Hi All:

I've come to a realization that I am just simply not ready for the June LSAT. I'm still going to try my best, walk in there, and see what im going up against (given the more recent tests are WAY harder than the older PT's iv'e been taking), and retake in October.

After going through a Blueprint Prep Course, about 12 tutoring sessions, and drilling and taking multiple PT's, Iv'e come to the conclusion that iv'e been studying completely wrong... I just took PT62 and got a 151. My diagnostic, at the beginning of the blueprint course, was at 133 (never been exposed to any type of formal/symbolic logic). Since my cumulative LSAC GPA is pretty low (did poorly in undergrad, retook close to 40% of those classes and Aced them; unfortunately, LSAC doesn't count retakes), my aim for a 165+ is the only thing that is going to keep my dreams alive of going to school's in the T20's. When i saw that 151 for PT62, After studying for so long, and not getting the score increase iv'e been wanting, it was a rough moment to say the least... I walked outside of the library, washed my face with cold water, and just accepted the fact that a miracle is not going to happen in 14 days. It's just not. I am leaving on a month-long trip to southeast asia with my girlfriend that is going away to medical school (once we get back, july 10) a day after the June 2015 LSAT.

I need to make sure that first off, my saying "that's it, im done" it relative to my current standing point, and I am not just giving up for nothing. Second, I have 3 full months of studying when I get back, and I'm considering this the last push of all; after rescheduling the Feb 2015 LSAT, Deciding to sit out this cycle was really heartbreaking for my girlfriend... we both wanted to start our postgrad school at the same time, so she can start doing her rotations where ever I'll be in Law School. Now, due to sitting out + her Med School schedule, we'll be living apart for another extra year. it really sucks.

My questions are:

1. I'm planning on hitting the ground RUNNING when i get back; literally. Next day, I'll be in full-blown study mode. I've been hearing nothing but good things about 7Sage and the LSAT Trainer. I'm planning on getting both, although i've been using 7Sage's free account and i have been following the Fool-Proof method for the LG, the Memory-Retainment for RC. What are your thoughts everyone?

2. I need some SERIOUS advice, because honestly, my tutor was a sham; He praised himself and promised the world, and instead, we did several problems per session, and I felt like he was intentionally stretching out the time so he can bill more hours (he wanted 100$/hr, i got him down to 75$. The BIGGEST financial mistake iv'e made, combined with Blueprint's 1500$ bomb). I need someone to give it to me rough, nasty, and as real as possible; I know there are MANY of you on 7Sage that know what you are doing... and I need that input. I'll give you any information you need, just ask by replying here. What do i do for the 3 months that i get back? where do i begin? do i start over completely? do i just nitpick at where i completely suck? let me give you a small breakdown by section so you understand where i'm standing...

A. LG - horrible. I obviously haven't done enough to master it, I'm still getting between -5 & -13 per sections.

B. RC- i've tried everything; from tagging the passage according to Blueprint/Testmasters strategy, to reading just the GIST (General Idea, Structure, Tone) and then referring back, to trying 7Sage's memory-method. When I Drill the sections, i'm not bad... i'll go -6 & -8. but when i PT them, i just don't have enough time to get to all the passages, and I literally end up guessing on a whole one.

C. LR- oh my lord.. where do I begin? i went from drilling between 50-200 questions of every question type, learning the strategies, but for some reason.. when its PT time, i'm just not there. **I even tried going for the accuracy strategy (spending more time on each question, but obviously not getting to all of them) because I realized even then, I simply wasn't getting to all of them.. but nooooooooo, still no good. I even tried switching up the order of the questions (doing 1-12, then 20-25, then 13-19).. AND YES, IV'E BEEN BLIND REVIEWING ALL MY PT'S. it usually goes up by about 10-12 pts.

3. I took JYPING's (7Sage Founder) advice on NOT to burn through the PT's, so i stopped at 62. NO more PT's! How do I counter that? What do I replace PT's (since i'll obviously need to take more than 10 PT's for October)... Do I just reuse the ones I took?

4. I feel completely burnt out at the moment, but for obvious guilt reasons I feel like I should keep going.. I literally eat, sleep, dream, feel LSAT; That's how its been since December!!

If any of you can help by providing insight based on experience, that would be really helpful. Honestly, I just got to the point where I am so mentally broken and disappointed in myself due to the inadequate progress that I really don't even know what to say to myself anymore.

Thanks everyone, I R-E-A-L-L-Y appreciate it.

Hi! I'm having some major troubles with assumption and "which will weaken the argument" questions...any tips would REALLY be appreciated at this point!

For assumption questions, I know that if the answer is false and the argument falls apart, then that answer is correct but I can't really seem to have enough time to do that for every response.

For weaken the argument questions, I'm not sure if I'm mistakenly focusing on the premises and should be focusing on just the arguments instead. I know I should be looking to destroy the relationship between the premises and the arguments, but I'm finding it difficult.

Again, many thanks in advance for any tips/advice!

Good morning, all-

I saw someone mention somewhere on the forum (can't seem to find it now) about unusual games making a reappearance and I'm trying to make sure I've been exposed to everything. You'll have to excuse my ignorance, when you all say "subzones," does that mean PT67, Game 4 specifically or what JY would call subcategories? I looked it up and saw that PT67 mentioned subzones specifically so I took and BR'd that one.

Other "weird" games I can think of off hand are circular, mapping (like the Zephyr airline one, right?) and pattern games. Are there any other weird types that I'm missing?

Hope everyone's studying is going well!

Hi All,

Sorry if this has been discussed already, I'm new to these boards.

I'm making a study schedule leading up to the October LSAT, and I know it is recommended to start from PT 35 and up. Should I start with the earliest ones and finish off with PT 50+ or start with PT 50+ and go to up to most recent PT's of 70+?

I might also take the December exam, so also keeping that in mind - I'm wondering if it is best to go in chronological order or just skip to the most recent preptests?

Thanks 7Sagers!

Hello.

So I am not sure where to put my question, so I will just write it here. I apologies if it is redundant, but I cannot find an answer yet. I have taken a prep course with Test Masters, and even though I improved from my original score and did learn something I am still not happy with my mid 150. My problem is that I did a lot of PTs, all of them starting from 2007. Some I did almost a year ago, but some were just recent. Of course there was no BR, so it was pretty much a waste of time. I am going to do all of the theory here again, since it seems that I have some fundamental misunderstandings there, but what should I do about PT practice? Should I take the tests I have already done again? How good would that be for me? Should I take the older ones? It seems that we'll do a lot of questions from those during the initial theory course. Any help or advice will help. Thanks.

I thought this would be a cool way to outline our priorities and maybe exchange ideas on what to review/go over :D!

-Last Week of LSAT Prep-

-As Much as possible of LG Bundle (2nd Time Around)

-Go Over PTs (Late 60s/Early 70s ESPECIALLY PT 74)

-PT 72/73 (After Reading Jon's Post I've decided I'll take one of these on Tuesday) BR and review should be good enough!

-Cambridge RC Packets

-Review 7Sage Lessons (LG/LR) -- LSAT Trainer Lessons (RC/LR)

-Sleep/Eat (I Sort of forget to do these 2 things, hehe)

Happy Posting :D!

Before I forget, I want to make a point of thanking JY for his generous efforts of posting all those logic game videos to Youtube for anyone to see. This has been the main reason my LG score improved from like -15 to almost perfect every time.

Unlike written self-study material, I can play this guy in the car, at the gym, at work (sometimes), etc. and get a lot more studying done than I would have if those videos weren't available.

I previously used Powerscore Logic Games Bible, and was doing OK on that, but when I found these videos was when it all really started clicking because I could hear someone else talking about it and explaining it.

Thanks man!

I didn't take the February LSAT but to those of you who did or read about it in Discussion, can you share any takeaways or specific things about Feb that might be worth knowing before this June PT? (Obviously something from Feb doesn't mean it will be in June, but I want to prepare just in case) IE was there a crazy hard or odd game or long RC passage, hard LR etc?

Thanks!

I noticed on PT 74 and in previous PTs that passages can vary in terms of difficulty and at least # of questions.

I was pretty married to the idea of just going in order - even if easier ones are earlier (emphasis on if), I wanted to get easy points out of the way.

But now I'm reconsidering changing the order of passages. If not based on predicted difficulty, then based on doing the ones with Most Questions first. Thoughts?

Hi! I'm taking the June LSAT next Monday, and was looking for a little advice. I know the Logic Games section is the most feasible section to get 100% of the questions correct. However, every time I take a prep test, my LG section always comes up a little short. I usually miss 3-5 questions, mostly because I don't have time to complete the last game. Any advice on how to improve before Monday, even just a little bit to get those points I'm missing? Thanks!

Hey everyone, hope everyone is studying hard!

I saw a recent post here about the LSAT 180 Watch, can't seem to find it anymore so I'm thinking it was maybe against the TOS, not sure.

Anyway I'm wondering what everyone uses to keep track of time, I'm just using an online stop watch for now, but when I get closer to taking real PTs I'm probably investing in a cheap analog watch, so if anyone had any suggestions please leave them below!

Everyone,

I've practiced every part of the test but the one section that fails to improve is RC. As a result, it prevents me frm getting the scores I want. I've tried annotating, using the memorization method, doing 3 sections for accuracy, but nothing seems to help it improve. I'm currently seeing 14-17 correct in that section. Pretty far off from the rest of my test. Does anyone have any suggestions or did they start doing something that just made it click for them? I've also been working through the Manhattan RC book but I'm not seeing any improvements as a result. I'm willing to put any amount of effort or time in to achieve it.

Thank you.

So I just completed the course and took my first time LSAT, PT36. It had four multiple choice sections and then the written. So, basically, no experimental section. Is that just luck of the draw or do certain years not have the experimental sections? Also, is the same test given during all four times of the year or is there the chance that the Feb 2015 had an experimental section and the October or December will not? Thanks ;)

Am really excited!

I am sorry about asking such a silly question, but for those of you who already took the real LSAT before, could you guys please tell me if the paper LSAT used was similar to the one that we normally use for printing at home/work or the one that is like recycled paper and somewhat gray-ish color?

Hello friends!

I'm planning to start studying for my LSATs around mid to end of June for the October lsat. Is anyone in the area that's down to be study buddies? Message me if so and let's get the motivation rolling! :)

Hi Guys

During the 15 minutes recess after first three sections, what do you guys usually do? Listening to cheerful music like Rocky's theme song is usually what I do. Do we need to relax during this 15 minutes or make us more excited facing the rest of sections?

Hey Everyone,

Got this question right when I did this initially, but having a tough time ruling out answer (D). I know at first glance it seems out of scope, but here's my reasoning why (D) could be right. If all scientific investigators don't receive any grants for which they apply, then they face no restrictions (ignoring anything that doesn't directly bear on the funded research), and therefore serendipity can still play a role. I know (D) sounds far-retched, but why can't it be a NA?

I know I've gone wrong somewhere in my thinking and I'd appreciate if anyone can help me out. Thanks!

Hi Everyone

In the beginning of doing prep test, my highest actual score is 152 with highest blind review score 162 after 7 prep tests. I figured something went wrong and I stopped doing prep-test and focused on drilling cambridge RC, LR section. I just restarted prep test this week. I got 155 in prep test 47 with BR score 167, and I got another 155 with BR score 173 in prep test 64. Does the difference between BR score and actual score signify how much I can improve?

Another thing is when I do LR sections, I always have second thoughts. Something like "oh man, why do I get stuck even before question 10, this should be easy" and I vacillate between 2 or 3 answer choices a lot, which wasted me lots of time. When I BR these questions, I usually found I chose right answer or I got it after several thoughts. It happened to me in the RC as well since I want to get all of questions right in the first passage which is supposed to be easier than other passages. I normally get above 20+ questions right in LG. Did what I said ever occur to you guys? How did you guys overcome this barrier? Thank you so much 7sagers!

Hello, my fellow 7sagers! These days I have been working on my lg bundle and realized that it takes much more time than I expected! I initially thought that it would take about 2-3 weeks to finish it according to the previous study schedule suggested by this site. But now I feel like it would take much more than that to finish the lg bundle if I properly follow the fool-proof method suggested by JYP :((

Is this normal or should I worry? I would really appreciate it if you guys share your lg bundle stories with me!

Thanks in advance :))

I have a couple of questions regarding how LSAC calculates our GPAs.

1st: Will they take any addendum into consideration or is that reserved solely for law school admissions?

2nd: What do the three passing, four passing and 5 point fields mean on the 7sage calculator? Are they credit hours?

Thanks and my average of my first 3 PTs after the course is 164 from a 152 diagnostic! Encouragement---go go go!!!

How did/do you guys determine where you will apply for law schools? This is mainly a question of curiosity.

Hello! I thought I would ask the 7sage community for some advice regarding my recent PT performance.

I had previously been PTing consistently in the high 160s to low 170s, but recently my last three PTs have been 166, 168, and 164. Am I taking too many PTs? I was wondering what course of action I should take:

A: Continue to take practice tests and drill like mad to take the June test

B: Do only light studying and take the June test

C: Pay to push my test date to October

Thanks so much for your input! If there's anything you can suggest that I didn't think of, please let me know.

Hey guys. During timed prep tests, I take a long time to answer PR and PF questions and I only get them right 20% - 40% of the time. Even with this issue, I score pretty consistently in the low 160's. I am considering skipping these questions altogether by guessing after a 30 second preliminary P.O.E. for questions of these sorts. Actually trying hasn't worked much better for me from a percentage standpoint and I think it would probably save me 3-4 minutes over the course of each LR section. Any recommendations?

Hey guys. During timed prep tests, I take a long time to answer Parallel Reasoning and Parallel Flaw questions and I only get them right 20% - 40% of the time. Even with this issue, I score pretty consistently in the low 160's. I am considering skipping these questions altogether by guessing after a 30 second preliminary P.O.E. for questions of these sorts. Actually trying hasn't worked much better for me from a percentage standpoint and I think it would probably save me 3-4 minutes over the course of each LR section. Any recommendations? Does anyone else skip problems under timed conditions?