Hi All :) I've posted a few times and your advice has always been amazing and assuring!

I took the October exam this past Saturday and thought that it went well. I'm sure my experimental (LR) was the second section, so I think I did pretty okay with the rest of the exam.

I was scoring in the mid to high 160s ish before the exam, so I think I might have reached my goal of getting in the 160s. I don't have a specific target score, but I am looking to get as high as possible.

With that said, I'm thinking of signing up for the December exam for two reasons:

1. If I do get in the range I was looking for, I can always take the December exam and try and squeeze out more points. The schools I am applying to take your highest LSAT mark, so I don't see any harm in taking it a third time for that reason.

2. If I don't get in the range I was looking for, I'll have to re-take anyways, and I wouldn't want to set myself back by two weeks. I am taking a few days off though. :)

My question is.... where do I go from here? I have a few clean PTs left. Some in the 60s and some in the 70s that I saved for this reason. I have been through the curriculum 2x already, so I'm not looking to do it a third time, although I will revisit lessons as needed.

My weak areas are NA, SA, PSA, Weaken, and Reading Comprehension.

I have to go back to work full-time now, so I was thinking of taking 2 PTs a week... 1 Saturday and 1 Sunday, and spending the week BRing the exams and working on my weak points. Obviously I only have a few fresh PTs, so I was thinking of starting in the 50s and retaking 50, 51, 52, 53.... ect and save the fresh ones until I get closer to December. Is that a good idea?

How should I help myself in terms of Reading Comprehension?

What would you suggest to help myself fix some of my LR weaknesses?

Thanks a bunch :D

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Hey 7sagers, long-time lurker, first-time poster. Always appreciated the honest feedback and support I see on this site.

Long story short: I took the test for the second time on Saturday after getting just below 170 on my first take. I nailed the experimental LG but took too long on game 2 of the real LG and it threw off the rest of the section; I remember having to straight up guess on ~1-4 questions and "educated guess" (down to a couple answer choices) on ~3-5. My memory's honestly super vague on exactly what happened. It sucks because I legitimately thought I killed the rest of the test.

My question: what do I do? I'm aiming for a 175+ and after all the practice I did, I was very confident going in (was scoring around there on PTs and killing LG). It's my second take, so the serious options seem to be keep -> see what I get -> retake a third time if necessary, or cancel -> retake a third time. I'm just not sure which option looks better / is better, and still a little foggy-headed from what happened.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Has anyone had an issue with the 180 Watch resetting too early? This happened to me during Saturday's administration of the test. After it reached 30 minutes, i.e. in the final 5 minutes when I needed it most, it reset back to 0 and stopped. I had a backup watch packed so it wasn't a big issue but it did distract me a bit in the first two sections.

My watch was always been a little finicky. I'm really hoping it's a matter of calibration and that I won't have to replace it. Please let me know if you have had a similar issue.

Hello J.Y.,

I want to start by saying that you are absolutely amazing. Your methods for solving logic games are the most efficient out of any class/tutors that I'v encountered, your logical reasoning techniques are unmatched, and you have a great method to attack reading comp while most LSAT prep out there hardly even mentions it (implicating that your reading comp score is what it is). That being said, I just recently took the October LSAT. I purchased your prep course about 4 months before the test and was only able to complete about 70% of it, I really did do the best I possibly could. However, I actually went into the test feeling rather confident about my abilities, I had scored in the high 150s to low 160s on some previous prep tests but for some reason I would have a lingering prep test here and there that I would absolutely bomb, horribly. Im talking like scoring 15 or so points lower than my average score. So although I was scoring decently high on practice tests prior to the October LSAT, I still was rather nervous about the possibility that I would have one of "those" bad scores on the real test day. Anyways long story short my fear came true and I was not even half way through logic games when the proctor announced "there are 5 minutes remaining" (major bummer). So I am taking it again in December. I have simply put too much time and wasted too much energy to just give up on this now, and honestly I feel like I have way too good of an understanding of the test to accept a score that is as low as the score I probably got yesterday! I want to study for the next two months or so before the December LSAT, I will do whatever it takes to succeed on this test, I am not a quitter. Like I said, I have completed between 60% and 70% of your course, taken about 10 prep tests, and tried my best to blind review exactly as you instructed. I have also read the entire book and done all the homework for the LSAT Trainer. My question is, given the amount of prep I have already done, what do you think is the best course of action to best prepare me for the December LSAT in a couple months? I would really appreciate any advice you can give me!

Thanks,

Doug G.

Just visited the test center JFK Law school in Bay area where i plan to take the Dec test.

The test takers are taking test packed like Sardines next to each other. There is barely 3inch separating two individuals.

Anyone experienced this or any recourse for this?

Finally. Thank you based logic games lessons.

And other lessons but seriously... I was posting here a month ago fretting about how bad my logic games score was (averaging -12). I'm now averaging (-3).

GAH! Really happy right now.

Just took the nondisclosed test overseas. Had LG as experimental. Trying to sort which games was real. Anyone else take nondisclosed version? Thanks :)

Ok, folks. Let's discuss options for BR groups heading towards December.

We have two matters to consider:

1) Which tests to BR

I think the top priority is to get all the way through PT75 (June '15). We have approximately 15 sessions between now and November 30th if we meet twice weekly (with PT61 happening this Wednesday), which should be the last group call for the Dec 6th test.

That means we have to make a choice between:

1) Staying the course and doing PT60s all the way to 75 in sequential order.

2) Something else? I’m not sure if there’s a better course, but I’m open to ideas.

My question to you: Which course do we follow?

2) When to do the groups

I propose the following. Please either respond to this thread or PM me if you have strong objections.

—Every Saturday at 8pm EST (note the time change). Our sessions have been averaging around 3 hours (shorter than previous sessions) and I do not think 11pm is too late for most of the East Coasters to wrap up the call.

—Every Wednesday at 8pm EST (if we have a lot of West Coasters who work full time, we can perhaps find some wiggle room depending on how long your commutes are. I hesitate to set it any later as that would push the East Coasters near midnight by the time we finish)

----Friday Special! We do PT70 through PT75 over the next several Fridays; please specify if you want to do this special session—some of us want the opportunity to take these later tests twice before the December test date. Maybe after that, we can play with some older tests in the 40s to switch it up??

My question to you: Do these days work for you?

To all who have participated or reached out to me about participating: Please make your lovely voices heard!

And as always ... If you want to join in on some BR fun, PM me with your Skype handle.

I started studying for the LSAT in Mid-July and studied intensively till right before the October test. I was pt'ing at about 170-173 range for a long time. I took about 30 times PT's. I noticed that as I got up in the PT's to the 70s my numbers slightly dropped to the lower end of the spectrum 170 and some 169's. Regardless I took the October LSAT and while it seemed relatively easy while I was taking it. I feel extremely uncertain. If I get below a 170 I am 100% retaking. Should I continue to study from now until I get my score? I've also burned through all of my PT's. How should I prepare? My score breakdown has been remarkably consistent across all tests with

LR at -0 to -4 (combined)

RC at -0 to -3

LG at 0 (in the easy pt 40s) to -7 or 8! Usually around -3 to -5.

I've been through the trainer (not the logic game section) and the entire 7sage curriculum.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

So I know I'm not quite doing things the 7Sage-approved way: I registered for the October LSAT and started 7Sage late this June because I need to get my score back in time to apply this fall. I've taken the test once before (February this year, to be exact), and I didn't do so hot. I got a 158 on the actual day of, and I had heard of the blind review method beforehand, so I wasn't surprised because my best BR at the time was 161. (This was with three weeks of studying after having been back in the country less than two months after a year-long, overseas assignment. I said I haven't been doing things the 7Sage-approved way, okay? I got it!)

The point it, I've gone through all of the 7Sage lessons (exempting some problem sets because I'm also working full time right now, and there just wasn't enough time for all of them if I was going to get a decent amount of PTs in), and I started taking full, simulated PTs last week. I've done PT41-45 so far, and I'm a bit nervous. At first, I was doing really well. For PT41 my actual/BR was 160/171, PT42 159/171, and PT43 164/172. However, my last two weren't as good: PT44 160/167 and PT45 159/167. It's mainly the drop in the BR scores that's making me really nervous (that and the fact that the best I've done in logic games was a 60% accuracy and today was 46% accuracy). Does that happen? Does score improvement typically look more like a straight incline, or it is common for it to be more like a roller coaster with just a general upward trend? How many PTs do I need to go through before I'll be able to tell the difference?

I should probably add that after I do the blind review, I go back over all the ones I got wrong and try to figure out why the correct answer is right and why the wrong answer is wrong in my own words before I watch J.Y.'s explanations to confirm/correct my reasoning. It takes freaking forever, but I know that's the best way to learn. I'm just nervous that I'm not doing something correctly since even my BR scores have dipped, and I only have a few weeks to figure this out and avoid burnout at the same time. Words of advice/comfort/anything-of-an-anxiety-reducing-nature, someone? Anyone? Please?

Let's help each other?

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Happy studying.

I made a Scantron mistake that led to me to correct about 4 pages worth of LR answers. I didn't have time to erase very thoroughly and make strong, new marks, but I was able to erase and make new marks... How sensitive is the Scantron? Can it tell the difference between old and new marks if the old marks were erased but not very well erased?

There it was, staring back at me, a giant albatross of a mistake. As I confidently marked down the final LG answer as time expired, I look and realize, I'm marking bubble on row 24. This section only had 23 questions. Where did I go wrong? Did I skip a line? No. Did I double up? What happened?

And thus ended my chances at enjoying the possible post-LSAT high. Months and months of work and studying and prepping and a Scantron is going to be my doom.

See you all again next year.

I don't see how "H will go before G if and only if H is after F" translates to

G-H-F as one of the two possibilities.

(The second one was: F-H-G and I understand this)

Halp plz!

I'm scared that maybe I bubbled my LG section wrong, simply because I needed to skip around between games, and I can't remember if I properly ended on #23. It is probably just my OCD side acting out, but I guess some reassurance would be nice. Do other people have this same worry?

Does anyone else feel completely uncertain about how they did? I feel like I could have a 10 point band in my score.

I took my first LSAT exam in Hong Kong (the test was different from US tests) today and got panicked in the first section since the last game was EXTREMELY hard.

I found that it was experimental afterward, but at that time I was so panicked and hardly focus on the next LR section in early questions.

Thankfully I could manage myself to become a usual pace as time passes, but due to initial panic I was running out of time in the LR section (2nd section).

The 4th section was LG again. It was very difficult (although not insanely hard as the first experimental one) and I made some silly unusal mistakes in the first two easy games so couldn't have enough time at the last game and made a random guess for four to five questions.

Since I usually kill LG section (I got all questions right nine out of ten and got wrong at most two), this unexpected situations in LG screwed up my exam.

Unfortunately I did only a few full time tests as practice and I think this was a big problem for me.

Well, at least I learned lots of lessons from my first exam and now know what I should do for my second lsat exam in February.

So I just need advice for score cancellation.

I am ultimately targeting 176+ and I have solved about 20 PTs and for recent 10 PTs my scores have been from 172 to 177.

For this October exam, I was targeting 170+.

But since I did very bad in LG, which I usually kill, and panicked in one LR section, my expectation for the score is mid to late 160s .(can be worse if my panic was worse than I am thinking now...)

In this situation, I am feeling it might be better to cancel the score since it is definitely not reaching my target score.

Can you guys give me some advice on this? Would there by any drawbacks in canceling score?

Also, just curious, is LG getting more difficult in very recent exams?

I just wonder I failed it because I wasn't in usual pace or just LG is getting way harder.

I couldn't solve PTs from 71, but for PTs in 50s and 60s I feel the difficulty level was lower than the actual exam.

http://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/2737/logic-games-attack-strategy

I found this useful for games, is there some post or thing similar for reading comprehension?

i just took October LSAT and I have no idea what happened. I found 7sage to late in the game so didn't have time to use a course. Is it bad to take Febrary LSAT? Will this give me enough time? I am only scoring around 151 so do I need more time. and take another year to study. (I am 25 -26 in February. - so is that too old to wait another year?) --sorry freaking out a little

feeling pretty uncertain about today's test, especially on two sections. i did OK first time and was confident about 3 sections instead of 2...

Hello everybody,

I was wondering if anybody could help clarify something for me. I am a little confused about diagramming the sentences with two "if (or unless)". How could I translate the following sentence into the formal lawgic?

"no plant is worth growing unless it bears fruit"

I tried this way " - bears fuits ----> (P ---> - WG) " but this structure is not helpful.

Is it okay to translate this into either one of the following?

" -bears fruits ---> P ---> --WG" or " - bears fruits + P ---> - WG"

Can anyone shed some light on this?

P.S: Please helpe me with the next one too

"New investment that takes place while interest rates are falling cannot lead to the huge growth"

Because having a social life is overrated.

SATURDAY, October 3rd at 8PM ET: PT70

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Most of the time, my deductions and diagramming are the same with 7sage's, but it still took me average 12 mins to finish each section. What are other ways to improve speed?? Have you successfully overcome similar problem and do you mind sharing your experience?