Could somebody explain and provide me with an example of the flaw described below?

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I'm aiming to take the LSAT in September and am curious as to how many hours a day and how many days a week would be required to get a good score. I don't want to burn myself out but I also want to make sure I am doing enough daily to be prepared. I am considering the November as my backup test date too.

I'm planning on taking the July and September LSAT (depending on how I do in July). I want to try and apply as early as possible, however, studying for the LSAT is taking up all of my free time currently and I know that I am in no mental-condition right now to be writing well in regards to any personal statements, etc. How did y'all do it? I just want to make sure that I am weighing the opportunity costs of my time management in the most effective and efficient way possible. Thank you!

Hey guys, I noticed I often have trouble deciphering the tones of the author or different groups in the texts, and have no idea how to improve this. Is it just exposure? Does anyone have tips to improve this? My RC SUCKS sometimes and it’s very discouraging.

Hi Friends,

I'm taking the June test and currently at a plateau, scoring avg. 165 and 173 BR. I would really like to close the gap between timed test score and BR score, if there are suggestions that anyone has when they are no longer seeing score increases. It may be that I am taking too many tests and not devoting enough time to review and allowing my brain to rest/absorb since I work full time and am taking about 4 tests per week (2 timed, 1 5-section), average, plus reviewing. I am reluctant to restructure my schedule to take fewer tests but would appreciate opinions since I'm on the fence with limited time.

Secondly, I've experienced sort of an odd exchange of scores. I went from being most confident in RC (-1 or -2) out of all the sections without much thought or strategy and struggling to finish LG within the time limit with many mistakes (-7 or -8) to the complete opposite. As soon as I started focusing on improving LG and strategy on RC, my timed scores became -1/ -2 and -5/-7 or so for each section, respectively. At this point, I surmise that I likely am pressuring myself overly and that is what is affecting my RC score, but it would be great to get some feedback on whether anyone else has experienced a similar exchange in scores, and if so, what action they took?

Patience may be the best option, agonizingly enough, but I'd welcome any advice with the June test approaching in two weeks so I can maximize the remaining time.

Best of luck to fellow takers!

PT 13, Sec. 2, Q26. Does "the only" in answer choice B refer to a necessary, or sufficient condition? Also, what exactly is "the condition" and "phenomenon" in B? Thanks

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Title says it all. I watched the post CC webinar and upgraded so I have access to everything now. I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with the lack of structure and sheer amount of materials available now. For those who have been in a similar position, how did you proceed?

So I’m about to finish LG CC and have put time in doing FP and what not, about to transition into studying RC. I spent a good amount of time in LR and I feel like a fair amount of LR will translate to RC in some capacity, however, I understand that for many people timing is their biggest issue with RC. What were your hurdles/shortcomings for RC? Anything I should look out for? And super-secret tips/tricks? Thanks!

Like many other users have recently posted, I am grateful for this community and the great discussions and resources it has provided fore me.

To give some background, I scored a 177 on the Sep. LSAT and will be attending HLS in the fall. I was someone without any real connections in the legal community and who could not afford to spend much on LSAT/admission prep (I'm a free user on 7sage and spent money only to purchase preptest bundles).

I have been very fortunate this cycle and I wanted to give back by offering advice on any LSAT or admission related topics. I am certainly willing to read over any app components or provide tutoring/support to those currently studying for the test. I would also be happy to simply go over things I wish I was told before I went through the application process. Feel free to comment with questions or message me!

With the June exam quickly approaching, I know that some of you, like me, are quite stressed, I just wanted to be a good friend and share a few things I repeatedly say to myself in my car on my way back from studying:

If you are stressed, you are stressed, and it's perfectly OK to be stressed about it.

Do NOT let your friends and/or family say/do some form of the following to you:

I. Compare you to "a friend" that scored 170+ with three months of casual studying and destroy your morale.

II. Tell you that, "it's like any other SAT's, I've taken (SAT X here) before so I just need to figure out how the test works".

III. Tell you that, "my friend's a lawyer and told me that you can't improve more than 5-10 points even after studying".

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think one can simply "figure out" this test on the ground that they've taken other SAT's. Come to think of it, what a very shitty thing of him to say. I hope he steps on dog poop on his way to work tomorrow morning.

“When I say that evil has to do with killing, I do not mean to restrict myself to corporeal murder. Evil is that which kills spirit. There are various essential attributes of life -- particularly human life -- such as sentience, mobility, awareness, growth, autonomy, will. It is possible to kill or attempt to kill one of these attributes without actually destroying the body. Thus we may 'break' a horse or even a child without harming a hair on its head. "

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YES, it means it's functioning! It's being stretched! It's learning!

I know that many people, including myself, have issues forgiving, therefore allowing, yourself to truly enjoy the rest. When I'm not understanding a passage, or a game, or some LR question, I personally had a hard time putting my pencil down and tell myself "it's ok, it might not be right now, but it will come". It was usually something like, "what the fuck is wrong with me why am I so retarded? goddamnit I hate myself", and go outside to smoke. I realized that there's a fine line between being critical and being abusive to oneself.

"Since God forgives us, to fail to forgive ourselves is to hold ourselves higher than God---thereby indulging in the sin of perverted form of pride."

I'm not in any way trying to start anything related to any form of religion. The book happened to be written by a psychiatrist who based his ideas on Christian doctrine...

Don't. Give. Up.

Hi. I'm stuck in question 13 of PT 50 section 1's second reading passage.

This question asks to most weaken the author's arg against harsh punishment for debtors. My choice was D, because I thought D weakens author's arg by giving an example where harsh punishment has nothing to do with local economy (at least it doesn't hinder the growth of the local economy) therefore the harsh punishment should be continued.

However the correct answer is E. The moment I read E, I knew that could work. But because E sounded too broad ( "greater economic health..." ) I chose D.

Why is E the answer? Does anyone know why?

Here is 7sage link to the questions:

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-50-section-1-passage-2-questions/

If I start the Starter course now, is it enough for the September LSAT for me to get an score of 160+?

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EDIT: It's PT 57, not PT 58

The conditional logic here is really bugging me. It seems, with the benefit of knowing the answer, that the beginning of the stimulus ("The law") implies a bi-conditional? That is the only way I can see how C is a MBT answer choice. I ended up with the correct answer just because all of the other answers make no sense, but I'm hoping someone can help me pin down where I'm still going wrong on really understanding the structure of this one - even if it is a bi-conditional, it's not perfectly clear to me why (especially with the wording in the conclusion).

Here is how the argument still reads to me

-If $100+ & nonresident & /former resident, then register with the CC

-All contributions were from residents and former residents, therefore the campaign complied with THIS law

*MBT Answer: No contributions needed to be registered

It seems that the MBT answer should have specified, "No contributions needed to be registered as a result of THIS law," at the very least due to the wording in the conclusion. Had the conclusion said "the law," it would have more clearly been intending a bi-conditional relationship, though it still could be a referential phrase referring to the specific law in question. "This law," obscures whether or not there may be other laws to consider. In that case, concluding that nothing needed to be registered is too strong of an answer choice. My thoughts after reading the stimulus were some loose version of, "We still don't know if anything had to be registered because we only know this law doesn't necessitate registering those contributions."

Any help is greatly appreciated

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Hey guys. So I recently got to the Logic Games section of the CC and needless to say its rough. So I have been doing the Problem Sets, which is only a few but I know I need more work and a ton more Fool Proofing to do. I understand the LG Bundle is only available via the Ultimate + and I wanted to get some peoples opinions on how much that has helped them etc. I'd like to be able to get done with the CC before I start Fool Proofing because of the concepts being so new to me right now and I don't have a grasp on the different kinds of games right now so I'd be watching JY's videos and then fool proofing for most of them and I feel like I wont learn that way. If anyone has any opinion on this matter please let me know. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.

7Sage is representing! I am thrilled to be among such great company!

We have enough people to start our own 7Sage Harvard study group. Supreme Court (majority) here we come!

This community has been so wonderful! I would especially like to thank @twssmith @dml277 @JustDoIt @TheMikey @"Cant Get Right" @Sami @akistotle @"Accounts Playable" @BinghamtonDave @teamteamvicster @DumbHollywoodActor @AllezAllez21 @LSATcantwin @"nessa.k13.0" @sweetsecret @Mellow_Z @"nicole.hopkins" @danielznelson @jknauf

There are so many other people I would like to thank (I just can't remember your usernames, sorry!). Thank you all so much!

I am happy to provide any advice to pay it forward! Message me if you have questions about admissions, the LSAT, or video game recommendations. No matter what, keep working towards your goals! You got this!

Hey 7sagers!

I was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how to really understand sufficient and necessary assumption questions . I get what they are supposed to do but I can’t seem to seem the arguments as valid with the correct answer choice for example :the steps I take with the sufficient assumptions is

1.read the question stem

2. Find the con. And premises

3. Try to find the flaw in between the premises and con.

4. Then look for what I think it is in the answer choice .

I’m not sure if this is the best way or not especially for necessary assumption . Are there any other ways I can think about this ? With necessary assumptions I follow all steps except I am not confident when going down to the answer choices .

I’m wondering how do I look at this differently ? Should I take an answer choice one by one with the other premises and see if it sounds correct ? I know it’s supposed to fill the gap but I guess I’m not seeing it fully.

Thanks !

Hi all!

This is my first time posting in a Discussion Forum, and I could really use some words of encouragement. I currently work full time as a paralegal, and I have been studying since September of 2017. I'm not gonna lie to you, and I'm sure many of you know - it's so gosh darn hard to make yourself study after a full day of work!! Anyways, at first I wasn't studying very regularly, but then I got into the habit of studying on my lunch breaks, and after work as well. It's been SO exhausting, but I know that it's worth it when I see myself getting higher scores and having deeper understandings on a consistent basis. I was originally going to take the February 2018 test, but I then decided to take the June 2018 test instead, so that I would have more time to study. I THINK I'll be okay taking this June test, but I'm starting to panic again with it being right around the corner. I'm not sure if my doubts have any real basis, or if it's just me being my normal super paranoid anxious test-taking self. I know that if I'm not pleased with my score, I can retake the LSAT in September, but I just don't want to have to resort to that. Is that silly of me?

Thanks in advance for reading and for your help :)

Hey guys, I also recently got approved for testing accommodations for the LSAT which entails 50% additional test time on all multiple choice sections and a 15 minute break after sections 1,2,4,5 and a 30 minute break after section 3. I was wondering your opinion on PT's and problem sets and how I should be doing them with these accommodations. I assume I should take the PT's under these conditions but also am considering "normal" or "a little more time than normal" to give myself plenty of time at the end of each section just in case. Any tips/strategies you would recommend during my practice would be so appreciated. Whether that is giving myself say 5 1/2 minutes to read the passages instead of 4 etc, etc.

Since I am on the logic game section right now I was wondering what you think I should be giving myself time wise to do the problem sets and any other drilling I may do. Whether that be per question or per set etc.

Please let me know how you feel is the best way for me to prepare under these conditions. And also please don't hesitate to ask me for any more details you may need in answering my questions. Thank you very much.

I've been studying for the LSAT for what I feels like is two long years. I took the June 2017 and got 144. Prior to that I did self studying using Powerscore Bibles and also took a Powerscore course which in my opinion seemed useless since the teacher truly didn't know how to teach the material. I took a couple of months off after the test feeling like an idiot got back into it in August using 7sage CC and although I feel like I've learned a lot more and have been able to grasp concepts I do not see any improvement in PTs I am scoring between 149 and 155 and my BR the highest was a 162. However when I go over questions and explanations I feel like I understand. I talk out the stimulus and answer choices to myself and I feel okay but anytime I go into the test I'm anxious. I don't finish any section on time everything is just a mess!

I was terrible at LG before using 7 sage, Ive done the full proof method on 1-35 and although I can get through most games I almost never feel confident in what I am doing I recently took a PT where I froze on each game kept going back and forth and basically ran out of time. Once I went back to BR I got -3 on the section. I wanted to cry.Questions on LR that I've answered correctly 9/10 I almost always go back and change my answer to an incorrect one. I am getting -14 on LR on each section. It just seems like I haven't put any work in at all.

I don't know what to do anymore. I work crazy hours and still try to put at least two to three hours a day of practice in and I am just getting no where with this. I was scheduled to take the June exam but I know ill be wasting my time. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I am looking to get my score into mid 160s.

Anyone who's been on this forum for more than a couple weeks probably realizes that this is a complex and controversial topic. While I value a wide variety of opinions, I'm particularly keen to hear from persons who have taken the LSAT multiple times. Hopefully, those with similar quandaries to my own can also benefit from this thread.

I'm currently slated to write the test in June, and though I'm pleased with the progress I've made so far, I'm fairly confident that I have some wrinkles to iron out before I'd be scoring in my preferred range (170+). My current average is in the 165-168 range. In addition to taking the June test, for the past couple months I've planned on retaking the test in September. I have a flexible job that works around my studying, and I sincerely enjoy the project, so an additional 2 months of prep isn't a con.

That being said, here's my question: what are your recommendations as far as canceling my June test and only taking September versus taking both tests? Weighing in my mind are a couple questions: should I be walking into the test if I'm less than confident that I will earn satisfactory score (I know for many this goes against 7Sage orthodoxy); would taking the June test help to calm nerves in September by providing a sense of familiarity with the experience; would knowing that I have a retake planned help to alleviate some pressure during the June test and, theoretically, help me stay composed?

Though I don't want to put anyone on the spot, I understand that @LSATcantwin , @"Cant Get Right" , @"Seeking Perfection" , & @Alex might have some experience in this area? Any insights you might offer would be greatly appreciated!

Hey all!

I’ve been studying to take the June LSAT and am currently averaging about a 170 on my PTs. I’m very happy with my score and my progress, but I was hoping to get my average up a few points to be in the upper medians of the HSY ranges and/or to counteract any test anxiety on the day of the test.

For you high scorers, I was wondering if anyone has any advice as to how to push score when within this range. For context, I am tending to score about a -3 on RC, -0 on LG, and about -3 through -5 on LR. The question types that I am missing don’t seem to have any clear patterns except that I am slightly below average on my weakening questions in LR. I seem to be missing questions primarily due to overconfidence or missing a word in the questions stem. I’ve implemented strategies to try to make up for these mistakes, but I have not seen an increase in my score.

Any advice would appreciated! Thanks everyone and good luck in your studies.

Edit: My past 5 LSAT scores were three 170s, a 172, and a 167 (I was interrupted in multiple occasions on this LSAT and do not know how representative this score is).

Hey everyone,

I just got off the waitlist at Harvard Law. Still in shock about it all.

Thanks to the 7Sage community for all the support you've given me over the past year. Truly truly truly I would not have been this successful without you all. My cycle has ended with my dream outcome.

If there's anything I can do to help the community going forward - anyone that wants tips/tricks from the LSAT to admissions - just let me know.

Best,

Paul

3 years of my life. Today it is all worth it. Thank you so much to this community. Especially @twssmith