Hi all,

I just wanted to see if I could get some advice about my situation because I'm starting to get really nervous about whether or not I can take the October test. Unfortunately if I don't, I'm not sure when the next feasible time will be for me to take it. I'm a rising junior, but because the December one is right around my finals when I'm sure I'll be way too stressed about schoolwork to do much LSAT studying (plus I'm on the quarter system which means during the quarter I would have little time too) and because next summer I'm going to be taking classes and writing my thesis I wanted to try and get it done this summer.

My diagnostic around early June was a 162. After that I studied using 7sage for about 6 weeks before starting to take prep tests and landed at around 169. I've been taking on average 3 tests per week and have now taken 6 tests. Unfortunately it looks like I'm sort of already plateauing at around 169-170 and my goal is to get a 175 on test day. I did have one kind of outlier, the test before last I actually scored a 178 (PT41) which got me really excited after a string of like three 169's in a row, but then today I scored only a 170 again. I was hoping I would at least have improved to like 171-172 but no dice. So it seems like thats where I've leveled off score-wise.

As far as per-section, it kind of varies wildly which concerns me. I think as far as consistency goes, LR is my best. In the last 6 tests I went -5, -3, -5, -2, -2, -6. So i had a string of a couple pretty good scores where I only missed 2-3 total in LR but then, again today to my dismay, I did super bad and missed 6 of them.

LG is definitely hugely hit or miss with me. Some tests I've missed as most as 9 or 10 (cases where I couldn't even finish all the games and got stuck, plus got some wrong), whereas today I was able to make up for my shitty LR score by missing none of them (but the games were ridiculously easy.) At the same time, in the PT where I magically scored 178, the games weren't completely trivial and yet I was able to finish them and get them all right. So lots of variability for reasons that elude me.

RC is pretty stable too, but still not where I want it to be. Last 6 tests went -4, -2, -3, -4, -1, and -5 (today). Not a horrible average but definitely not where I need it to be for test day.

I'm pretty worried about my consistency. I had a pretty bad day today (in that I improved almost none, and in fact did worse on the LRs which I'm usually much better at) and I'm super worried that I'm not going to be able to get this down in time for October while still being able to do enough PTs. I had originally scheduled myself to do another 3 or 4 PTs this week but decided I would only do 2 (at the end of the week) after taking 2 or 3 days off to really study the questions i'm missing most often hard (in LRs this is Flaws) and seeing if I can improve that way.

Overall I'm pretty lost. I'm having a really hard time making the marginal gains I need to get myself consistently above 170 and into the 175 region (except for the wonderful 178 test where everything magically went right) and my variability in scores for the individual sections (particularly LR on bad days, and LG seemingly randomly) scares the crap out of me. I'm not sure at this point what my studying should be like, how many PTs and how often I should be doing them, or what. I'd really appreciate any advice since this as I'm really not even sure if it's worth it to keep going for October at this point which is a humongous disappointment for me. Let me know if there's anymore details I can provide that would be helpful. Thanks guys!

I just went on to lsac to see if my preferred testing location was still available, and it is not even an option, which means that the next closest test location would be an hour drive from where I live! Is this a normal occurrence?? There are about six testing sites about 40ish miles from where I live - I don't get why they couldn't spread out a few of these in my city! Is there anyway I can protest the LSAC and demand they open another testing location? That morning is going to be a disaster if I have to take the test there ugh.

start studying again. This past December life threw me a shit sandwich right when I was beginning to make real progress on my tests. I put the LSAT down and have since been devoting all my time to my startup business and philanthropy/volunteering to figure out exactly what my long term goals are AND what branch of law I want to enter. Basically the pro bono work I've done has been geared towards rights advocacy (particularly when it comes to abused women and children) with high hopes that one day the policies we were working on stimulates some kind of change/referendum at the federal level. I've learned a lot during my time off, made some contacts and feel rejuvenated going into the second round of my studies.

Do you? If you do, what do you snack on? I usually have half of quest bar during the break but now I'm thinking about switching to different snacks and see which one works better for me, any suggestion?

PT60 BR Tonight at 8pm ET

Ok y'all. Here's what I'll be doin' while y'all are BR'in:

Or anything LSAT-unrelated. But @jengibre and @amanda_kw will be there and they are both LSAT all-stars.

Note on all groups

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-28-section-1-question-21/

Can anyone help me out with this question, I know I cannot copy and paste the question here, but my problem is all the explanations I saw for the question do not make sense to me. Thanks in advance.

does anyone have any guidance for determining when to draw out scenarios vs brute force the answer choices? sometimes it's pretty clear that a new local rule in a question creates two scenarios and in those cases it's obvious that you should solve for each board before attacking the questions.

however there are also cases where it's less clear whether it's more efficient to break board into scenarios or find the correct answer by brute forcing answer choices. Here's an example: http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-49-section-1-game-1/

On question 3, JY goes directly to the answer choices after deducing that there must be two IN blocks. He could instead have attempted to place those blocks and would have realized there are only two placements _ IN IN_ or _ IN _ IN . Then, after deducing those two scenarios, he could have gone to the AC's. I find that JY has a tendency to go to the AC's in these cases.

I planned on doing PT60 today and joining BR group tomorrow. However, I did really bad on the LG which is what I am good at and my mind was clouded when I was doing the third section. I literally could not think and had headache. I just could not take in any information at all. I gave it up and switched to problem sets. Same, I had headache again. Is this burn-out? Do I need to give myself a day off tomorrow? I've been studying for at least 8 hours per day since this summer because I am studying full-time. Any advice for avoiding burn-out? Thank you!!! :)

I just finished the 7 Sage curriculum two weeks ago. My first PT was an actual score of 160 and blind review of 165. I took two PTs, one yesterday, and one today, where my blind review score was high but my actual score was low, 151 actual & BR 160, 154 actual & 162 BR. I am feeling pretty discouraged by the drop in my actual score. I am confused as to what the BR means in terms of studying, etc.?

I am consistently -5 to -10 on the Logic Games. I have been using the Fool Proof method. However, I have the books of LSATs so I don't have ten copies but I do the games 10 times on blank notebook paper, not writing on the actual game.

I am not sure what to do about the discrepancy between my actual score and my BR review score. Any advice would be great?!

I also would add I just got the LSAT Trainer but I have not read it yet. I am hoping to take October test.

I know a similar thread was created about which school is your dream school, but I thought I would create one about interests in the field of law. Which practice groups are you interested in? I guess I'll go first. I'm interested in litigation and transactional law.

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I have been stuck in the 155-158 range for a month and, recently, I broke into the early 160s (160-161 last couple PTs).

As many people suggested on this forum, I focused on augmenting my BR score. I used to hit around 165-168 (BR) , but now I usually score 170-171(BR).

I am aiming for 165 + in October and something tells me that, if I am hitting 170, with all the time in the world, I still have a ton of work to do.

Timing is still an issue for me and there seems to be a general consensus, among many sagers, that it is intertwined with how well one knows the fundamentals. I am a believer that the two are causally related.

Since BR is one of the best indicators of how well I know the fundamentals, I want to push for more

Any practical tips on how to attain a perfect BR score???

Even a 1 point increase seems incredibly difficult.....

Thank you

Hi all,

Is there anyone who prepared/is preparing for a retake and has encountered a problem where you use same PTs and feel familiarized with some problems? Or feeling subconsciously comfortable with the fact that they are problems that you have done already?

With this trouble for myself, I realized that I felt definitely baffled when taking a new, fresh PT after retaking those PTs I have done already.

Is there any advice you could please give? Thank you so much guys!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-1-question-02/

Ok, I am pretty pissed I missed this because I felt like I got it right when I did it. I didn't even mark it for BR. As a CPA, the equivocation of a few words in the stimulus and answer choices makes this question pretty terrible IMO. Are we supposed to assume that "administered to people" in answer choice A is the same idea as "administering a vaccine"? Administering to people to me means giving people the shot at the doctors office while administering a vaccine to me means the administration costs (SG&A costs) within the firm; these are two totally unique concepts. This is worse than usual writing for the LSAT.

This is a weaken question. It is from a pretty old test, and I feel like the wording on this one reflects that.

A director at a pharm company argues that the developmental costs (production costs) for new vaccines that the health department has requested should be subsidized since the marketing costs (selling costs) promises to be less profitable (this last part makes no sense to me, and I think it shows how sloppy the LSAT writers can be sometimes when they write about business, but whatever). The director argued that the sales are going to be lower since people only take the drug once (OK, this sentence makes more sense relative to the last one).

What I am looking for: Maybe the fact that they only take the drug once is not relevant. This step was pretty difficult to do for this one.

Answer A: This is the correct answer, but I still take issue with the wording. How do we equivocate administration of the vaccines with sales (or anything that relates to the director's argument)? I just don't see how this affects the argument. If the drugs are administered to more people (i.e. doctors give the shots to more people), why does the business care directly? The pharm company only cares about selling the vaccines to hospitals and doctors, what they do with the drugs after the fact is irrelevant to the business (purchasing the drugs is a sunk cost to the hospital). What if the doctor gives away the vaccine for free? The pharm has already made its money on sale (and based off the argument from the director, less than what it would get from other drugs) regardless of who actually gets the shots. I think there are huge problems with this answer choice, and I think more modern LSATS would use tighter wording.

Answer B: This is irrelevant to the argument. So what if "many" vaccines are designed to prevent things.

Answer C: So what.

Answer D: I don't care about other pharm companies. We are talking about Rexx.

Answer E: This is what I chose. I chose this because I interpreted the costs of administrating a vaccine as part of administrative costs within the firm. If the pharm companies don't bear this cost, then this attacks the support that they should be subsidized. Apparently, we are supposed to assume that the "cost of administering a vaccine" is what I interpreted A's predicate to mean. However, this answer would run into the same problem that I think makes A incorrect also.

To hell with this question.

I just finished the curriculum so I am trying to move on to the next stage, any advice much appreciated.

I am interested in knowing what people, who had/have the 7sage curriculum, did during the curriculum. I am particularly interested in if those individuals drilled during the curriculum. I also do not mean drill as in doing the 5 questions at the end of every section, I mean full on drill a section of those specific question types then BR them. I recently purchased the 7sage ultimate, and I am now at 40% finished with the course, however the only reason I am not further in the course is because when I had the starter package I went through most of the curriculum without having the extra problem sets that come with the ultimate. Essentially, I was about 70% done with the core curriculum when I had the starter. Now, however, I have to go back and do all the other problem sets that come with the ultimate package. I do not mind doing this at all, however I was thinking of finishing the core first, which I do not have much of, and then going back to do all the rest of the problem sets as drills. Is this a good idea? I just feel that I will truly never finish with this course if I continue to drill in the midst of learning the core. My drilling is too precise, I mean I can literally take about 4hrs to understand every nitty gritty detail of a 5 question problem set for LR, as well as LG,this includes the ones I already understand, which means finishing this course will not happen anytime soon, and although the fundamentals are extremely important, I am not going to get any better at this test if I do not start drilling sections, and PTing. What advice do you guys have for me?

A lot of us have devoted a lot of our lives to the LSAT and 0L lyfe generally.

So I want to know ... What are your hobbies? Not just working out (a lot of us do that, but do include if that's your jam) ... But things like crafts, brewing, gaming, gambling, semi-professional snark, BBC watching, shooting, trash gathering ...

I'm trying my hand (literally) at tatting and needlepoint following a successful trip to Hobby Lobby. I realized earlier this week that I needed something to do with my hands that was unrelated to various other pursuits.

Who else is going to take the June 2016 LSAT? I'd love to connect with you. :)

Hi All!

I've been PTing twice a week now and have been scoring anywhere from 161-166 with a high BR score of only 169. I used to be able to BR well into 175 earlier on in the PT process. I guess I'm just wondering whether there's enough time to push my score into the mid to high 160s by the October test?

I manage to get max 4 wrong in LG and I know that I can keep drilling those to get my accuracy up but what about for LR and RC? Do you recommend going through the 7Sage curriculum again? I have the Trainer and Manhattan LR, which have been somewhat useful but I fear that I'm not utilizing them to the fullest extent. I'm not willing to push to December unless it's really necessary as that would be my last time to take it but I want to break the mid-160s wall as well.

What do you think? Thanks for your help!

I'm in a situation that I'd really appreciate some advice on. Maybe this will help others. I'm currently studying for the October exam and have been studying for about a year (on-and-off). I've been doing serious work leading up to the June exam but canceled the day before simply because of scoring too low on multiple practice tests (upper 150s). I was going to just take it for experience-sake but I'm seriously concerned with school's averaging scores. Also, it's not worth taking the exam if I'm certain the score I would get would be low. I still feel a little stuck now and I'm considering the option of applying next cycle instead because hey who wouldn't want a full year to study (though a few extra months would do)? Despite roughly a year, I don't think I've reached my potential.

I just graduated in May and in 3 years, instead of 4, and was going to take the 1 year otherwise spent as a Senior to get a job and then continue regularly straight to law school. I don't like the idea of taking 2 years in between but it seems as though the benefits (making more money in between to even afford law school, and more time to study to potentially get into an even better law school) outweigh going on time. What's difficult is that I've sunk a lot of time and effort going with my first plan and I could conceivably just stick through it and possibly retake in Dec after Oct though, again, I don't know if I could have a better score next year. I'd really appreciate comments because I'm currently considering whether I should stick with October, see how I do, and then decide to take another year or not. Of course the problem with that is that I potentially risk having my scores averaged when I could just have a clean number next year.

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My personal favorite is "Many foreign visitors to [NK] have acknowledged [that genuine human rights are guaranteed under the socialist system."

HOW MANY IS MANY? Many just means some. Some—so like, what. One guy?

See what I did there ...

Anyway, the article is muy interesting.

So who has committed to the October test? How ready do you feel you are? I've paid my fees and I'm locked in. I'm consistently getting the PT score I'd be happy with on the real thing (17 tests done so far). I'm just hoping I'm able to duplicate my practice results on game day. Good luck to all!

Is it more beneficial to Blind Review after every completed section or after taking the entire test?

Hi all,

I've taken about 10 PTs so far, making steady progress from 157 to now 164/165 (three most recent) with BR usually ranging somewhere between 170-176. I get about -7 on RC, -3~-6 on LR and -0~-3 on LG. On RC, I usually have time for only three passages, forced to leave the last passage completely blank, which is quite frustrating. On LR, I seem to take quite a while to warm up since I always do much better on the second LR, which I'm now able to finish just on time (with no time to spare). For the first LR, I miss about 3-5 questions because I run out of time. I don't think I have much problem with the LR fundamentals since I usually miss only 2-3 questions after BR if any. The same goes for RC (although more questions wrong here). I'm aiming for 167-168 for October LSAT, and I believe I can make few more points if I can pace myself more efficiently/effectively. Do you guys have any tips to help me quicken the POE and hone my intuition? Or do you think this is just stemming from my lack of practice in doing PTs... I would appreciate you input!

Hello Everyone,

I see a lot of people mentioning their implementation of the Cambridge Packets. I would be tempted to purchase them, but I already own all of the Prep Tests from 1-38 as they are. Is there any comprehensive list that groups the sections according to types so I could group them up myself? Or is question-type based drilling that crucial to begin with? Don't have the most money right now, so any help would be greatly appreciated :( Thanks!

Hi! I've posted before.... earlier this week as well... but I have a question for those in the 168-180 range!

Right now, I took a prep test and received a 170 w/ BR of 175 and a 168 w/ BR of 180. While I know two scores aren't a clear sign of a trend YET, I feel as if something has "clicked" within me for the LSAT, and I do feel confident that my mark on my next PT will be in that range.

I'm looking to be scoring in the 170s for my PTs from here on out, and looking to score a solid 170 on the October exam. With that goal in mind, I want to make sure I'm prepping in an effective manner. I also want to reduce my risk of burn out. So, with those two goals in mind, I will outline my situation below:

My boss is allowing me to work a reduced schedule, so I can being prepping everyday from 2-whenever I go to bed. I wake up, go to the gym, come home and get ready. As I'm getting ready I read through some LSAT notes. Things like... how to do certain questions/what to look for for Reading Comprehension/how to translate conditional statements, ect.

When I get to work, I study usually from 7:30-8:30. I do 1 timed RC, 4 passage section, and 1 timed LG section. I use ONLY the allotted pencils, sharpener, highlighters that we will be using during the exam, and I always time myself. I then correct the LG and leave the RC BR for after work.

When I get home I BR the RC, check my answers, and review them to see where my problem areas lie. I then usually do 1-2 LR sections and BR them. I do an additional 1-2 LG sections as well.

I plan to PT every Wednesday from 2-5, and every Saturday from 9-12 ish. On Saturdays, I try and set up the routine exactly how it'll be on The Day: wake up, go to the gym, come home and eat breakfast and have a coffee, start my exam, on break I plan to drink an energy drink and eat the same snack I will come test day. I do 5 sections. I want to continue like this until September.

In September, I plan on testing in areas with noise: open libraries, ect.

At this point, I've been through a lot of Cambridge packages, and I am doing prep tests 58-74. I left prep tests.... 45 ish to about 50 to use as the material for the LR/RC/LG drilling. I constantly drill past LG sections. My LG is usually -1 to 0 every single time.

Does this appear to be an effective strategy? I also have began reading articles on my train rides to and from work, to help with RC.

Should I be doing something else? I also fear burnout, so I was thinking of doing light studying every Friday from like... 2-5 PM, and then taking the evening off. Writing a PT Saturday, BR Sunday morning, and taking Sunday afternoon off.

Thoughts? I AM SORRY IT'S SO LONG! xo