I'm working through the logic games curriculum right now, and one of the example in/out games is the bird watcher game from the December 2000 preptest (#33). I had to sit back for a moment because I vividly remember struggling with it a few months ago. So that got me thinking: what LSAT questions, games, and passages haunt you to this day? Why? Here is my list so far:

-the aforementioned bird watching game

-the rattlesnake question

-the carpet market share question

(If you're not familiar with any of the content mentioned, I would encourage you not to look it up! You wouldn't want to spoil the best questions for yourself, now would you?)

My personal statement covers a situation in my background that has influenced my decision to attend law school. Should I write a diversity statement on this as well even if it’s already covered in my personal statement? Has anyone dealt with this?

This is not throwing shade at any one, but since there are multiple threads about "I talked with a successful lawyer" and they said "X". Here is a fun exercise in sampling error.

What do the following actors all have in common?

Adam Driver

Rob Riggle

George C. Scott

Bea Arthur

Steve McQueen

Drew Carey

Montel Williams

Gene Hackman

Harvey Keitel

Answer: They all served in the US Marine Corps

Should every aspiring actor join the Marine Corps prior to going to their first casting call?

FWIW, I'm still waiting on my agent to call with a lead role.

Any suggestions on LR and RC part?

From recent PTs ( from 57-65) I usually get -2 - -4 LR per section and my RC varies from -8 - -2 (average -6.6 including older PTs)

I hope I can find a way to improve those two sections to compensate my LG sections (I am foolproofing LG right now since it is my weakest part, have a -8.5 on average)

Cheers

Question: I'm curious if people have opinions/advice regarding whether attending a lower-ranked law school would be a bad idea (e.g. would significantly hinder my long-term career goals), considering that I don't have an interest in BigLaw and plan to practice in the Midwest market.

Background: I graduated two years ago with my undergrad and am working full-time as a paralegal at a boutique law firm that specializes in employment immigration. I live in the Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul), and plan to stay and pursue my law career here. I have no interest in being a "big, fancy lawyer" - I don't want to work 80 hours a week and live under a constant cloud of stress. I want to be successful and proud of my career, but to achieve that, I don't feel the need to do a federal clerkship or work at a top firm even in the Twin Cities. I'm not interested in litigation and prefer administrative law; I have done internships in public interest law and have discovered that it is not for me. The attorneys I work for went to local schools in the Midwest, and they have their own firm, make a very good living, and have high standing in the community. My ideal goal is to go to law school part-time while working full-time (or close to full-time) at my current position. I think it is a good possibility that the firm I am currently at would hire me on as an attorney after I graduate, or at least would help me network and find a position.

I am currently looking at applying to Mitchell Hamline School of Law. With my GPA and LSAT scores, I am fairly certain I could get a full-ride or very close to it. Nationally, the school is ranked very low, but it is well-known and respected in the Twin Cities. They have a part-time program I could attend that would allow me to continue working. However, I believe I could get into the University of Minnesota - a much higher ranked institution - but attending part-time isn't an option, and I doubt I would get close to a full ride.

Conclusion: Basically I'm looking for any comments on the importance/necessity of attending a top-tier school if I have more moderate career goals. Thank you!

What do you guys think of the new USNWR rankings?

I was thrilled to see Berkeley jump up from #12 to #9 since it's one of my top choices. But I wonder if it'll keep climbing or drop back down next year? And I also wonder how much the rankings will influence employment outcomes, if at all. Thoughts, feelings, insights?

I'm sure this is the umpteenth time a post like this has showed up, but I would appreciate your perspectives.

I've been studying myself into the ground for the LSAT and I don't want this to preclude me from getting into my dream schools.

I just got an email stating that I was wait listed...in the top school of my choice. I'm extremely ecstatic, but I also do not know how to get my self off the wait list, if it's possible.

The school said that the wait list is unranked...which I'm assuming means that I'm in a pool of applicants that are very similar to me? I'm just glad I'm not rejected, but I don't know where else to go at this point.

This is what the email states:

"we keep an unranked wait list and we will monitor commitments made by our admitted students regularly in the coming months so that you may be informed at the earliest possible time of any offers that we are able to extend to those on our wait list. "

They made me fill out a form that stated I was still interested, but I'm not sure if I need to do an LOCI. What else can I do, should I e-mail them and ask if I should take the June LSAT to improve my score, or if I go visit the law school, is there anyway that they can know...? Should I send an LOCI anyway...?

What are your guys' opinions?

What helps me remember the directions is telling myself: if we are doing something to the argument, it's UP. If we are using the argument to answer a question it's DOWN.

How are PRINCIPLE questions UP?

It seems to me it would be DOWN because we are using the argument to find the answer, and not adding anything to the argument. Or are we? Is it that the argument needs the "PRINCIPLE" explained to help it?

Am I thinking about LR support direction the wrong way?

HERE IS THE LIST:

Logical reasoning question stems grouped by support direction

UP:

Strengthen

Weaken

NA

SA

PSA

Principle

Resolve, Reconcile, explain

Resolve the paradox

DOWN:

Main point

Method of reasoning

Argument part

Flawed method of reasoning

Parallel method of reasoning

Parallel flawed method of reasoning

Point at issue

Must be true

Most strongly supported

Must be false

.

Hello everyone! Long time lurker and user of all the free aspects of 7sage, lol. I’m in a bit of a predicament.

I’ve received two acceptances thus far. One from my alma mater, Howard University, with a 35,000 yearly scholarship. And one from UC Berkeley, with no mention of any aid beyond their supplemental gift aid application which I’ve yet to fill out.

Berkeley came as a shock to me! As did Howard’s generous scholarship. I’ve heard a lot of varying opinions on the matter. Some say T-14 or bust, and some say the loans/debt just isn’t worth it.

I’m at a bit of a crossroads here and I’d love to hear some opinions on my situation in particular.

I can provide more info if necessary but let me know what you guys think! Thank you.

Hello,

I'm new to 7sage and fairly new to the LSATS. Last December I took the exam with minimal study and got a 150.

My goal is to get minimum 170 and planning on taking the June or September 2018 exam. I was wondering if I could get any advice regarding the study style and technique to achieve my goal. Should I just follow the study schedule set by 7sage? I do have the powerscore books.

If anybody could give some advices from experiences much would be appreciated. Also, I am very open to working with fellow test takers for extra motivation and aid!

Thank you!

Is it just me or does anyone else miss their routine for studying for the lsat? Waiting for the actual exam day was (to me) way better, and at least kept me busy! My schedule for studying for this thing kept my mind off the approaching date, and it always felt like time flew by. But now, with this next damn part. Waiting to hear from these schools? Naw, my patience is pretty much eliminated. I can't lie, I really do miss being stressed and way too studious. Anyone else?? :(

I tried registering for June 2018 LSAT and I live in Toronto. I have my mind set for June but I guess I am already too late (maybe the test center filled up already?) I was hoping to go to UofT for the test :( Now, I have to wait until September again and register early! I guess this is a good thing as I get to review more but I’m a little bit disappointed..

Sorry, guys. Thought I’d say it here. Maybe someone has the same thing as me? Any torontonians there? -P.

After 3 years of preparing for the LSAT, taking the LSAT twice, scoring 150 and 152, using the Powerscore books and also attending the live in person Powerscore course, Kaplan course, and reading the LSAT Trainer, I finally tried 7sage in December last year. I only bought the Starter and started on December 26, 2017. I increased to a 160 by the February 2018 LSAT. I have no doubts that if I had started the course earlier, or had waited until the June 2018 LSAT, I could have increased by even more.

I can't thank 7sage enough. First of all, it was SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than anything I'd tried. I spent about $2500 USD by the time I got to 7sage; I regret not starting with 7sage since I would have spent less than $200 USD.

The CC was amazing. Things were finally clicking for me! The discussion board here is so supportive. And the best of all - JY is HILARIOUS. I was actually enjoying myself learning this difficult test because the CC was so enjoyable.

I'm writing this review because I just got accepted to my top choice law school yesterday. I could not have done it without 7sage.

I almost quit this week from studying. I had a major personal change happen that left me unmotivated and distracted, fearing I couldn't get back into this studying regemine. I got so sick that I ended up in the emergency room. As a result, I was unable to study for a week.

I decided today was it, take a PT after a month of hardcore drilling and studying and, if my score didn't at least stay flat, I would need to reconsider how to find motivation or whether I should continue. I took PT 41 and ended up scoring significantly higher than I have before, at a 166. For this PT, each additional question answered correctly at this level equates to +1 on your score, up to 171. I went from a 158.5 PT average (from 3 PTs) pre-drilling, up to this actual score. I feel like I have hope I can tackle this.

I'm posting cause I need to make some more written commitments to myself that I can do this and will do this, as support helping me feel like I could outside of 7Sage is no longer available. Thanks for reading, if you do!

Hi 7sagers, curious what y'alls opinion is on this - at what point is a test taker to be satisfied with where they are at and move on? I know it is in our future lawyers nature to never be satisfied with where we are at and always feel like we need a little more re-tuning. I am a sub 3.0 GPA applicant trying to gain admission to the T14 next cycle, I have a 173 LSAT on the books from December and am trying to decide if I should take another swing at this thing. I went -4LR/-3RC/-2LG, both LG's were rule substitutions..I was usually a -0/1 LG guy so that did bother me.

I'm not applying to the T6, so since I am already 3 or more points above everyone else's 75th LSAT line would a 174 or 175 really even open up more doors for me that a 173 wouldn't? The ( 3.0 / )170 data on myLSN is so scanty that it is hard to know. Also even though I know schools now say it doesn't matter, I have a hard time believing that should I score in the 170-172 range on a re-take that that wouldn't lessen the luster of my 173 at least a little.

When is the point where we have pushed the LSAT boulder as far as it's going to help us, need to accept diminishing returns, and be at peace with it? I hear some people say that 175ish is the last milestone of the test that you can consistently train up to, beyond which you need a little luck of the draw on specific q's, so is this where y'all would place the re-take ceiling?

If I would've scored a 170/171 I would've retaken just to push up a few pts above those 75th lines of the non-T6, but now at a 173 am stuck between feeling like I should just be proud and grateful for what I have achieved, and also thinking well I am only those 2 LG pts away from a 175!

Thanks for any input!

Can anyone offer any anecdotal or empirical evidence on whether adcoms consider your major against your GPA? I've heard it's all GPA and they barely consider what you studied.

I certainly don't mean to offend anyone but it seems absurd for an adcom to equate a 3.8 in chemical engineering with a 3.8 in english. Personally, I finished with a 3.7 in finance from a good Midwestern business school and I'm really hoping the difficulty of my major helps compensate for a low-ish GPA, at least by T14 standards.

Hi 7Sages,

I have a confusion in representing "if then must" conditions.

Suppose there is a sentence given as :

If N is not selected then T must be selected .

So, is the representation like this?

not N -> T

contrapositive is

not T -> N

If here, N is satisfied then does the rule drops away and does T becomes a floater ?

Since there is a 'must' keyword involved..I am confused.

Please clarify this.

Thank you.

Hey everyone!

After about 2 years studying inconsistently for the LSAT while working full-time for the past 4 years as a bilingual teacher, I ended with a lousy 148..

I was disappointed with my score because over the winter break, I was PT'ing at around 3-4 points higher since I had so much time. Then the break ended, and I was

I didn't apply to many schools considering my score and that I want to stay in Texas, so I only got accepted into South Texas College of Law, Oklahoma City University (10k scholly renewed each year), and St. Mary's College of Law in San Antonio.

I'm currently 27 (will turn 28 in July), and although I honestly think the best decision would be to retake the LSAT, I'm tempted by some of the programs/clinics and what I've heard overall about STCL from friends who have graduated from that school.

My short and long term goals are the following: short term: I'm interested in immigration/family law. long term: I've always dreamed and aspired to become a sports agent, so I'd be looking to some contract law, adr, stuff like that.

I'd love to hear everyone's honest and candid feedback. I'm tempted to start this Fall, but I have to think with my head and not my heart...

Just finished the LR portion of the CC. Prior to the CC, my average performance on LR sections was ~20-21 questions answered with a score in the high teens/low 20's. I did a single timed LR section to get a snap shot of potential progress. 25 question section, 24 out of 25 questions answered (skipped a parallel flaw question intentionally due to stimulus / AC length). -2 on the section (the skipped one and one other 4 star question). In addition to the score, while reviewing the section, the in-test notes / logic analysis look totally different than prior to the CC and seem much more methodical and focused (a positive in my opinion).

Its a single data point and could be an outlier, but I'm very pleased with the outcome and hopeful that it is indicative of continued future improvement. Good ROI from my point of view.

Qualifier: Full transparency, I did watch an episode of McMafia prior to taking the section. There may be a correlation / causation flaw with my attribution of progress to the CC. I'll leave open the possibility that watching McMafia is improving my LR skills...

Hi everyone, I've been having troubles tackling a few LR questions and I'm noticing that I tend to consistently get them wrong (necessary assumption and method of reasoning). Do any of you have unique tips on how you approach these two question types? I've reviewed CC a couple of times now for both question types!

June'18 Study Group | Blind Review PT 64 | Tuesday, March 27th | 7:30 pm EST

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I hope you're ready or gearing up to start PTing for the June 2018 LSAT. Join us this Tuesday if you are finished with the CC.

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Note: For the purposes of the call, we like to check our group blind review score together at the very end of the call :) So at least don't say ... "No guys, really, it's D, I checked it.” KEEP THE CORRECT ANSWER TO YOURSELF. Win the argument with your reasoning.

These groups work best when folks from ALL stages of prep and with all different goals join in! Not just for "super-preppers" and definitely not just for the casual LSATer (does such a person exist?).

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Hi everyone!

I had a question about the application process. So I had to be a full-time student throughout my junior and currently my senior years of undergrad (taking 18-20 credits each semester to help recover my GPA) as I was placed on academic probation my sophomore year due to being a biochemistry major and failing my math and science classes. Because of this, I have not had any time to devote to a professional/significant job to put on my resume (aside from working part-time as a teacher's assistant for a few months before quitting to focus on school). So that being said, how important is work experience (or lack thereof) in law school applications? Is it a deal-breaker for admission officers? I plan on applying to mainly NYC schools (Fordham, Cardozo, St. John's, Brooklyn, etc.) if that helps.

Anyone else find that the best way for them to improve RC was to actually just read more?

What books are you currently reading and what do you like about it?

Currently reading Pimp by Iceberg Slim...book was featured by Dave Chappelle in case it seems like an odd choice.

Hoping to find out about more fun reads