of the following included on the list??

Louis Armstrong

Barack Obama

Donald Trump

Gilbert Gottfried

Seth Rogan

Madeleine Albright

Clearly, I'm doing really great today.

I'm taking the quizzes in the SA section and one quiz is all biconditional questions and JY says to review the biconditional lesson. Except I have no idea where those are and I have doubled checked to make sure I didn't skip any lessons up til this point. Help!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-59-section-3-question-24/

Answer is E. What does this even mean? :O

E) "presumes,without providing justification, that 18 century European aesthetics is as encompassing as an aesthetic theory can be"

Hi all,

I started off with PS and left for a variety of reasons, and have just finished the 7sage curriculum (very happy with it). Two questions:

1. does anyone know what I could do with the PS materials? If there were any techniques they found helpful/parts of books they liked?

2. Starting with PT 36 tomorrow, any BR groups I can join? Was planning to take the October, but I think at this rate I'd have to do 2 practice exams a day to get there on time...I had a friend who did that but I'm not sure if it'd be very good for me.

Thanks for the help!

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I have a question on negation. On prep test 58 section 1 question 25. the line Handmade foundations are never found on wigs that do not use human hair. Is diagrammed as HF------>HH. Shouldn't it be ~HF ------> HH. It is group 4. So you pick an idea ~HH, you negate it ~HH --->HH AND MAKe it necessary. The other idea is the sufficient. So how do we end up with HF INSTEAD OF -HF?

Shouldn't it be

~HF ---> HH?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-58-section-1-question-25/

Hi! This could be a dumb question, sorry if this has an obvious answer.

So I took PT54 today, and according to the score sheet, I got a 157 actual/161 BR. This PT was out of 101 questions. I added up my incorrect answers and got RC -7, LR -15, LG -6 for 73 raw. On the BR, it was RC -5, LR -13, LG -1 for 82 raw. This is assuming that the answers I got correct in actual but wrong in BR still count towards the BR total (is that how it's calculated??). According to the raw conversion chart, shouldn't I be at a 159/165?

Is there a curve for the difficultly of the test that's lowering my score? I'm confused. I didn't see a breakdown for BR so I manually counted.

Thank you for the help!

Hi JY! I don't quite understand this answer choice as I eliminated option A and B as they mention water levels - which aren't specifically addressed by the passage. Could you please help me out with an explanation for this?

Hey Everyone,

I remember someone on TLS who recommended reading Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything" and it was not only fantastic but also helped me get acquainted with different topics in the sciences. Looking for a BOOK suggestion related to humanities/law that I can read in my spare time. Thanks!

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Doing some BR at the moment, and I am noticing that with adequate time, I am able to answer questions correctly during BR than under time constraints. Any advice?

Guys. Help. I can't finish a pt anymore. After 1 section I'm like...I can't right now. This happened Wednesday. Then today I came back to the same pt, I was like ok I'll do the next 4 sections proctored as if nothing happened. Did one section..and gave up. Wtf happened? I have never had this problem.I am not burnt out at all..I haven't been studying that much. I actually just have zero motivation. I gained weight due to the snacking sedentary study lifestyle, so I decided to try to lose weight and take care of my appearance more, which apparently makes me not care much about lsat. Ugh this is so confusing and hard :( I have no motivation and no drive for lsat at this moment. I used to have so much :(

So I started August 24th, before that we had an orientation which for us was basically giving us assignments to get done before the first day of class..yes there's homework before you even begin class.

People hear about the socratic method and the case method and they are the predominate method of teaching. I can't say for all schools but from what I've read and what I've experienced, this is true. I'm almost sure you are all better readers than me and thats good because you just read and read some more, then when you're done you read some more.

So what happens, at least for me, is I get assigned cases or a set of pages to read in the casebook. Some are easy, some are ridiculous, a good rule is if its older it'll probably take longer since the language is confusing. If you want to look good in class then you should have a law dictionary (Black's or another) next to you, the law databases that your school gives you (WestLaw or LexisNexis or Bloomberg or whatever) and the most important..Google. If something doesn't make sense, Google the shit out of it. If you want to look really good, then Google about the time period, the judge who was giving the opinion etc.. Of course, looking good in class doesn't really matter if you bomb the exam so I think you should just find a good balance.

I have the attitude where I don't care about looking good in class but I do want to learn so I do some extra research but its for my own benefit.

A lot of people say learn the black letter law. This is true, if you can memorize rules and laws, great but especially when you start, the casebook kinds of builds upon itself. For example you figure out the law that the case is using or just made and then the next case they just totally change it. Law school is basically self taught, class seems like its just to make you cry but really it's helping you to see the bigger picture and see how a case can be applied in tons of ways, it's best to digest and see that instead of seeing your professor trying to make you look stupid.

I think the most important thing I learned so far is that if you want to do good, you have to learn your professors. Thats number one. Talking to students who have had the specific professor is crucial. They know how the professor grades and their style. If you take nothing else from this, take that.

Also, don't be scared, who care's if you look dumb for a bit, everyone does. Last thing, law school won't teach you every law that there is..we have a common law system which just makes everything crazy. Just learn how to be a problem solver, learn how to take a problem and be able to find that answer and by that answer, I mean the answer that you want it to be. No two cases are alike and a lot of cases you can attack it from all sorts of angles to make your argument semi-legit and for civil cases (where the money's at) that's all you need, preponderance..

Anyway, hope this helps someone who crushed the LSAT and is trying to figure out the next step.