Hello all,

Now that I've had a little bit of time to reflect on my June score, I was hoping to find some people to indulge with me in some "philosophical" conversation about what it all means.

I scored a 164 on the June test, 7 ish points lower than my PT average. I completely bombed one LR section (pretty uncommon since LR is generally my strongest) and did really pretty well on the remainder. It was the first section and presumably, the issue was related to nerves.

I want desperately for my LSAT score to begin with 17..and I'm not really sure why. My pride? A personal goal?

I plan to attend a (fairly) strong regional school because I know where I want to practice and already own a house in the area, I am not really a non-traditional student but am definitely not K-JD. I will apply to other schools but primarily for scholarship leverage. For this particular school and considering my URM status, my numbers (or lower) have led to admission plus substantial scholarship for others.

I plan to retake but... I'm also conflicted. Others in the area would likely take the score and run. I'm not happy with my score and know that I can do better (I haven't score a 164 on a prep test in a long while).

My question- has anyone else become obsessed with the LSAT itself and lost sight of the fact that it's a means to an end? I certainly have. Thoughts?

I did my first PT today and, I have to admit, was disappointed with the score (148). BR wasn't much better in the mid 150.

However, it could have just been because it is my first test - a BIG nervous moment I have been building up to since I started studying in January.

Rather than try to pick apart my weaknesses at this stage, I am figuring it may be good to take another 3-4 tests just to build up some analytics within 7Sage. That should then give me a good basis from which to do some actual targeted further study. With just this one test, I'd be unsure where to even start.

Is that sensible? Or a waste of 3-4 more practice tests?

Thanks,

J.

After lurking for 2 months, I finally purchased the 7sage Premium package.

Right now my goal is 160+ for the October write. My only other commitment is a summer course from July to Mid-August, so I hope my 3 month goal is attainable for my desired score!

I haven't even attempted a LG, and am asking should I jump right into that first or just follow the order of the curriculum?

I've done hundreds of LR questions and I was never this lost with a question. Got this right because the rest of the answers weren't compatible with the argument, but I have no idea why (C) is correct. I really would appreciate a detailed explanation for this one and a breakdown of the argument.

Can't believe it. I'm literally in shock rn. I totally thought I bombed the June test but just got my score back and it was 165! I will be retaking in Oct after a brief LSAT break here, but I just wanted to share that because I was almost positive I did terribly and was ready to cancel.

Well, everyone, I did it. I got the score required to get me into the school I'd like to go to. Ultimately I'm still not sure how I feel about it. For those of you who know my story, I'll make this brief. My first time taking the exam I received a 147. It destroyed me. I remember I was playing ranked and just straight up afked and curled into a ball (kudos to those who get the reference.)

LG killed me on this exam and the exam I took prior to this one. I'm not exactly sure why? It is literally always my best section on PTs (-2, -3, -5 MAX). Sure I have a few off exams, but it was never a huge issue. Anyway, on this exam I did better on LR/RC, this exam I didn't panic or freak when I hit difficult questions or felt pressured. I had been here before and I knew how to handle it. So far I applied to 2 law schools (with my previous score) and both of them are over an hour away, very very expensive, and offer very low amounts of living wage aid. In all honesty, even with my Hyundai Veloster, I don't think I'd be able to afford annual gas costs. You may be asking why I put myself in this situation, and my answer is that I didn't perform well on the last exam and then, there's my family.

So, I was a bit lucky. I was given a chance to retake the exam and possibly get another shot at my school if seats were not full. I wasn't promised anything but, hope, however small, widened my eyes and made me hit the books (well I used the Internets, I only used one book and that was the LSAT Trainer, LOL) again. This time I had 5 classes, and a crap load of other responsibilities. My family played a huge guilt trip on me. My grandfather bought me a car (the Hyundai Veloster). This was something he had saved/planned for since I was a kid, but he was using it as leverage with law school because he thinks if I take a year off he won't be around to see me graduate. This killed me. My father threatened to charge a lot for rent, to the point where I'd "barely be able to study" (whatever that means) and also played the guilt card with my grandfather. My uncle did the same with guilting me about my grandfather. Every time I brought up waiting a year, I was dismissed without further discussion. My girlfriend supported me, but I felt alone on an island overall. From my understanding, family support during law school is very important. Yet, I couldn't garner any support pre-law school. This frustrated me. This is MY future. They all dismissed any advice from people I quoted on 7Sage, my counselor from undergrad (who went to law school, practiced, and now is in charge of pre-law advising at my school.) No matter who it was and no matter the credentials, they did not care. I even tried to have a friend of mine (who they knew well) explain it to them. He took a year off to study for the GMAT, got a 700, and went to Minnesota for a masters in business (graduated top of his class), and is now going to Georgetown for a masters in finance. Once again, his words did not stick.

This is a rare opportunity, though. My score, although it may be too late for my desired school, is good enough for the next cycle and I may be able to leverage that to take a year off. There is absolutely no reason for me to put myself in huge debt for a year, possibly screw up, and not be allowed to ultimately transfer to the school that is not only a lot more practical, but better for my future (my desired school is 5 minutes away, I completed my undergrad there, is SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER, more living wage money for assurance, and has a lot more job opportunity post-grad.) I think this argument will leverage pretty well, because it's tangible and backed by my current score (previously they thought if I wait to take the exam I may fuck up and screw myself in the long run.) I can then study AGAIN for the exam and possibly do a hell of a lot better, and get better scholarships. Also, during my year off I can pay the capital on my student loan and slowly pay that off as well. What's your advice, everyone? I know a lot of this stuff may be too much for a 7Sage forum, but I feel if I ask for advice all details should be on the table.

Tl;DR Not sure how to feel, got desired score but felt I could have done better if I wasn't pressured/forced by my family to rush it. Can possibly use my current score to leverage taking a year off if seats are full, and can study to get more scholarship money and not put myself more in debt just to save a year.

I'd also like to take the time to thank 7Sage for everything it has given me. I would not be where I am today without you guys to guide me through this journey. I'd also be broke as hell. I have more to say, but's for a later time and another post <3.

Got a 148 diagnostic in January and have worked solidly since. Just took my first PT and also got 148.

Feeling deflated :(

Why is the answer E?!? I cannot for the life of me figure it out. At first I put A, then D, then it turned out to be E and I just don't know why. HELP!!

Hi so as expected I did not do as well as I would have liked.

I'm a non traditional ur female with 2 businesses. So I have great softs.

I m at the 25 percentile for lsat and median GPA for my dream school and 75 percentile for my safety school.

For my last choice , I'm at 50 th for both. I can only apply to pt programs.

My concern is should I study to bump up my score by 5 points or just start applying, or do both.

Personal statements are are going to require a lot and since I'm working 32 plus hrs weekly , I'm concerned as to the best way to handle my time. Do I Focus on application rather than lsat?

I do have a meeting with my dream school dean but I would like your input.

How long did it take you to get into -0-3 range? Been working on logic games for a few weeks now and almost finished the core curriculum of logic games (haven't gotten to logic bundle yet, only problem sets), and still feel I cant accurately complete any new type of game that comes my way. How long did it take you guys?

Hey guys,

Question: Is the LSAT Analytics tool only supposed to be used for PTs? If not, could some of you share how you are utilizing the tool?

My guess is that it's only for PTs-- You track your progress and drill your weak areas, right?

I am sure there is an explanation on this site somewhere, just can't find it. :/

Thanks!

Note: These changes are now live!

Hi everyone,

We were really eager to improve problem sets after LSAC changed their licensing requirements, so we pushed out LR problem set changes before we should have. This resulted in a lot of confusion - thank you for bearing with us through all these changes, sorry!

We've been working hard to do an overhaul of the problem sets that we hope you'll all like. We hope to roll out the changes in about a week, but it may take longer. Here are the major changes:

* You will be able switch between seeing the new problem sets and the old ones from the Account settings page. So if you select the old problem sets, you'll only see those ones and not the new ones. The new problem sets are the default. The old problem set lessons will be back where they used to be if you select old problem sets. Shoutout to @focaliant for this great suggestion!

* There will be little to no overlap between the core curriculum and the problem sets. Some of you noticed that some of the questions in the old and new problem sets were also in the core curriculum, and we wanted to fix that.

* There will be new RC and LG problem sets.

* The new LR problem sets will be reordered to ramp up difficulty a more evenly.

This means that if you are in the middle of a group of the new problem sets, we recommend finishing that group and delaying other problem sets until after the changes take effect.

For example, if you're in the middle of the new group of Most Strongly Supported problem sets, you should try to finish them, and put off the Weaken problem sets until after the change is done.

If you are in the middle of a group of problem sets when the change hits, then you may end up skipping some questions, and repeating others. Not a catastrophe, but it is definitely cleaner if you're not in the middle of a group of problem sets.

...HAPPY CANADA DAY!!!

Nothing better than enjoying Canada day by relaxing in the backyard and reading the good old (okay, not that old) LSAT Trainer.

I got a 163. 88th percentile. Up 13 points over my first diagnostic.

Do anybody know anything about Stratus Prep admission Counseling

7Sagers,

I’m David, the editor who’s designing 7Sage’s new personal statement bundle. I'm looking for diversity statements, addenda, “why us?” essays and Yale 250-word essays that I can use in the course. Send your essays to info@davidbusis.com; I'll choose a few of each to edit for free so long as you let me post an anonymous version of the final product and the drafts. Note that I'm no longer offering free editing for personal statements.

I'll choose the essays on a rolling basis, so the sooner you send yours, the better chance you have of being picked. You'll hear a definite yes or no from me by July 25, but probably sooner.

Happy studying.

David

Thought I'd let y'all know (mainly cuz watching is fun) there is word that today may be the day... GREY DAY.

Source: Spivey, Dave Killoran (from TLS/twitter)

Hi y'all. PT51 BR tonight. You know you love it!

Let's all try to sign on at 8:15 EST tonight for BR group because we want to start at 8:30 SHARP (accommodating West Coasters coming home from work because inclusion). In fact, I will be so bold as to say that if I am the only person actually on the call at 8:30 I will start talking to myself on the call.

And I do mean 8:30* SHARP ...

*We often don't get into the real-deal BR'ing until about this time so I am planning on us wrapping up around 11PM EST. Ok, hoping is a better word.

Embarrassing but, I got a 141 :( However, I winged it. I barely studied. I didn't do much on this site except read the beginnings. So now it's clear, crystal clear, that I need to buckle down & focus on studying my heart out. Anyone else retaking!? Don't judge me please, my score is terrible I know. The school I want to go to has a median of 148. So I definitely need improvement at least by 10 would be ideal.

I was just wondering if anyone likes the LG method in the Trainer better and if its worth reading those chapters?... I fell a little behind and I actually Wanted to mainly focus on the LR portion of it...

Hi Everyone,

In the beginning of June this summer, I was in the middle 150. In the last 4 prep test, I got 154 in prep test 63(BR 169), 160 in prep test 49(BR 172), 157 in prep test 68(BR170), and 160 in prep test 51(BR 174). RC is my worst section and I always tend to miss 10-12 questions in prep test and miss 4-6 questions in BR. Now I consider doing easiest question in each passage first and then going back to harder questions in each passage instead of trying to finishing up all the questions in one passage first then going to next passage. Usually I only have 3 or 4 minutes left for the last passage and I missed some questions that I could have got right given enough time. I tend to spend 3.5 minutes on the passage but easily got stuck in questions. Besides the Economist, I am also reading some classy British Literature such as the Great Expectation. Since i am not a native English speaker , I think reading some novels will help my reading skill.

This is my raw score and BR score from the recent 4 prep tests for the reference:

Prep test 63, first LR 20 (BR 21), LG 17 (BR 23), second LR14 (BR 23), RC13 (BR 22) Raw score 64, BR score 89.

Prep test 49, LG 21(BR 22), first LR19 (BR 24), RC 17 (BR 21), second LR 19 (BR 25), Raw score 76, BR score 92.

Prep test 68, RC 13 (BR 24), first LR 21 (BR 22), second LR19 (BR 20), LG16 (BR 23), Raw score 69, BR score 89.

Prep test 51, first LR 18(BR 23), RC16 (BR 24), second LR18 (BR 24), LG 22 (BR 22), Raw score 74, BR score 93.

Still, when I do RC and LR, I was always frustrated by getting stuck on questions and spending 2 minutes on some hard questions and still did not get it right. I usually spend 9 to 10 hours doing BR and aim to get 180 in BR. I usually can get LR questions right during BR. Sorry for typing so much. What would guys say my problem is? Is it just timing or fundamental issues? Besides the Economist, would reading some difficult novel help my reading skill? Thank you guys for bearing this long post! :)

Please indicate how long you've been using this method and what type of long term or short term results you've seen.

Does a major conclusion usually have a premise, or context follow after it?

Hi guys,

Does any one have any experience with Anna Ivey for a law school admissions coach? I know she wrote some of the law school admissions books. She seems to be more expensive then the other coaches. I am wondering what her pros and cons would be versus the other coachs.

How often do you guys drill? My first couple of drills on LR flaw questions have proved to be deadly. Pretty much hit or miss.I've gotten so disappointed lately because of my lack of proficiency. In some ways I think it is due to lack of fundamentals so I am re-reading that section. But then again I think it could be I because I simply don't drill enough (honestly I prob only get to really do it twice a week if that Smh). I'm going to try getting up early to drill while my son is sleeping.