hey all,

i've been drilling RC for a few weeks, and I've been facing lots of fluctuations in RC. My timed score can range from like -4 to -7. My BR scores range from like -2 to -7.

I get really happy when I see a BR score of -2, but then really sad when I see a BR score of like -7.

How long did it take ppl to get consistent with RC - where they're consistently hitting like -1/-2? It's kinda frustrating to see this kind of fluctuation. And any advice on how to get there? Thanks!

Hey guys!

Here's the official June 2018 LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the June 2018 LSAT here!

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The trend on law school forums is that T14 into Big Law ought to be the goal for anyone who is pursuing a legal career. It is a fact that Big Law produces (generally) the least happy lawyers even when adjusting for income disparity, nonetheless Big Law seems to be the goal for an overwhelming majority of posters. Especially within top schools, there is a strong motivation to acquire a Big Law position.

For those of you who are convinced that Big Law is the career path for you, why?

If money was the same between Big Law and other paths, would you still choose Big Law?

I got into two schools and got waitlisted at two others. I had to pay the deposit for my safety school, but I retook the LSAT yesterday to see if I could get a better score. I feel like I probably got a better score, but my safety school is asking me to confirm enrollment before I get my LSAT score back. The other two schools that I got waitlisted at said a decision will be made before August 6, and the safety school's orientation starts August 7. How should I approach the safety school's enrollment confirmation question since I'm hoping my score will be good enough to go to one of the waitlisted schools?

Does anyone have an example of this type of Flaw as an actual LSAT question.

The flaw is something like ~The argument explicitly goes against what author stated previously. Not sure if I'm coming across clearly but if you know what I'm talking about can you direct me to an LSAT questions where this flaw is used.

Hi all,

I've been struggling to understand this question for quite some time.. What is clearly given in the stimulus is a one way conditional:

IF Authors blah blah... --> A work counts as being interpreted

But the right answer.. basically relies on negating the sufficient conditions given, to reach the conclusion that it can't be interpreted. So it seems to me that the question is assuming that the reverse (so biconditional) holds. I tried to justify this answer by saying that MSS inference questions aren't as strict as MBT, but I'm still a bit puzzled by the inconsistency, as in other questions, we were able to/meant to rule out wrong answers on the basis that it was a mistaken reversal.

Is it something about the wording in this stimulus that necessitates understanding of the "IF" here as a bi-conditional? I'd appreciate any insight into this question!!

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Hi 7Sagers!

Anyone interested in swapping essays for the application?

I've been staring at mine for too long and could really use some advice :)

So I've been studying for the lsat for about a year now, and I can honestly say I've improved alot in each area from when I started. However, I took the Dec 2017 lsat and the one yesterday and still feel I didn't do well. I'm feeling hopeless and I feel like I'm watching my dreams crumble right in front of me. I'm worried to retake it again and get the same result because I know law schools look down upon too many takes. I've never worked so hard for something in my life. I've went through every prep tests and it just seems like the scores I get are not reflective of how much I studied. I blind review extensively and did every logic game 10 times each. Reading comp has always been my weak point but I've definitely made improvements. I just don't know why the progress I make when I'm studying is not showing on the actual test. If anyone has been in a similar situation and has any particular advice, I would greatly appreciate it.

Every single Game within every single Prep Test from the "Logic Games" section within the Android OS mobile application displays the words, "Sorry, this video cannot be played" when any Game link is selected. I've uninstalled and reinstalled the application multiple times with the same results. Please help me fix this problem. I'm at my wits end and have run out of options. Please help.

Congrats to everyone who took the June test today! I don't know about you guys, but 35min was a LOT shorter for me today than any other days I studied on my own hahaha. How are you guys celebrating? I f---ed up some RC and LR stuff but oh well, no place to go but up!

I just finished BR for my 1st PT Post-CC, scores below (planning on taking the September 2018 test):

Raw Score: 160, BR: 178

LG: -9, -0

LR: -10, -3

RC: -5, -0

LR: -5, -1

Tl;DR - Need advice on where to go from here, see poll below.

I was really excited about the 160, because with this being my first timed pt (and having not done ANYTHING timed during the CC, which, I know, bad idea) I was totally unprepared for how much I'd be worried about timing and freaked the f*** out during the beginning of the test. I literally got so flustered with my first section (LG - which I was most confident with heading in) that I couldn't understand the 1st two games, totally skipped them, and bubbled c for 10 straight ac's since I didn't have time to come back to them at the end of the section. Heading into section 2 (LR), I was still freaked out about timing, was finding my mind wandering, and was distracted by hip pain (pregnant, sitting in not-so-supportive desk chair) that I skipped/bubbled in c for quite a few questions that I didn't have time to come back to yet again. This is all quite accurately refkected in my scores for those sections as well. I got a little bit more familiar and comfortable with timing on my last 2 sections and ended up only not getting to ~2 questions/section.

Anyway, what I also wasn't prepared for was my 178 BR score (super stoked, don't get me wrong, but unsure as to how to proceed). Like I previously mentioned, I was fairly confident on LG going in, so I knew I could get -0 on BR especially after I realized the games weren't as bad as I first thought. I didn't expect -0 for RC but I figured LR would be my worst section, as it was. My original plan was to foolproof LG until I hit -0 on BR at least and work LR and RC via timed sections as needed before taking more pts. Now, I'm not so sure? Should I still try to foolproof LG before moving on? I haven't done any fool proofing nor any timed games, although I only got -1/-0 on games during the cc and only one -2 when I was burnt out. Or, do I take more pts to see more accurately where I stand/where my weak spots are/to work on timing?Because I know this is only my first pt and isnt necessarily indicative of what I'll actually be averaging for BR or otherwise. Or, should I begin drilling LR since it's my worst section (all 4 LR questions that I missed were of different types, 3 with 4 or 5 star difficulty). OR (probably what I'm leaning more towards) do individual timed sections of LG LR and RC to get used to timing and review and go from there? Sorry this is so long and thanks ahead of time for any and all input!

Logic is a language. In order to understand the ideas on the LSAT I find it almost unavoidable to study the theory behind it. Those who have taken theoretical logic classes previous to the LSAT have performed extremely well compared with those who have been only recently introduced to the world of logic. I have gathered this information from those around me (myself included) who have scored well into the high 160s and 170s. I propose that those struggling with understanding the language and ideas behind the LSAT read the following books:

Introduction to Logic - P. Suppes (1957)

Logic Made East- Deborah Bennett

The Art of Thinking in Systems- Steven Schuster

Introduction to Traditional Logic - Scott M Sullivan

If anyone else with a good score on the LSAT can provide people with other good books that can help us understand Logic, it would be extremely helpful. There is also a wonderful reddit post describing this process from a user who earned a 180: https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/8dpw3p/how_i_got_my_180_tips_for_the_lsat/

How bad is it to have two canceled LSAT takes in a row? I've got one for Sept 2017 and as I prepare for my next take in July 2018, I can't help but think that may be a possibility (no matter how prepared I may think I am). For the sake of avoiding that mid-test fear and speculation, what should I do?

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Hello guys, I need some advice.

So, couple of months ago, I joined an offline LSAT course and eventually registered myself for June 24th, 2018 LSAT. However, even after solving preptests I have realized that I am not scoring as expected. I read online that if a candidate withdraws, it is not displayed on the Report. Also, just few days back I came to know about 7sage. Their free trial was helpful and I am anyway planning to enroll myself for one of the 7sage courses as I am sure I won't get the target score in this exam.

Should I still give the exam to see how much I score, anyway, or withdraw my registration?

Thank you.

Just a note (and a back-door brag). A year ago I laid down a 147 on a cold diagnostic. Fast forward to February 2018, I put a 159 on the board with my first "real" LSAT administration. Today, I finally scored my latest PT which I took last week at a 169 (timed, 5 section). That's a 22 point improvement over my cold diagnostic. I'm happy because that's the 75th LSAT percentile of my stretch school. I know I need to keep grinding to push it up more and then actually repeat that performance or better on test day in July and September.

You can learn the test. I am exhibit A. Just trust the process and do the work.

What is a major premise and a sub conclusion? Also what are other terminology words that I will need to know in relation to logical reasoning questions?

I took the June 2018 lsat today and had 3 LRs... I thought 1 of the LR was hard and the RC was hard but overall felt OK about the test. Then as I was handing in my scantron, I realized I only circled up to number 21 (I believe out of 25) in my answer sheet for section 1. I panicked and I don't even know how I went through my writing sample...

I can't get over this stupid mistake and now I'm wondering if I should cancel and retake in July...I had originally planned for a retake anyway (probably in September) because I have been PT-ing in 167-172 range and I really want to get 170+.

Any advice would be great!

Attention test takers- please please send an email to lsac on how horrible our proctors were today. The talking, cellphone going off, eating wrapped candy etc. please please!!!!

What was your point increase from the first PT after curriculum until the first official LSAT? I am wondering what kind of point increase I can expect if I take 30 PTs and my first PT after completing the curriculum was a 158. Did anyone see any big improvements via taking practice tests and doing blind reviews of them?

Good luck on PrepTest 84. You're literally taking an undisclosed practice test that some person will be taking in their basement in a few years. Therefore, the test you will be taking tomorrow could just as easily have been your highest scoring practice test.

Take the test EXACTLY like you've taken any other PrepTest because that is exactly what it is.

I am sorry for all the questions in this post, but will genuinely appreciate any help and advise. I have done lots of research on salaries and rankings, but it seems that they are not accurate. I graduated with my GPA at 3.6. I am hoping to go to law school in Fall 2019. I am worried that even if I get a 169 or 170 on the LSAT, it won't be enough for T14. On the other hand, many law schools including Penn Law, are now accepting the GRE. I'm worried that if I am not accepted to Penn with my GRE, then I will be behind another year. How important is Top 14? Should I be aiming to go to the highest law school in hopes of receiving more money in my career? Will my chances be better for big law because the law school ranking is higher? Are there even lawyers making 6 figures anymore? If so, how? Also, do people just take loans? My only problem is I don't want to take out 150k+ loans only to be making 50k a year. What is the most reasonable decision for now and what are my chances of truly getting into big law? Thank you for your help!

Soooo maybe I’m wrong or maybe I’m crazy but I just figured out that with disagree and agree questions, the answer appeals to the conclusion of the first speaker. Is that a hack or am I reaching

Is anyone here in the Nashville/Middle Tennessee area and interested in a study buddy or study group? I would love to get something going.

Hi Everyone. So I'm about 5 months pregnant and just finished with the cc. I plan on taking the Sept test (while just entering into my 8th month - def looking forward to that) and am about to begin my pt/timed drills/fp journey. I just wanted to reach out and see if others who have studied in the past while pregnant or are currently pregnant and planning on taking the test soon have any tips or wisdom to share from their journeys. I have also been having a lot of hip pain lately was wondering if any of you experienced the same and have recommendations for dealing, especially during full pts (I took a timed 4 section pt yesterday and my hip was killing me, although the pain wasn't unbearable it was mostly just distracting and annoying)

Advice regarding applying for accommodations for pregnancy would also be extremely appreciated and if anyone is interested in forming a support group/chat/anything for others in a similar studying-while-pregnant situation please let me know!