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I need advice.

I started doing my PTs 4 weeks ago (have done10 PTs so far) - aiming for October.

So my concern is that my scores are fluctuating greatly. Last week I scored a 160 (BR 169) and this week I scored a disappointing 153 (BR 163).

This leads me to my question...

So I have seen improvements in the LG section (used to be - 7--10, now around -2 ~ -4) - of course it still needs work.

RC ... really depends.. sometimes it's -3 and some other times it's -6.

But my biggest problem is the LR section. Except for One PT where I had a 85% accuracy rate, I am consistently getting loads of questions wrong (- 20 ~ - 23, on bad days).

With 2 months to go, I decided to stop doing Prep tests for this week (maybe next week as well) to simply drill more LR questions.

I know that PT is an essential part of the learning curve and I want to do as much as I can before the exam, but I feel like I need to drill more. Instead of exhausting every Cambridge Drill questions, I am thinking about only doing the question types that I am struggling with for now.

Do you think it is better for me to drill more questions, in my current state, and start doing my PTs perhaps next week or the week after? Or should I simply do as much PTs as possible + BR? (I have gone through the core curriculum + the LSAT Trainer- LR )

With 9-10 weeks left, time is gold...

That being said I don't need a 170+... more like165+ or even 160 +

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Wednesday, Jul 29, 2015

Purchasing PT's

I just got past the 2007 test and am venturing out into the lessons. Did any of you guys actually buy the other tests that have the silent videos available for them? Which tests should I buy first? When I purchased the "ultimate" 7sage program, it stated that the tests came with it. They don't, which is fine, but I'm having trouble figuring out what to purchase first. Can you tell me what you purchased first?

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I have been redoing LG games and they're very helpful. I wonder for difficult RC and LR questions that I've blind reviewed before, is it a high yield activity to redo the difficult RC and LR questions? If so, what do you think a good time before reattempting them (eg: 3 days, 1 week or longer). Thank you for your help.

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Someone added me as a study buddy,today. When I tried to send a message using the button next to their name, I got the error "You must select at least one recipient", even though the user's username was in the "Recipients" field. I tried in both Chrome and IE, in case it was a browser problem. Any help would be appreciated.

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I am confused as to how the U.S. law school application process works...many schools begin accepting applications as of Sept 1., but their websites do not provide any information for applicants applying for this upcoming cycle. How are we supposed to know what the components and directions of the applications are (e.g. personal statement, optional essays, etc.) when they do not post the directions for the upcoming application cycle?? Do they only post information in late Aug, which only gives a few weeks to complete the whole application for those who want to submit in Sept?? I know that you can roughly estimate the requirements based on the requirements from last cycle, but I would not want to complete my current application based on last year's instructions. If someone can elucidate this process, that would be tremendously helpful!

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Tuesday, Jul 28, 2015

Many vs Some

For practical purposes can some and many be treated the same way for LR sufficient assumption questions?

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http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-21-section-2-question-07/

I initially picked C, probably making some bogus quick logic about how the new bus routes would actually cost the city more and therefore it would not be cheaper to build on the outskirts of town. However, I realize that the answer is B, but still need some more clarification/confirmation in my head to see how that'd be it for sure.

The conclusion is that the Brownlea's post office must be replaced with a larger one. The premises are - the present one cannot be expanded, land near the present one in the city-center is more expensive, and since the acquiring of LAND is where the major cost of a new post office would come from, the outskirts of town is the best place to build it -- because land there must be way cheaper.

B would be the answer because it says that a parking lot would be required if it is built on the outskirts of town and a parking lot would not be required if it is built in the city-center. So, ONE WOULD NEED TO BUY/ACQUIRE MORE LAND (aka more costs) if one builds the post office in the outskirts vs. the city-center. So, building on the outskirts is not necessarily cheaper -- because of the "more" land argument/parking lot which wouldn't be needed if it was built in the city-center.

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http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-june-2007-section-2-question-17/

The correct answer choice is B: "[t]he argument relies on the testimony of experts whose expertise is not shown to be sufficiently broad to support THEIR general claim."

I think this choice would only be correct if the "THEIR," the "experts" I assume being the referent, is changed to "its," the argument being the referent, because it is the hospital executive who's making a claim beyond the scope of the testimony of these experts.

Thoughts?

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Forgive me if this has been covered elsewhere. I have been at this since December and just finished taking my 14th PT. My BR scores are high (174+) but I still find myself circling a lot of questions for review. I understand that this can vary from test to test due to difficulty, but should I be concerned that, for example, there are still some LR sections that I circle 18? When I circle that many, most are correct a large majority of the time. I've always had a bad habit of second guessing myself, but I don't want to chalk it up to that if it signals an underlying problem. I would be a lot more concerned with it if my BR weren't where I want them. I just can't figure out why I'm still not 100% sure on so many questions at times.

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Hi All,

Lots of people have nervous habits. We have the biters, scratchers, sighers, snifflers, pickers, chompers, mutterers, blinkers, tappers, grimacers, finger-flutterers, foot-jigglers, and so on...

I shall confess here that I'm a picker. It's most pronounced when I'm testing. If I'm on a particularly stressful question, I may pick a scab or a piece of dry skin so hard that I start bleeding a little. Besides good ol' medication (which as we know isn't a magic bullet and can affect our mental sharpness), what are some tips on how to calm these behaviors down during the LSAT?

I was inspired to write this post as I just finished a LG section and realized that my forehead and parts of my neck are inflamed (91% correct makes it worth it though, right?). Time to go clip my nails...

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Does anyone have any prior experience with the Three Wolf Moon and the LSAT? I have purchased it, but I'm tentative about using it during PT. Will its effects wane over each use?

Also, what's your average score increase while using it? I used it once last week, couldn't resist, and I scored 10 points higher than my first PT back in January without the 3 wolfs.

To play it safe, I'm saving it for Test Day.

http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Three-Short-Sleeve-Large/dp/B007I4HI1K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438014904&sr=8-1&keywords=three+wolf+moon

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I'm wondering if anyone has taken a philosophy course in logical reasoning. If you have, how did you find it? Did you feel it gave you a stronger foundation going into your LSAT prep, or is 7Sage (and any other prep material) sufficient for you? Was it different enough from the LSAT that it wasn't helpful? I ask because I'm considering such a course if it will strengthen my understanding of "lawgic."

I'm still feeling intimidated by the games, even after going through the lawgic lessons and the lessons on the various types of games. This course is offered at my university. Based on the description of the course, it addresses the kind of logic used in the games. It would be helpful to know if it will benefit my studying before I sign up.

(I apologize of this question came up already and has been buried by newer threads).

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Hi folks, looking for advice here. As a side note, I love the community feel and all the support on the discussion forum!

I'm trying to score in the high 160s or even maybe low 170s to get significant scholarship offers at my local law school options (the better school here has average 164 LSAT, with 3.67 GPA ). For reference my UG GPA was 3.87.

I started studying in January, but was still at a demanding job and my pace slacked. I picked it up again in June when I quit my job, and my plan has been to study June-Sept and take the Oct exam.

I've finished the Trainer and initially thought to use 7Sage just for LG, but now I've gone through the core curriculum for RC as well. I think the Trainer is great for LR, but I am wondering about going through the 7Sage core curriculum for LR as well - though this would put me behind on my study schedule.

Currently, I'm working through the LG bundle and seeing improvement, but it is slower than I anticipated. I usually drill games until I'm hitting JYs target time for them.

All that to say... lately I have been thinking that the Oct test is a stretch. I planned to begin PTing with BR next week (2-3/wk); If I go through the LR curriculum it will probably set me behind a week, giving me only 8 weeks for PTs. I believe I can do about 23 PTs even with the set back, but I had planned for at least 30 before the test...

I believe I could perform higher if I take in Dec, and some of the schools I am interested in will even take the Feb test. However, I'm concerned I will miss the window of time in which most scholarships are given out.

Any advice or suggestions very appreciated!

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So, took my first diagnostic, and I will be completely honest..133.

I don't really know what to say actually at this point.

Just a little self-introduction:

Senior business major at Middle Tennessee State University graduating this December. 3.9 GPA. (4.0 all the way until got a B in Accounting this spring) 4 semesters in a roll on Dean's list. Full ride all the way.

But this LSAT is so different than any of the tests I've ever taken.

1 Logic Games. Had NO clue what to do. Completely guessed every single one of them.

2 Time. I seriously don't have enough time for either LR or RC. Only finished about 15 to 19 then had to guess the rest.

I know this is kinda an old subject for you guys who have experiences in this field but I seriously don't see how I could improve reading speed by THIS standard without not knowing what I am reading. And we all know if don't understand what I am reading, then forget about answering questions. Oh, also gotta answer them correctly.

I know it's my first diagnostic without any prep but I am still feeling extremely defeated and discouraged...I'll admit I'm not one of those beasts standard test taker. I'm not used to this. It completely shattered my expectation and self-esteem. I'm speechless...

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

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9 weeks.

WAIT. We can help! Join Blind Review groups this week!

Note: Weekday (Weds/Fri) calls now starting at 8PM ET. We haven't had many West Coasters with schedule restraints on recently and would like to give the East Coasters a break (since we've been on until nearly midnight for them recently).

Please also note: Saturday calls still start at 8PM ET!

Wednesday, July 29th at 8PM ET: PT57

Our Saturday call was rescheduled and thus we are doing PT57 on Weds.

Friday, July 31st at 8PM ET: PT73

I really hope this one is nicer than PT72.

LSATurday, August 1st at 8PM ET: PT58

For those of you who may have already taken PT58 in anticipation of this week, be sure to join us for LSATurday! And for everyone else ... YOU BETTER BE THERE. Don't make me name names.

Note on all groups

  • For the newbies: Add me on Skype, using handle nikkers625 .
  • For the regulars: If for some reason you're not in the group conversation[s] already, just message me on Skype.
  • For everyone: take the PT under timed conditions; BR as you are able; join us for all or part of the call—everyone is welcome.
  • Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So at least don't say ... "No guys, really, it's D, I checked it."
  • These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).
  • The only expectation anyone has for these calls is for you to have fun and ask questions as you desire. We are just a bunch of LSAT lovers who gather via Skype and intellectually slaughter each test.
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    When we are reading the stimulus and separating the conclusion, premise, and context, are we supposed to ignore the context/"some people's argument"/etc, and then just focus on the Premise and Conclusion?

    For example, in NA questions, it seems that after determining which sentence in the context, we can just ignore it and focus on the relationship of support to answer the question.

    Am I right on this?

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    Let me first start off by saying I am going to become a junior this fall semester at my university. I have never prepped for the LSAT prior to taking my diagnostic and I scored a 146. A month into studying I took another prep test and scored a 152. After blind reviewing and checking up on the trends of my exams, I realized I may need to take a look back at the fundamentals of logical reasoning section, which I have. I take a prep test tomorrow and I am hoping to get in the high 150's and my overall goal is to get in the 160's by the time of the October LSAT. If I don't reach my goal of averaging in the 160's by the end of august should I reschedule my LSAT or is there any other advice someone is willing to give. I get very nervous during my exams which I believe may have an impact on my grade. Please help me with some advice!

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    Hey all,

    I couldn't search for the answer to this as it showed every post containing the word LSAT but is it known when the LSAT Ultimate+ Tier will be available for purchase? I have Premium, and would like to get at least Ultimate, but don't want to purchase it until I see what Ultimate+ costs due to it having the Prep tests after 72 + the hard question sets.

    Right now I can upgrade to ultimate for $200 USD with + being TBA. If it does get released at say 300 from my current level, if I've already upgraded to Ultimate for 200 would the upgrade cost a difference of $100? Buying test explanations individual can add up to being a lot after you toss in the USD to CAD exchange rate so to get it all bundled together with as many tests as possible would help me a lot.

    Finally, I noticed that the individual test explanations went on sale a few months back. Does that happen periodically or was that simply because the pdfs were being removed?

    Thanks guys!

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    My plan is to take every single PT(1-75) under timed conditions, BR every single questions on every single PT, designating notebooks to BR, meaning write out an explanation for every correct, and incorrect answer. With this, however, I will not be doing timed sections, rather my timed sections will be PT's. After every 5 PT's I was planning to create my own PT with the questions I got wrong from all 5 PT's, as well as games I did not score a -0 on. Do you guys think this is a good idea for studying, and perfecting my abilities to dominate this test? I know this sounds like a bit much, and the burn out is prob real, but I feel like to truly get a 180 you need to transfer all of your energy into this test, and this is what I am planning to do. I should mention my LSAT administration is in December.

    The second thing I wanted to ask about is the SuperPrep by LSAC. Is it worth purchasing?

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    Before I officially became a 7sage/trainer student, I dabbled around on a few other forums and found that many instructors suggest using a website called Speedo to increase reading speed. It is designed on the premise that the subconscious mind prohibits people from reaching their reading speed potential due to the subconscious "reading aloud" even when one is reading silently. Learning to ignore that inner voice allows u to take in what u physically see which can be four or more words at a time, rather than reading the one word at a time that you hear in your head. I tried it for a while and it seemed to work but later felt it was unnecessary. What do you guys think? Has anyone done this long term and reaped positive mind blowing results in RC?

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    I took the June 2015 lsat and received my score and was excited. I got (enough) to get into the school I was looking at. This weekend I received that letter everyone looks forward to but mine informed me that I needed to retake my lsat. Crushed. I was and still a little bummed but I'm not sure what I should do. I work full-time and with family duties. I'm not sure if I can pour more in more energy into the lsat to move my score but I don't want to give up.

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    I am curious how you guys approach RC passages.

    For RC, some of my friends told me that they spend about 2 ~ 2.5 minutes skimming a passage and having a grasp on points made in each paragraph. Then, when approaching questions, they go back to a passage for questions whenever needed.

    And for others, they said they spend around 3.5 ~ 4 minutes understanding a passage solidly (just like how we try to spend enough time on drawing a solid game board for LG). Then, when working on questions, they barely go look back the passage.

    There are definitely pros and cons for both approaches, but I am still curious what you guys think about them and what kind of an approach you guys use for RC. Thank you!

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