Maybe it is a symptom of our generation's tendency for instant gratification but does anyone else feel like the next three weeks are going to drag on forever??? I can't believe it's only been a little over a day since we took the January exam. What are you people doing to pass the time? It feels weird not having to do drills and PTs anymore...

I am on the Logic lesson in the CC so i am in the beginnings. I'm a bit worried since I will take the test on September and it will be digital. For example in LR questions, if we wanna draw the arrow(sufficient, necessary), how are we supposed to do that? Does anyone have any idea? or is drawing the arrows are not necessary in general? If someone can give me insight on this I would really appreciate it.

HI everyone,

Looking for some advice and thought this type of thing could apply to some other people in similar situations. I Just took the January LSAT and am expecting a score in the 167-171 range based on my PT average of a 171 and how I felt about the test. I have a 3.85 undergrad GPA and currently work full time. I have one specific law school that I would like to attend and am probably going to be around their medians. However at this point I haven’t even started a single part of my application. No letters of Rec, no essays, absolutely nothing. Is it worth it for me to try and put an application together and apply at the end of the cycle this year or should I just be waiting until next year at this point? I’m also worried that getting rejected this year could hurt my chances next year if I was essentially just to reapply with the same numbers.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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Hi i am looking for a serious study buddy for either the June or July test.

My schedule is weird because I have to work.

I can meet

Monday-Thursday-9:30am-12:30pm

Tuesday I can’t meet

Friday I can meet after 11 until whatever time I need to be there

Saturday and Sunday I am flexible can meet morning or afternoon or evening.

I live on the upper west side. I am happy to meet any where on the weekend but during the weekday I have to stay on the upper west side because I have to be at work at 1. We can meet at any library or my apartment is quiet. I use 7sage and I have all the resources, books, prep tests. I am scoring in the high 150’s. I am hoping for a 180. I will settle for a 179 but nothing below that. My strength are Logic Games. My weakness is RC. Let me know if anyone is interested and willing to put the work and conquer this test. Let’s go to HAVARD LAW SCHOOL TOGETHER CLASS OF 2023

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So it appears that one of my essay was selected by an undergrad IR journal (Yale Review of International Studies)... To what extent does it help me with my application to a T14 school? How should I maximize the benefit it may bring me? Thank you!

Hey 7sagers,

Just wanted to know if anyone has used/come across online tools that can train you to read faster? (Hopefully for free)

I have come across https://spreeder.com. I am not sure if anyone has used this but I have read it on previous discussions that it has worked.

Any thoughts, recommendations or general speed reading advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

I have fool proofed LG 1-35 and I'm still averaging -8 or -10. I think my problem is I didn't do the weird games that showed up 1-20. Should I just do those games i didn't fool proof or should I start over?

While working with the translation rules in the introduction to logic section, I sometimes assign different symbols than J.Y. usually adds. I still get the answer correct, as far as the correct translation into lawgic, however, my symbols are sometimes off. I just wanted to know if that would hurt me more in the long run than it does now?

Hi everyone, I am need of advice.

I wrote the LSAT yesterday. I don't think I did too well. I have a feeling I am going to write it again. I am debating if I should cancel it ? If I cancel it, will this appear on my record ? But at the same time, I think it would be smart to get an idea how I did. I am just worried that if the score is too bad, it may look bad on my application.

Any advice would be appreciated :)

Do yo time yourself when doing the problem sets in the CC? And do you throughly BR the problem sets?

I am already familiar with the LSAT as I've taken it before but I'm trying to go through the CC as if I know nothing. As of right now I've been doing the problem sets untimed and instead of BR after, for each question in the set I say or circle why the AC is wrong and why the answer choice is right. So I sort of do a quick BR while doing the questions untimed if that makes sense. Since I am familiar with the test already the problem sets I have done (I've only gone through two) have been the easiest ones so BR just seemed pointless as I was 100% confident in the answer choices. But...I also wasn't timing myself. Since I'm not too far along if I'm doing this completely wrong I want to change my ways now versus later!

Hi, all.

I'm barely scraping a 154 (138 cold diag), and after choking on the exam yesterday, I've decided to delay a year and take the July exam.

My typical breakdown is as follows:

LG: -4 LR: -10 LR: -10 RC: -13, I can BR up to about 164

I plan to continue to fool-proof games until I can consistently go -1 or -0, I think this is very realistic for me considering I started at -18 on games. I will restart the CC on LR and RC, I am missing a lot of basic fundamental skills.

I've burned through a lot of the recent PT's, does anyone have advice on how to start over? I have about 5 months until the July test, I'm really hoping to sit down and really learn the test. I really feel like if I learned LR like I've learned LG, I could break into the high 160's. Please let me know if this is a pipe dream lol.

Thanks to all!

I had LR RC LR LR LG - Not sure how much we are able to share about answers but did anyone else get a weird string of Ds toward the end of one of the LR sections? I think it was the third or fourth...this totally threw me off. I saw it posted in another discussion thread too...

I retook a class and went from a C to an A. From my understanding the LSAC counts both. However on my transcript it has both grades but the first one has a 0.00 credit therefore not changing my Undergrad GPA. Also next to the C there is a status column that includes an "E" which according to my schools website means "Repeated course; grade is excluded in cumulative grade point average; hours are excluded from hours earned."

So with that said, does the LSAC count the original grade when there is zero credit given? How could they assume the credit possible? Or would they just go to the second grade and take that credit and apply it to both?

Does anyone think that the curve will be -12 for January? I don't think anyone got that one question on the logic games correct. Last December had -12. What do you think?

I just have to get this off my chest because it keeps blowing my mind, and I'd love any advice or just someone else to say they feel me on this. I approach the games with so much enthusiasm. I actually find them fun, and I adore the "aha" moments of discovering inferences. I tend to get the answers right and then do a happy dance. However, every time I tackle the section under strict real-time conditions (the real Nov. test, several mock proctored PT situations), I can't perform. I not only run out of time, but I'm so scared of running out of time that I rush and misread and screw up my setups. After it's over, I come home and knock out those very same games, set everything up correctly, and get them all right. AND IT'S SO FRUSTRATING because it feels like these games are IMPOSSIBLE and POSSIBLE at the same time. I'm 75% through the CC, and I'm just starting to foolproof. I realize now that foolproofing for time is just as important as foolproofing for accuracy. I bought a big binder and filled it with plastic sheet protectors and purchased two packs of super thin dry-erase markers and erasers. I hope this method works because if I actually need to print 10 copies of every game, I fear I'll wreck my husband's printer. I'm going to fullproof like my freaking life depends on it so I can jump over this hurdle in time to be awesome for the June test. It hurts my brain to both think and rush at the same time, but that's what it's going to take. Hold me accountable, you guys, please!

Hello Tutors,

I'm looking for a 7sage tutor who can help me reach a score of 170+ on the LSAT. I'm currently scoring in the late 140s.

Should I even bother taking March? Or is it smarter to focus on June/July? I've already got one take under my belt and I know taking the test before you're ready isn't ideal. Should I be aiming for March if I'm totally comfortable studying until June? I know the unlimited takes rule is a thing now but I certainly don't have unlimited funds to shell out for these takes.

Today, many of us, including myself, took the Jan LSAT. Congratulations for having survived the tribulation. I just wanted to share a little anecdote with you, my peers.

For me, today, on the very question of the very last section, as the proctor called out for us to drop the pencil, I noticed I had chosen the wrong answer. I immediately felt a monstrous and bestial or animalistic urge to change the answer choice, but I stopped myself, then came a sense of indignance, but soon after, I only felt relief as I just closed my eyes and closed my booklet. Discipline. Acceptance. Confidence. I believe I have started to grasp all these things now, and that one wrong question didn't matter in the face of true growth.

Some of you know might know I got expelled from the Nov LSAT because I did not drop my pencil fast enough, and I have tried my best to learn from that experience. As many of you pointed it, "duh", and logically I agree. But emotionally, it was truly excruciating, especially when so many around me in that test or even today, did the same thing and were unpunished, and especially since I was practicing at, what I believed, to be my peak capabilities. But logic must triumph over emotions. Just because other people weren't punished, doesn't mean I didn't deserve to be punished, and it was only just that I was punished. We dedicate so much to this test, and to get completely denied, and permanently labeled, like that was soul shaking. I had to take time completely away from the LSAT, and 7sage.

I had to really look into myself about why I felt so bad, and indignant, because I knew I didn't deserve to feel like that. I was in the wrong. I discovered that, at that point, I was deeply emotionally and illogically attached to the LSAT. Many people on the forums have described the LSAT journey as an obsession, and for me, it was an unhealthy one. I needed to change so that this wouldn't happen to me again. This meant not only strategic and competency changes, but also mental changes, so that I won't even be tempted again. I wrote a short post about the "5 Minutes Remaining" method that helped me strategically. In terms of mentality, however, I had to get out of my own head, change my mindset from a subjective one to an objective one. I had to truly embrace that LSAT isn't worth getting upset, anxious, or depressed about, that law school was just one out of infinite options, and that if something was fated to happen, or if something was able to teach me something, then it cannot be a bad thing and that if it wasn't a bad thing, then I shouldn't feel bad. Whatever happened, happened, and whatever will happen, will happen.

Sitting here right now, I don't know if I did better in this test or not, but at this point, I don't think it really matters. It's all in fate's hands now. I'm just proud because I didn't make the same mistake again, but not out of fear of punishment, but because I knew what was right, and what was logical, and what was meaningful to me.

As it is a point of distinction for NWPSL, there really isn't much material out there for us to prepare for this, so I thought I might share with you how I went from being unable to answer any questions in the given amount of time to answer every and any question they threw at me with ease and dexterity (and maybe you can see how much the process parallels the preparation for LSAT, and see how well preparing for LSAT can be a highly transferable skill if done properly). My starting point is probably lower than most of you. I deathly fear public speaking and interviews, and have had traumatic experiences that still make my forehead sweat and my hair stand when I think about them. But just like when I bomb an PT, I took a deep breath and chose to look at these failures as learning opportunities, and fuel to help me go farther.

Luckily for us, everything we need to succeed in the NWPSL interview is already given to us in the form of the Kira App.

I practiced the the whole month of Jan in conjunction with my LSAT prep, every day for 15-30 minutes. I will break down my experiences and results week by week.

First week: I was not able to formulate any answers, and I embraced that. I didn't try to brute force the questions and ramble off answers. Like with the LSAT questions stems, I tried to systemize my approach to these questions. So even though I wasn't able to answer any of the questions, I just kept listening to the sample questions, categorizing them, and breaking them down. By the end of the first week, I was confidently able to put every question they offered into one of four categories in a 2x2 matrix. On the x axis were the two types of questions: one, the X, Y, and C question types, which I define to be "tell me about a thing (X), why (Y) did you choose this thing, and conclude (C) what it meant to you" - an example in their words would be something like: "tell me what you are most disciplined in, and why?"; two, the S,T,A, and R question types, which many of us have heard about before, and is an acronym for situation, task, action, and result - an example in their words would be something specific like: "tell me about a challenging professional situation, how you resolved it, and what did you learn." or something vague like: "tell me a time you had to change someone's perspective." On the y axis were the two styles of responses I believe they expect: one is the professional business style interview response; and the other is the informal, coffee chat style interview response. I believe they want to see both sides of you. You will be able to differentiate these two based on the interviewer and their tone of voice. By the end of the week, with this matrix, I was able to start matching a few experiences to broad concepts that can apply to a bunch of questions. This simplification and streamlining process is key for those of us who are not natural speakers, since we can reduce the number of things we think about, and use a few flexible experiences to respond to almost infinite questions.

Second week: I was able to formulate broken or half responses to some of the questions. To clarify, in case it wasn't clear by this point, I used a notebook to write down my X, Y, C, or S, T, A, R's, and took notes on the questions and analyzed my responses for every question. Reviewing the recording is key, just like how you can learn a lot about your weaknesses by watching recordings of your PT, you can see every single mistake you make in interviews and try to fix them. By this point, I realized that the crux was that finishing early was a much better alternative than not finishing, and that rambling was the worst possible outcome next to complete silence. So I created some concrete rules for myself, such as: one, no tangents or background stories unless I still have 3/4ths of the timer left; two, start concluding before the 2/3rds timer mark. Background information doesn't matter; this is not a short story; you aren't graded on narrative; just get to the point. Pay attention to the timer. One minute is incredibly short, and we cannot treat this interview like any other. Just like the LSAT, it is better to skip certain things and get to the end, than to not finish. By the end of the second week, I was able to answer a some questions by rote that I have seen a handful of times at this point. I also realized, by practicing everyday, at different times of the day, that I answered much better in the afternoon/evening, than in the morning. Another thing that I noticed was that proper framing and recording techniques mattered, so what I mean here is: that your camera should be eye level; the frame should show a bit more than the top of your head on the top, and a bit more than your chest on the bottom (preferably show your hands to gesticulate); you should be either in the center of the frame, or slightly to the side, but if you are off centered, then it looks better to turn your body towards the camera.

Third week: I was very familiar with my matrix and was able to fairly confidently draft and talk about any topic the questions threw at me, but still had some rough edges. I was still tense, and often looked away from the camera when the topic was unfamiliar to me. Luckily, my brother was visiting me at the time, and I asked him for some feedback. He is younger than I, but was the social one of us, and he gave me one advice, to talk as if I was talking to a friend. This really helped, although it was a little unnatural at first. To further compensate for my nerves, I discovered that I was much more relaxed and better at the interview after I worked out, and something else that I did that helped, but I don't recommend, is I drank a ounce of wine 15 minutes beforehand. By the end of the third week, I was just going through the motions, and everything was pretty much just clicking into place, like some 1 or two star LR questions.

Fourth week: I only had a few days left before I needed to do the real interview, and was getting a bit nervous due to the impending deadline. But I told myself to believe in the system and the process. For the last two days, I was just practicing as if it were the real interview. One thing I discovered this week that helped was that if I had the chance to meet with peers or friends to chat earlier that day, my responses came out more friendly and more naturally, so I organized a lunch on the day of the interview to chat and catch up with friends.

Actual Interview: Almost everything I prepared for came in exactly as I needed. I was relaxed and natural. The categorization helped put me into a flow that just helped ideas slide out. It was like antifreeze for my frozen brain, especially for topics I was unfamiliar with. The only thing that I did, but turned out to be unnecessary was that I differentiated responses that were 1 minute long and 1.5 minutes long. On the actual interview, all my questions only gave me 1 minute. Most of them were formal, 2 of them were informal. About half of them required the XYC format, and half required the STAR format. I just wore my comfortable clothes, which included sweatpants, and alumni jacket for my undergrad college.

In conclusion, everything's coming up Milhouse? This process was so helpful, I wish I could pay to have access to it again. It was such a wonder way to practice for interviews in general.

I apologize for the long post, but I thought maybe someone would appreciate the detailed process.

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Hey 7Sagers,

Here's the official January 2019 LSAT Discussion Thread.

**Please keep all discussions of the January 2019 LSAT here!**(/red)

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Something I have been reflecting on, and I think can help some of you who just started on the LSAT journey are some of the hacks I gained over time. I call them the LG sixth sense. When doing questions, sometimes, you can just feel whether you did something wrong. For example, when you do your acceptable situation question, you can learn from that whether you properly diagrammed the board; when you see a lot of CBT/MBT/CBF questions, you can probably assume that this game can be split into very explicit sub-boards; when you run into a local question stem, but no clear big inference pops up, you probably missed a rule or misunderstood something. These just hacks that came to me after review lot of games critically.

Do you guys have some hacks that you have developed over time for LGs? If so, why not share it? Thanks, and cheers =)

Hi I don't see any posts about the international test, so I thought relevant discussions/questions here.

My specific question is which LG is experimental. The one with the weird product origins game at the end or the one with the pet owner thingy at the end?

Best of luck to all of you!