Does anyone have any idea when explanations will be available for the November LSAT, in particular logic games?

Anyone know how far back we have to go? I feel silly writing about being suspended in 4th grade for popping a juice box in class against the the teacher's wishes...

Hey everyone,

We compiled a complete list of the 2018 medians (class of 2021) here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tUI5y-Sw2utvXvUEk9IQDzC1Rc0NDb7Q4PFwzxYkZpw/edit?usp=sharing

This sheet also contains some numbers on the following:

There’s another tab on the bottom with all 2018 ABA disclosures except attrition.

We're still working to update our predictor and https://classic.7sage.com/admissions/top-law-school-admissions/ with the new medians. Stay tuned!

My sister did her undergrad at one of the schools I plan on applying to and currently does research for the university. She is also applying to one of the school's PhD programs.

Part of the reason I bring this up is this school will be a reach for me. Is something like this even worth bothering to mention to the ad com? And if it is, what would be the best way to incorporate this into an application?

Thanks for your input

guys, I am having a huge problem understanding negative/double negative/triple negative statements,

whether they are an answer choice or in stimulus of LR questions.

I can understand them, but it just takes me a long time. Is there any efficient way to turn them into positive statements so that I can understand what the OPPOSITE of them says so I can make sense of them? (remove the negative components)

Here's one of the simpler examples: No tax reduction package that would greatly inconvenience parents will be adopted this year.

The way that I can understand such a statement in my head is being getting rid of "NO" and replacing it with every tax reduction package that would greatly inconvenience parents will NOT be adopted this year.

Note: I am not having trouble NEGATING statements (ex. NONE ---becomes ---> SOME)

PLEASE help!!

Hey everyone I'll be sitting for my first test this January under disability accommodations due to a broken hand. Im currently pting at an average of about 149/150. Examples: PTJ07 Diagnostic :145,PT36:150 BR:162,PT40:153,BR:160 PT42:151 BR;159, PT50:152 BR:162.

LR: Average -11.3, Best -8. Worst -15

LG: Average -9.3, Best -7, Worst -11

RC: Average -11.7, Best -9, Worst -16

My goal realistically is around a155 or a 55 yet my highest pt has only been a 153. My first PT was 11/19, since then I've made a +7 (LSAT Test Analytics page.)Is this doable? I plan to revisit the CC fundamentals on LR & LG, while drilling timed LR and LG sections my worst two imo, lastly I've also started working with a tutor Friday. Does anyone have any advice for me to help me increase my score ?

Hey, everyone! I am wanting some tips for practicing Logic Games. I am open to all suggestions from anyone and everyone.

Currently, I am working on the June 2017 LG section, and it is very hard. I thought I had a few skills down pack, but I may need a little more assistance. I’m primarily looking for tips on setting up a LG, recognizing different LGs and their questions, shorthand ways of writing rules, etc.

Let me know what you all have done to improve your LG score. Thank you!

Hi everyone! NYU's "optional statement" (i.e. addendum opportunity) says to provide:

"any information ... to give you full credit for your accomplishments, to help the Committee reach an informed decision on your application."

Then they specify that, "Information that has been helpful in the past includes, but is not limited to, descriptions or documentation of disabilities, a history of standardized test results, unusual circumstances which may have affected academic performance, or personal/family history of educational or socioeconomic disadvantage. This list is not all-inclusive, but we offer it for you to think about as you consider whether such information might be relevant in your case, and to assure you that including it is quite appropriate."

Does this mean that including information like you scores on the SAT or ACT is helpful to include? Also, if you are writing an addendum about a now-resolved medical issue impacting your LSAT score, does this mean it would be helpful to provide medical documentation to add validity to your claim?

Hadn't seen these specifications on any other application as of yet and am not sure how to interpret it.

Thanks for any help!

Hi everyone,

I would like some advice on what I should do. I am registered for the January 2019 test, which is 1 month and 11 days away. I have yet to reach my goal score of 165 on a PT. I have taken 8 PTs (1per week) since I completed the CC, my score breakdown is as follows:

PT37: Actual - 152 BR: 166 (RC:-6, LR:-12, LG:-11 LR:-10)

PT38: Actual - 154 BR: 171 (LR:-9, LG:-9, RC:-9, LR:-9)

PT39: Actual - 158 BR: 165 (LG:-7, LR:-10, RC:-7, LR:-8)

PT40: Actual - 155 BR: 165 (LR:-6, LG:-5, LR:-13, RC:-10)

PT41: Actual - 156 BR: 166 (LR:-10, LG:-7, LR:-8, RC:-8)

Then I decided to skip to the modern tests to give myself the best shot at a potential January LSAT

PT73: Actual - 151 BR: 166 (RC:-14, LR:-8, LG:-10, LR:-10)

PT74: Actual - 150 BR: 165 (LR:-8, LG-14, RC:-13, LR:-9)

PT75: Actual - 152 BR: 167 (LR:-13, RC:-11, LR:-8, LG:-8)

Right now I am trying to adapt to the perceived heightened difficulty of the newer exams, particularly in RC (although I need to make improvements across the board). Was it a bad idea to skip from PT42 to 73?

My rational for wanting to test in January is as that I am an anxious test taker and feel like experiencing the real test will allow me to be more relaxed if I have to retake (probable). Also, since most law schools only care about the highest score and there is no limit to how many times one can test, I feel like I might as well try.

I am also registered for March 2019 and plan on taking June and July if need be.

I work part time while studying for the test and will continue to do so until I reach my target. My daily study schedule looks like this:

7 days a week:

from PTs)

This makes it all the more discouraging as my score has gone down, but I'm confident I will reach my goal eventually.

I feel as if the majority of my missed points stem from sacrificing accuracy in the name of trying to get 2 passes at the questions in LR. When I take a fresh PT I usually get to the last question in 29-30 minutes, but have rushed through and doubtless circled too many questions to review the rest in 5 minutes.

Should I take January to get the real "game-day experience" and hopefully feel more relaxed when I go for a re-take or do I postpone? My gut says to take a shot.

Any advice is appreciated.

Hey folks,

I know when using the question bank - for example with games - you are able to filter your search to look for specific game types (in/out, sequencing, etc.). I was wondering is there a way to do that for comparative passages?

I am starting to focus on studying comparative passages. Is there a list from easy - medium - hard, that folks could recommend?

Thanks in advance.

how many questions are in test bank in total? I see Logical reasoning has 611 in total. Thinking of purchasing additional access to more if available.

Thanks!

My question is whether I should learn the basics for all LR and Logic games and then proceed to attack the quizzes and tests with the Blind Review method? Or should I follow the core curriculum and not skip any parts?

Thank you!

took PT 72 this past week. Man I got pummeled. Tough LR, RC, and LG. Anyone else feel this PT was really hard? Even with the curve, I still felt it was really really hard.

Time to geek out over data.

http://abarequireddisclosures.org/Disclosure509.aspx

Have you guys ever gotten EMAILED admissions decisions on the weekend?

I wanted to share tis video with everyone. A friend of mine sent it to me as a joke, but I quickly thought of RC. Hope you are able to see the video and get a quick laugh.

https://www.facebook.com/505402872831692/videos/744256855612958/

So by looking at the ABA disclosures I realized that a lot of law schools don't offer full tuition scholarships no matter what. And even fewer schools offer money to pay for housing. So is having my housing covered just out of the picture? Also, should I be prepared to not receive a full scholarship. Is this normal in most cases? Do most have to take out loans to finance law school and cover housing?

I dreamed of one day being able to make one of these posts...

In mid 2016, I quit my job, moved back home and began pursuing my path to getting into a Canadian law school. I had completed a 4 year honours BA in 2011 and an MA in 2013. Upon graduation, I began a job in the social services that was rewarding but very low paying and ultimately unfulfilling in regards to my broader goals pertaining to social justice. For two years I worked this job while struggling to make ends meet living alone in a big Canadian city. In the summer of 2016, I made the decision to leave my job and begin pursuing law school, which had been in the back of my mind since beginning undergrad.

I began studying for the December 2016 LSAT in late August of that year in my parents' basement. I took a part-time research job with a professor from my alma mater, which I only thought would last for a few months to a year at the most. Despite my best efforts and having read the PowerScore Logic Games and Logical Reasoning books cover to cover (huge waste of time), I still couldn't pull off a score higher than 145 by the time late October rolled around. Panic and anxiety clouded my judgment as I clumsily threw together many poorly written and unfocused personal statements mere days before the November 1 deadline for applying to law school. When the test date rolled around, I knew I was doomed but something compelled me to write it. I walked out of the test with my head pounding and knew I had failed. Why I didn't cancel my score, I have no idea, but it accurately reflected how I felt walking out of the test... 145. I realized how poor my approach was and the extent of my mistakes once I discovered the 7sage forums...

I discovered 7sage shortly after writing the Dec 2016 LSAT and began doing the core curriculum. I would spend the entirety of 2017 on 7sage and doing research for my part-time job remotely... all from my parents' basement. My girlfriend was living in another city with her parents and we had to commute to see each other this entire time. I kept thinking I was getting better at the test but would only improve in small increments. I kept booking new LSAT test dates and then cancelling them one or two months before the date. Eventually, I settled on a drop dead date of February 2018 to get in for September of that year. I had a mini breakthrough and began scoring in the mid 150s by December of last year. I eventually got a tutor from 7sage (shoutouts to Daniel). I spent all of January doing prep tests and thorough blind reviews. My triumph was hitting a 160 and my low point was scoring a 150 two weeks before the test date. I wrote the Feb 2018 LSAT and felt much better walking out of the testing room. My partner and I took a long planned three month vacation to travel throughout South East Asia two days after the test date. I remember reading my score in an airport in Laos... 156. I was elated. Even though I didn't hit a 160, I had told myself previously that I would settle for anything above 155 in hopes that my age, work and academic success would make up for it.

Between March and August of this year, I must have checked my application pages to the four law schools I applied to in excess of 2,000 times. I knew the LSAT scores were delivered late for the Feb 2018 test and wondered how this was going to impact my chances. Once May rolled around I learned I was waitlisted for U of Ottawa and this excited me. I was sure I was going to get in because the year before, the majority of those on the waitlist ended up getting accepted, according to lawstudents.ca. One week later, I was waitlisted for Windsor... I got this in the bag, or so I thought. My hopes were crushed significantly upon finding out my place on the waitlist in late June for Ottawa... 221/298. Devastating. I began dashing any hopes of going to law school and began thinking about career opportunities in my field of research.

I really hunkered down for the 2019 application cycle. I arranged for a second strong academic reference and the professor from my alma mater, whom I am still working with presently, wrote an exceptional letter of recommendation about the work we had done together since 2016. My personal statement was now clearly worded and well-focused. I submitted my applications but without high hopes after having such a negative experience in the previous cycle. The past two months were miserable, as I faced the prospect of unemployment in the near future as my research grants are coming to a close. I had essentially given up on the idea of becoming a lawyer and was certain that I would not get accepted this cycle, similarly to last. However, on Tuesday night I learned that I received admission to the University of Ottawa for next September. I was so elated that tears streamed down my cheeks.

My partner and I are moving to Ottawa in September and I will go to law school. Even though I felt like I was in a rut for the better part of two years, this all makes it worth it. So for anyone who is struggling, doing PTs, and feeling like they are going nowhere in their pursuit, I encourage you to keep going and don't give up. If I can do it, you can. This was long but brief in relation to how my life has been for the past two years so I encourage you to ask me any questions about LSAT prep or admissions that you may have and I'd be happy to share my experiences with you.

Thank you for reading

tl;dr - spent two years studying, writing LSATs, finally got a decent score this year, but ultimately was rejected last cycle, got depressed, applied one more time not thinking i would get in, got into law school this week

From NYU--

Improvements to the Law School’s Loan Repayment Assistance Program—now LRAP Plus—provide new options for graduates in public service careers.

Most participants in LRAP Plus will be able to earn up to $100,000 a year and have no monthly payment on their law school loans. If participants stay with the income-driven plan for 10 years until completion, their loans can be fully forgiven with the lowest overall out-of-pocket expenses possible.

See links below for more details:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/lrap-plus-loan-repayment-assistance-program-public-service

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If I assign a letter to a school that has not been submitted to LSAC from the writer, can I still submit the application? Will LSAC forward along the letter when it's turned in?

Hello! Hope you all are having a nice holiday season and studying hard.

I recently wrote the Nov LSAT and earned a 159. I want to retake, but I am unsure if it is better to use my November score than wait until Jan, which might only be a marginal improvement. My overall GPA is a 2.93, but I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder during my second year. I came back and earned a 3.44 (last three years) with a 3.83 in my final year. It is a major part of my application and I was curious which score I should be using. I have applied to every Canadian school with the exception of Lakehead. I know that the vast majority of schools only keep a limited number of spots for January takers.

Love to get some feedback.

Thanks!

Hi all,

I was wondering if it's really important to indicate areas of interest on the application. I am torn between two, I know it will definitely change in law school. So is it better to check the "I am not sure" box or just choose one of the two?

Thank you!!

Has anyone used this book and found it useful? I do have 7sage ultimate and have completed the CC but am still struggling with LR. My LR scores have gone down post-CC, and I am really just looking for something else to help boost my LR. I also have the LSAT trainer and find some of the material useful but most of it not.

Thanks in advance.

If I get an LOR for 2019, but don’t end up applying, and instead apply next year for the 2020 cycle, would that be ok?

Hypothetical question: Would you rather be a run of the mill student at HYS or one of the top students at a lower t-13 school? Why?