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Feeling Overwhelmed - curious to hear your advice and any insight.

I took Blueprint as a LSAT introduction and thought the first half of the course was helpful. Then it got too advanced and I felt like my foundation wasn't strong enough yet. I switched over to the LSAT Trainer and thought it was much better. I am still spending most of my time practicing Logic Games before tackling LR and LC. I did the first LG drill sets following the LSAT Trainer schedule for PT 72 and 73, but ended up having to look up the explanations on here. Hence, why I joined 7Sage since I felt like I still wasn't learning enough from the LSAT Trainer. Now I have my study schedule but I want to skip to Intro to LG since I've been working on LG first. Any thoughts? Should I just start over from the Intro to Arguments on here and follow the schedule?

Hi! So studying for July 15, finished the CC here and now drilling with the free Khan Academy materials (and to simulate digital testing), doing 1 PT/wk., but increasing to 2/wk at the 3 month mark, then at 1.5months out doing 3/wk.

PT scores are 167, 170, 175, 167, 166 for PTs 36-40, respectively.

I generally average -4 on LR (though this can be affected by if I'm mentally weariness/clarity), LG -4 (miscellaneous games kill me when they emerge), and RC -4.

Thoughts on how to move fwd? I want to clear 170 on test day, dreaming of NYU ED acceptance. UGPA 4.0 and in a MA program in the MENA region currently.

Pls help with any tips you have.

Do NOT take a PT the day after drinking alcohol. I "knew better," but I've been studying for so many months that I thought I could get away with doing this today, and it's impossible. I made it through, but I ran out of time on every section, and it made me feel absolutely miserable. Lessons will be repeated until learned. This time I think it sunk in...see you on July 16, alcohol!

Is it ok to br rc right after pt?

I read that I should br within 24hrs, but it seems I'd remember stuff much more if I br right away.

What's better? br right after or do it after two days? It takes me whole day to br lr and lg, and by the end of it I get really tired. So it's either I br rc right after pt or do it two days after...

This has come up briefly before on the forums, but I wanted to ask more about chaining biconditionals rather than splitting. On PT 54 game 1, because I wasn't on point with my understanding of biconditionals, I tried to chain up the first two rules with the rest, and it ended up being a total mess. I was super confused, whereas when I came back to it and just split the board and got rid of the biconditional it was a lot easier.

I think there are times where chaining biconditionals is helpful, but my real question is, do we then have to write two versions of it when trying to read the chain? Because biconditionals can be /A (-) B or A (-) /B, (and the other two for "always together"), I find it pretty hard to read the chains. How do you guys go about this / is it ever really THAT helpful? It seems like if a biconditional comes up on an in-out game, it's always better to split it?

Also if you know of any games that use chaining biconditionals, that would be helpful!

We've been working on a digital tester so you can prep on 7Sage for the digital LSAT this July and beyond.

Now you can access our digital tester (Beta version) so you can practice taking PrepTests digitally. Please note that the digital tester is still in beta mode so there might be issues with it.

When you're ready to take a PrepTest, click on "Blind Review, Score and Review" for the PrepTest you want to take:

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Note that you'll only have access to the PrepTests included in your course. Free users have access to the June 2007 PrepTest only.

Alternatively, you can also go to Analytics. Then, select the PrepTest you'd like to take and you will see an option to take the PrepTest digitally, like this:

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Please keep in mind that because this is a Beta version:

We would very much appreciate it if you could let us know of any issues you encounter so we can fix them!

Hey guys so im retaking the lsat in September 2019. I scored pretty bad in the Feb 2018** test then took a year off because I just didnt feel good enough. But after much time off, I just feel like I could do so much better! I scored a 150 and honestly my problem is with LR ! If I was untimed which I know is of zero value, I get -3/4 but add time and boom -9/10 per LR section. For logic Games, Its actually my strongest section averaging about -2/3 per section. I am aiming for 168–170 because my top choice is Fordham Law School (3.8 gpa) and Boston College. Im studying about an 1-2 hours everyday sometimes more depending on work and schedule! Any tips? is it doable? I used blueprint last time, and it was a great course but very fast in my opinion. I am currently using the bibles, I like the question breakdown and details but I also have the trainer that ill be using as well. I have about 5.5 months. Also if anyone needs an accountability or online study partner, I’m so interested:) any tips/study suggestions are welcome?

Hi everyone,

On Wednesday, April 10 at 9 p.m. ET, I’ll host a webinar with our newest consultant Elizabeth Cavallari, a former admissions officer at William & Mary Law School, and our own Selene Steelman, a former director of admissions at Cardozo Law.

I’ll ask them about life on the other side of the admissions desk, including questions like this:

You’ll get a chance to ask your questions at the end.

:warning: You’ll have to register for this webinar in advance.

:cookie: After the webinar, we’ll award one attendee a free Edit Once (see https://classic.7sage.com/admissions/enroll).

→ Please register for the webinar here: https://zoom.us/webinar/register/8181831f40e47792cde7dc3c8da9331e

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar.

Zoom might prompt you to download something before you can join the webinar, so I’d advise you to show up a bit early.

I hope to see you there!

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Hello! I just complete the March LSAT and honestly miss practicing LG. I figured since I continue to practice them daily that I would offer private tutoring for anyone struggling with foundational LG skills. I consistently finish this section with -0 and would like to help others get to that point as well!

I wouldn't charge anything for 7sagers, but if anyone knows any websites that I could post about this tutoring service and actually get paid that would be great!

Hi there, I received my first rejection letter. It's from my top choice school. Predictable, given my LSAT score was way below the school's lowest median percentile score. However, the letter, after saying no, says: "Should you consider attending [the school] in the future, I would encourage you to explore the opportunities available as a transfer student." This struck me as unusual in a rejection letter. Is it? Is it normal for the school to suggest they'd be interested in seeing you re-apply as a transfer? And, if anyone has the patience to reply: I've been leery of the whole idea of transferring, thinking that missing out on 1st year relationships at the school you transfer into might negatively affect all your eventual outcomes? I'd appreciate any insights and wisdom anyone might be willing to share. Thank you.

What order of sections do you guys like the best? I always like to have an LR first for some reason

"Jack must be diligent and smart because without these traits he is doomed to fail"

Meaning: If Jack is not diligent or smart then it guarantees he will fail.

As this is a OR statement Jack can be the following below to trigger him Failing

Meaning: If Jack doesn't fail then he must be both Diligent and Smart.

I have been trying to make up more difficult sentences to diagram into lawgic to help my understanding but have been a bit confused with this. Would really appreciate it if someone can correct me if I have messed up in anyway thank you so much in advance!

UPDATE 2:

Zoom Meeting Info:

MICHAEL CINCO is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: BR GROUP REVIEW

Time: Apr 14, 2019 3:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

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UPDATE:

The games we will go over are as follows:

I tried to spread them out over the PT set so that folks at different levels of readiness can participate, we will be going over them in numerical order so if you wish to avoid spoilers from future PT's you can bow out. There's 14 games so it may take longer than 2 hours but I think it will be worth it.

I have updated the google docs and created a separate TAB for each game. As you finish the games please log your time for your first pass runs and your best foolproof runs so we can see who's done them the fastest, that can guide us in our discussion on how to best tackle the games as time is always money in real life but especially in the LSAT.

Sequencing Boot Camp April 14: 3PM EST

PT Game # Name

30 2 Mendel Jacobson (Andrew Alterio on 7Sage)

36 3 Minji Kim (minjikim)

42 3 Rachael (2ndTimestheCharm)

55 4 Michael

56 4 Michael

63 3 Michael

63 4 Michael

71 4 Rachael

75 3 Rachael

85 4 Michael

I will also be posting a ZOOM meeting invite here when I get myself setup, I figured it's far better than SKYPE for this type as we can whiteboard and draw things out as we discuss.

Hi Folks:

I know there are several group BR's currently going on where Sagers are currently getting together to BR the LR sections of PT's leading up to the June/July LSATS but I haven't seen any sessions organized for Logic Games. For Many of us who are trying to get 170+ on the LSAT (and even some who aren't) an immaculate performance in the LG section is absolutely necessary. I believe we can help ourselves and each other by trying to tackle some of the hardest Logical Games (as rated by the vaunted 7 sage 5 star rating method) and then meeting up afterwards to discuss strategies and difficulties we might have had. JY's videos are great but lets face it he's got the brain of a super computer, for the rest of us with Commodore 64's we might be better off discussing human strategies amongst ourselves.

Premise:

We collectively (through the power of googles docs) determine a set of 8 games we will go over for a given session. We then tackle and FOOLPROOF the games prior to our session so we can have an informed discussion on how to tackle these games, and any strategies we might have employed. By sharing and learning from other high performing sagers we become better. My suggestion is that we hold 4 sessions, each focusing on a game type ( Sequencing, Grouping/in and out, Hybrid, Misc),

I can host the first one of these, which I propose we do Sequencing since it's typically the easier of the types of games and we can go from there. I am proposing we meet up on Sunday April 14th via ZOOM MEETING

What games are we doing?

I am open to suggestions as to which Sequencing games we will tackle for our session, please fill your suggestions in this google doc. Since we are doing sequencing I will only choose games labelled as sequencing (including double layers, sequencing with a test, sequencing with conditionals etc)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oPXeJXudhwrqcvEH2EDhH1ssVtH83zpFP6KBODk3hYM/edit?usp=sharing

Otherwise I will just choose randomly (and by randomly I mean I will just choose the 5 star difficulty games and we will all have a terrible time)

How Do You Join Skype?

MICHAEL CINCO is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: BR GROUP REVIEW

Time: Apr 14, 2019 3:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting

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One tap mobile

+16475580588,,2394332748# Canada

Dial by your location

+1 647 558 0588 Canada

+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)

+1 929 205 6099 US (New York)

Meeting ID: 239 433 2748

Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/abvKR6s9iF

Who Are you and Why are you Doing This?

My name is Michael and I am a Lawschool hopeful from Canada. My aim is to get a score of 170 on my next LSAT. My recent attempts have landed me at 161 and 166 respectively and the LG section has been my downfall each time. I want to get better and I want to help you get better so we can all achieve our goals.

This one is making my head hurt. Can someone help explain?

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Is it the time of year to be asking this, or what?

So here's what happened: I visited a school I am applying to this past week---went on a tour, observed a class, and spoke with the Dean of Admissions. I consider this school a safety. I applied in mid-January and went complete Feb 15 when the January LSAT came out. I have been under review since February at this school. When I spoke to the Dean, she said to me, "Aren't we still waiting on something for your application?" I hope my jaw did not drop when she said this, because internally I was freaking the freak out. I said I didn't think so, and she told me that they would respond to my app this week or next week. It made me start worrying, though, that other schools are sitting on my apps, not reading them while they dish out all their scholarship money, and I'll be left in the dust, because they think they're waiting on something too. It's totally possible that that adcomm said that with no context, and was just saying it.

Would it be weird, or hurtful to my app in any way, to contact the other schools and ask them if my app is ok? If they need something? My status checkers all say, "Complete and Under Review" or something of that sort. When I asked this question on Reddit they said that the school would ask if my app needed something. Also, a lot of people who are February applicants are saying they haven't heard back yet. What do you think?

Hey Guys, so I was recently Wait Listed at my top choice Law School. I submitted my wait list form two days after receiving the email along with a Letter of Continued Interest addressed to my assigned Admissions Counselor. I took a visit to the school in 2017 and loved it, which I also mentioned in my LOCI. I am currently contemplating taking another visit to the school and trying to meet with my Admissions Counselor or someone from the Admissions Committee. I don't want to be annoying after I've already taken a visit in 2017 and sent in a LOCI. Thoughts? Suggestions?

Hi All,

I know this question has been asked numerous times, but with only a bit of time left before the June exam, I wanted to ask a question about the older LR questions with specific examples. I've started using the LR sections in the 20s because they're still relatively fresh (might have seen one or two questions but not all per section), but my scores have been declining and in my BR I get a little frustrated with the questions themselves. While at the end of the day, I accept the answers for what they are, my biggest gripe is that they just feel vague in a manner that doesn't fly in the newer exams? I bring this question up because 1) if the consensus is that these questions are good to practice in the PT stage then I'll keep doing them or 2) if these questions are considered a bit dated, then I'll probably use the rest of my time on solely the newer PTs (60+).

Here are a few examples of what I might mean:

28.1.7

The answer here just felt really poorly written?

28.3.15

I understand that "enjoy" here could be understood as "made happy" but again, still doesn't feel as precise to me.

28.3.17

While it's the best answer given, it just feels weird that you're allowed to assume that working for ten years means you don't have anything left to gain from training. It seems like a fair enough assumption, but one I feel would be punished in the newer exams?

Hi everyone.

I'm having problems understanding this sentence, extracted from PT23 Section3 #10:

"If a person chooses to walk rather than drive, there's one less vehicle emitting pollution into the air than there would be otherwise."

What does the otherwise do? Is it simply just saying that if a person chooses to drive rather than walk, there's not one less vehicle emitting pollution into the air?

Thank you!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-23-section-3-question-10/

Admin note: added link

I switched over to 7Sage after completing Testmasters about a week ago and so far the only big difference I've seen has been to read the question stem first which I will do, but I was wondering if anyone has any advice about going through the Core Curriculum again. I'm scoring a 158 and a 170 BR which is my target score. I have difficulty with timing and getting through all of Reading Comp (two to three passages total) so I wanted to try the recording technique I've read about a few times in the discussion. I wanted to know if I should skip around the CC to the reading comp parts or if I should just go through everything in order. I started studying in October (scored a 141) and my test is in July. Everything seems redundant and I don't know if I'm wasting time I could be spending on actual testing conditions (controlling my anxiety and nerves under timed conditions).

After over a year of prep, I finally broke into the 170s on my PTs! My diagnostic was a 147 and for a very long time I was convinced a 170 was well beyond my reach. While PT scores don't necessarily predict how well you'll do on the real thing, breaking a plateau I've been sitting at for months is huge for me. These plateaus have a way of tricking you into believing you have reached your LSAT potential. But this test really does reward patience and methodical blind review. My journey is far from over but thanks to 7Sage and its wonderful community I already accomplished something I once assumed was impossible.

Hi, I graduated college about a year ago from a very good US school with a 3.3 GPA (it was a high stress college and took a toll on my mental health). I'm seriously considering applying to Law School as I'm confident I can get 170+ on the LSAT, but I'm struggling to commit fully to prepping as I'm unsure if all the effort would be worth it. Would I stand a chance at top schools with this sort of profile?

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Would it be possible for the recommended time for each game in LG to be added to the main page instead of having to click on the individual game's explanation? I'm documenting my timing and answers on a spreadsheet, and it would make it a lot easier if you would include the timing next the average score. TY

I took the March test, but my goal was to take two test this year, i'm having a baby late June, and the June 3rd test seems really close, and the July test, well i'll have a newborn to deal with so I'm thinking go for the September test. (even though i wanted to avoid the digital) My game plan, is to start from scratch, zero out my CC and start from scratch really get back to the basics and get the core down 100% and then start the PTs again, does that seems like a waste of time? I need some advise here guys.