I am new to the 7Sage Community and all the discussion threads are very helpful. I stumbled upon the 7sage by looking for Logic Games explanations and was really impressed. Then after checking the forum and seeing the discussions, I had to join.

My goal was to take the September test and then retake in November and submit my application shortly after (not the best timeline but reasonable). However, due to my work schedule, adjunct course load, and other publishing obligations this past spring I was not able to focus on studying until like May 15th. I finished the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim and my PTs are at 152 and BR 160. I'm starting Logic games fool-proofing for PT 29 -38 and most likely going to do PT 42 -52 as well.

So my question is, what do you guys think if I skip the September Test and take November and February? I would submit my applications after November Test scores and then update it once Feb scores show. I know earlier applications are better but If everything else in my application is concrete would a late cycle application really adversely affect me an Admission decision for Fall 2019?

Thanks

C.Porter

Following off a thread stating that we should be focusing on pts 60-80s for rc ... does the same hold for lr why or why not

Hi all,

Hope your weeks are off to a good start.

I was doing really well on the logic games section on my practice tests (0-2). But in my last two practice tests, my performance has gone down all b/c I can't figure out one game in the section. I've noticed that both of the games I missed were rule driven, games that don't have allow for a lot of inferences and you just have to rely on the rules to solve the game. I've struggled with rule driven games before as well.

What are some games that you think I should practice?

I’m trying to determine how much money studying with a tutor will cost me. I understand that they charge by the hour; however, I don’t necessarily know how many hours on average one spends with a tutor. I know this number is probably arbitrary but, if you did use a tutor, about how many hours did you spend with him/her? Thank you!

Hello all - I'm working on LR drills and have come across "evaluate" drills package. I don't remember "evaluate" questions in the CC. I did a search and didn't find them. I'm not understanding what I'm supposed to be looking for. If someone can point me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it.

#help

Hey all,

I was wondering where I can find the prompts to the supplementary essays (specifically for Cornell)? I checked their admissions page but there is only information on the personal statement. Am I looking in the right place/are these prompts only released once apps open in September?

Thanks!

Hello!!

Does anyone know how much scratch paper they provide for the logic games sections?

I do not understand how this answer choice reconciles the discrepancy, I was wondering if anyone could further clarify this for me.

STIMULUS: "Burying Beetles do whatever they can to minimize the size of their competitors broods without adversely affecting their own. This is why they routinely destroy each other's eggs when two or more of the beetles inhabit the same breeding location. Yet, after the eggs hatch the adults treat all the larvae equally, sharing in the care of the entire population."

Answer choice B, the correct answer, states that Burying beetles are unable to discriminate between their own larvae and the larvae of other burying beetles. However, my problem with this answer choice is that the first sentence of the stimulus states that burying beetles do whatever they can to minimize the size of their competitors broods without adversely affecting their own. However, in order to notice this type of pattern within their behavior, wouldn't that imply that they have some sense of which are their brood?

When you guys read an argument, are you guys breaking it down as you read (e.g. the sentence I just read is a premise, this next one is the conclusion), or are you reading the stimulus intuitively to understand what it says, and then evaluating the validity after?

Reaching out to see what some general techniques are for lr (for someone that br, drills question types and has gone through the cc but is not seeing large gains ).

I have been studying for the LSAT for about 1month and 1 week. I have put in about 100 hours total so far for all the sections, but my logic games section is not improving at all. I have used my time thus far to go through the core curriculum so I have only spent about 20 hours probably all together doing logic games, but I feel very discouraged because everyone says they are the most learnable section and I can't figure out why I am having such difficulty. On my diagnostic I got 9 out of 23 questions in the logic games section, 7 out of 23 sections for the second practice test in the LG section, and 8 out of 23 in the LG section on the third practice test I just took today. Do you have any stories of major improvement on the logic games section or any tips? I plan to take the test on November 17 so I still have 4 months left to improve. I do pretty well on the other sections, but the logic games section significantly brings my score down. How long did it take you to improve your logic games section (if you weren't naturally great at it initially). I know it is going to take time, but I'm just worried. It would be nice to hear that someone improved significantly after struggling initially. Also, should I be taking practice tests every 2ish weeks if I haven't finished the core curriculum yet? Thank you.

Hey all,

So i've been slugging away for LR for sometime. I've done all LR sections from 25-50 (mixture of drills, timed sections, etc.)

I've gotten a lot better at really understanding the fundamentals of LR questions. I've gotten my BR score down from -10 to -2 now for across the 2 sections.

The challenge now is bridging the timed gap. For timed, I usually get around -8 wrong per section.

During BR, I can get most if not all of these questions right.

Any advice on how to bridge this gap?

Somethings I've heard about are recording myself take the test and some confidence drills. I've tried recording myself, but have yet to do any confidence drills. Any other advice would be appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Hey guys,

I am planning to take the July 23rd, 2018 exam. I would really like to get a hold of the copy of the June test if I can.

LSAC tells me that I won't be able to get a copy of the June 2018 test until August.

I am wondering if I can get a pdf copy of the June LSAT with the answer key. If any of you took the test, it should be available to you.

In attempts to get some of this material down to intuition, I've seen a lot of people say they have used flash cards to drill constantly. I have only done this with the logical group indicators even though it was like a folded flip sheet but same thing basically. What else have you all placed on flash cards? I know it's a few other things that I can put to use but I do not want to miss anything! If it can help, I want to apply it to flash cards.

Hi all. I'm an international student so please excuse me for my poor writing.

So I plan on applying this cycle, having taken the June LSAT and waiting till the results come out next week. In the meantime I intend to proceed with my application including the personal statement and LORs, but I am having some difficulty deciding whom to ask for a Letter of Recommendation.

I'm in my senior year at college at the moment and I'm pretty confident that I've done a fair job in getting good grades. But when it comes to my relationship with professors, I'm not as confident that most professors I have taken courses from know me well enough to write a convincing LOR.

True, I have had some meaningful interaction with a few of them and I know for sure that they would not hesitate to recommend me, but I'm not so certain as to whether I should ask them; I've only taken a single course from each of them, which I would say is not a very convincing indicator that the recommender is well aware of my qualities.

In short, is it a bad idea to ask a professor for LOR even though I took only one course from them? I would appreciate your advice.

Quick question - how much time should I leave to review LR questions within a section - I've recently gotten quick enough to leave 4-6 minutes to go back over a section; part of that is through picking an answer choice, without 100% certainty, and moving onto the next question.... I have a hard time, mental barrier really, plain old skipping LR questions - I have been able to do that within LG sections and sometimes RC - but not LR. Just curious if anyone else has a similar approach and generally how much time to leave left over for review before time is up? Also, I had a strategy to leave around 10 minutes for the last 5 questions of a section - I've recently succeeded in getting quicker - a positive, that is over only 5 LR sections that I've done recently - so hopefully it carries over to the July LSAT. Sorry for the ramble!

Without giving too much away, as I'm not finished BR'ing yet, can someone give me an example of a simple argument that exemplifies the flaw noted in answer choice D (draws a conclusion about how the world actually is on the basis of claims about how it should be)?

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Just started doing the questions from the problem sets. Should I use only the 1:24 time for each question to start out with? Or should I allow myself a longer time, say 2 minutes? Or not time myself at all to start out with?

Hey everyone,

I recently completed the June LSAT and scored a 169. I know it's a good score, but it was under my target of 170, so I've decided to take it again in September before applying in October.

So far I've only studied on my own (that is, without a formal class), using LSAT PrepTest books and the logic games tutorials provided on this website. I've gotten pretty good at logic games, consistently scoring between 0-2. However, I'm less consistent at logical reasoning and reading comprehension. On average, I miss 3 per section, but it can vary between 0-6. I was regularly scoring 170-173 in the timed preptests I took leading up to the June LSAT, but I performed poorly on the reading comprehension section, which led to me scoring below my practice scores.

I'm now considering buying the LSAT Ultimate + course in order to guide my study over the next two months. I can spend 15 hours per week studying for the LSAT. So I'm wondering: is buying the LSAT Ultimate + worth it in terms of nailing down consistency in scoring in the low 170s in LR and RC? And if so, what what you recommend I focus on given the time available to me to study?

my question is : why don't more ppl quit their jobs to study for the LSAT -- if they are financially able to do so?

i understand that for many ppl, they need to work to pay off loans, living expenses, etc (which are all reasons to do have a job). But I'm more asking for those who have enough savings, family support, etc (where finances would not be a problem).

I'm in favor of part-time work and volunteering when full-time studying for the LSAT (much needed mental breaks is important). But what I'm really confused is why people with demanding 60-hour a week jobs who can't get enough LSAT studying in don't just quit their jobs to study for the LSAT?

the LSAT is the most important part of your application. It's like weighted 4-5 times more than your GPA.

If someone has military experience, tons of prestigious extracurricular activities and awards, and other additional amazing work experiences, but has a 150 LSAT score, it's going to be really tough to get into a t14 law school.

Contrast that to a K-JD candidate who has no work experience but a 175 LSAT score -- who will most likely get into many if not most of the T14.

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A 170+ LSAT score can literally change your life -- and save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. It will allow you attend a T14 law school and open up many many doors to you --BigLaw, federal clerkships, etc. Many T-20 law schools will also give you full scholarships worth up to $200,000 for a 170+ LSAT score.

Given how important the LSAT is, why don't more people devote themselves to it? The expected rate of return for a 170+ LSAT score and its impact it'll have on saving you money (potentially 200k) and opening up doors for you is MUCH MORE than working as paralegal making 30k a year and not having enough time to adequately prep for the LSAT.

We all know how much work the LSAT takes. Many ppl do upwards of 60 PT's before they take the real test.

Why do people settle for less and allow a 50-hour a week paralegal job (for example) prevent them from reaching their goals?

Financially, those 50 hours are much more valuable when used studying for the LSAT (considering how many hundreds of thousands of dollars you'll potentially save with a 170+ Lsat score)

For BR, do u watch JY video/check answer right after you BR just 1question, or do u wait till you BR the entire section to then check answers and watch videos?

Sometimes after I spend like 10 minutes BRing a question, I really wanna know right after whether I got that question right/and whether my thought process was correct, so I immediately watch JY’s video. That way, my thought process is fresh in my mind and I can compare how I thought to JY’s explanation.

Is it ok to do this, or should I first BR all the questions in the section first before I check answers and watch JY’s videos?

I’ve already taken it and was wondering if I should take a diagnostic before starting to study again or if I could rely on my last official LSAT score as my diagnostic. It was last month’s administration so very recent. Thank you!

Hey 7sagers,

When I have a conditional rule, do I have to test the conditional rule AND it's contrapositive in the rule testing type questions (the ones that frequently occur as the first question in each game)? Experience tells me the answer is no but I'm not sure why. Could someone explain?

Hey 7sagers,

I realize this is a very specific question but it seems to be a problem that I keep getting stuck on so I wanted to ask for advice. I have noticed this problem occurs specifically in1) sequencing/grouping games that have rules using conditional logic. 2) The questions that inevitably need to be solved using "brute force" as JY would say (can't be solved with just inferences). Essentially, how should I brute force these questions when there are conditional logic rules? Should I fulfill the sufficient condition and test? Necessary condition and let the sufficient fall away? Both?

Thanks so much!

This is a somewhat off topic post, but I recently decided to check out Stanford's free online philosophy encyclopedia (plato.stanford.edu) and found it to be a tremendous resource. It contains a staggering amount of posts on theories/thinkers ranging from antiquity to now (there's a ton of material for any nerds of legal theory) and, considering some of the subject matter, is written in a clear and understandable way. If you ever have some spare time and are even remotely interested I'd recommend checking it out at some point