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So, this may be the worse place to ask this, but the TLS page on this has many outdated links and information. My question is has anyone done an in class prep course? If so, how did you like it? Did you mix in 7sage info with your course If so, was that helpful? Also, any general pros and cons about in class prep specifically with powerscore or any company. Thank you!

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Saturday, Dec 23, 2017

Take a fifth time?

I have taken the LSAT 4 times so far (168,165,169 and Cancellation). I know that these are not bad scores, but as an international student with no reportable GPA, I might need a better score to get into T14. I have alreay submitted almost all applications and I wonder how badly law schools will look at fifth take?

Before the December LSAT(which I cancelled), I normally score low-170 and RC is my weakest section.

If I take the Feb LSAT, would law schools hold my application automatically?

I know that taking the LSAT five times is so unconventional, so I ask for the advice from 7 sagers.

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Hi 7sagers, I'm sad and if you are too, then you're not alone. For those who got the score they want, congratulations and I hope you are celebrating this weekend.

I've been lurking around 7sage but never posted. Figured today would be a good day to post and ask "what are my chances".

I've taken the LSAT 3x at this point. I cancelled the first 2 scores and now this third score is a 167. I've signed up for February but is a 4th retake even a good idea? I was hoping to get a 170 or higher but that didn't happen.

Softs: Graduated in three years at a top 20 university (its a public univ), 3 strong academic LOR's, student government elected, extensive extracurriculars, LGBT, and current job at Google.

What are my chances at:

  • Columbia
  • NYU
  • Georgetown
  • Cornell
  • Northwestern
  • UC Berkeley
  • UPenn
  • Thanks for any and all insight! This whole process is literally so laksdjfoiwruowjfsd

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    i am desperately looking for a 7sage tutor not overly expensive for my feb lsat i am aiming for 158-160 i have a BR of 150 and 147 before blind review. After seeing everyone receiving their score i know i can get there with the right help. I have reached out to a few 7sage tutor but no reply back yet so if you are a tutor and you see this please reach out to me as soon as possible i am on break for a week and would like to start from dec 26.

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    Hey everyone,

    I just got done with my INDIVIDUAL Georgetown interview. I thought it would be helpful if I laid out my experience so people may learn from it, or in case you have a Georgetown interview coming up soon!

    So first, in case you were wondering, it went really well for me. Like really really well. Like extraordinarily well :smile:

    Here are my "situational" takeaways:

    1. It was very informal

    You should still wear a suit, but the interview itself was not structured at all. In fact, when my interviewer walked in (after a brief banter about the ties we were wearing) he explicitly said "This interview is very informal, so don't be stressed."

    2. It was "so I could learn more about Georgetown."

    In fact he never said it was so Georgetown could learn more about me. It honestly felt more like he was selling me on Georgetown than I was selling myself to Georgetown.

    3. It was so they could make sure I was a human being.

    In fact, my interviewer explicitly said that. They want to make sure that you aren't just a great resume and numbers, but can actually be social and like, you know, talk to people :smile:

    Here are my suggestions of how to prepare:

    1. Know your resume.

    Be prepared to discuss the jobs you held and what roles you played (informally). My interviewer talked through some of the jobs I held and asked me about what my role was. He asked me about my time working on a presidential campaign, and I talked through my general responsibilities. Additionally, he asked me about my time interning for an appellate court. *He asked me about the procedure of how appellate cases were decided. I recommend that if you have any law-related experience on your resume, you should work hard to remember the specifics of what you did. Afterall, you'll be interviewing with (presumably) a lawyer and they will know the topic in depth.

    ---1a. If there are any atypical things on your resume, be prepared to discuss them.

    ----------For example, I transferred from one school to another after my freshman year. Just be able to come up with a coherent reason why you did the thing you did. If you transferred, I highly recommend you have a more compelling story than "I just didn't like my old school." You should be able to discuss at length why you did X, Y, or Z.

    2. Be a good conversationalist.

    As I said before, this interview was NOT formal. It was NOT my interviewer reading from a list of questions and jotting down notes. Instead, it was a conversation. That being said, you should be good at small talk. If they bring up their children it's not bad to ask about their age, what college they go to, etc. It's not bad to ask questions either, and you should ask questions throughout, since there is no formal "Q and A" portion of the interview. Just smile and be friendly and open, and don't be scared to go down a relevant tangent every now and again (me and my interviewer talked about felony disenfranchisement for 10ish minutes).

    3. Bring questions! AND LOTS OF THEM!

    And these don't have to be super specific questions either! Just ask what their experience was like at Georgetown, what the professors were like, what was the student community like, etc. Also as said above, just ask questions throughout the interview since there is no Q and A. The interview will be more like a conversation, and it's good if you have questions ready to be able to fill the awkward lulls and transition to new topics.

    ----3a. Ask questions about your interviewer's experience

    -----------I feel like this is just a good interviewing tip. Someone once told me "people rarely remember what you say, but they remember how you made them feel." It makes people feel good to talk about themselves, so let them :smile:

    4. Be prepared to answer soft-ball questions.

    Like your typical ones: why law? what field of law are you interested in? I wasn't explicitly asked a question about "why Georgetown?" but I'd be prepared to give that answer too. I had no hard-ball questions though. Nothing like "what was a stressful situation you were in and how did you get out of it?" type questions.

    All in all, my Georgetown interview process was really nice. Congruent with what others have said before, its very informal and felt more like they were selling me Georgetown than I was selling myself.

    If you have an individual interview, it's probably a good sign! It felt more like a gateway than a test for admission. One pre-law advisor said that among individuals who received an individual Georgetown interview, 75% are admitted. So if you got an individual interview, just sit back, relax, and be yourself! So long as, you know, "yourself" is a cool person :smile:

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    I don't even know how to react to this... my score has decreased 13 points from my pt average. I have timed myself every time and took about 30 timed pt. I took a pt one day and spent 8-10 hours on reviewing the next day. Has this ever happened to any of you? Also, please give me some advice on what is the best road to take.

    #christmasruined

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    I took the December LSAT and scored a 153. My scores had been averaging out at around 155-157, so I scored a bit lower than I would have hoped. However, I have an undergraduate GPA of 3.85+ in sociology (concentration of law) with a forensic sciences minor. I graduated in my program with distinction, and I am certain I will have glowing letters of recommendation at my disposal (my undergraduate academic advisor adored me and would be willing to say nothing but the best about me, I had a foreign language professor for 4 semesters straight in a course with section sizes of no larger than 15 students who I had established an intimate relationship with and who would do the same, I had a course on religion in which I had the second highest score of anyone in the course; the professor actually emailed me at the conclusion of the semester to congratulate me on a job well done, to inform me that I was only .37% away from the highest score, and to simply articulate that I was a pleasure to have in class, and so on).

    My top school choice is Notre Dame, but it is quite competitive (even the 25th percentile LSAT score for the past incoming class is several points higher than I scored). However, I AM above the typical GPA 75th percentile.

    I was wondering if a few other factors may play a strong enough role in my application to tilt the odds more favorably (and if they are points that I should even shed light on in my application):

  • I am a South Bend native. Anyone from the area knows that Notre Dame runs in the blood of those who are from the area, so I plan to write about this in the "Why Notre Dame?" section of the application.
  • I am a racial minority. I'm unsure if Notre Dame is actively seeking to diversify their JD program. Would this have any influence in the admissions' decision?
  • I received a full-ride "upcoming leader" scholarship in undergrad.
  • I have overcome a pretty tremendous amount of adversity in pursing an education (for example, I have a drug-addicted relative who has negatively affected my family life in a HUGE way which I've had deal with while attending high school and undergrad, my father is an uneducated laborer from a foreign country, my mother has a crippling health condition that has forced her to live on disability for the past 10 years, I received zero financial contribution from any family during undergrad and so I was entirely self-supported, among other things)
  • I have two health conditions (one physical, and one cognitive) that I believe could create a fairly strong case for me receiving accommodated testing. However, I decided to forego testing accommodations and still scored slightly above average. Would writing in my application that my LSAT score isn't entirely indicative of my aptitude for law school be a reasonable and/or advisable thing to do?
  • In short, I am wondering if it is inconceivable for ND to admit me given my undergraduate GPA, my LSAT score, and any of the other five aforementioned criteria. Opinions are greatly appreciated

    Thank you.

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    Hi everyone,

    Would any of you mind giving advice for an LSAT score addendum? I would like to complete it asap, and I have no idea what to do. I got a 13 point increase, and although I am not happy with my score there are some conditional acceptance programs that I may be eligible for. I am prepared to resume studying for the LSAT again as soon as Christmas is over in the event that I am rejected from the program.

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    I got an email say that "Your LSAT answer sheet or registration form was not signed. Until you sign and return the “No Signature” notification letter(s) sent to you by LSAC, your file may be on hold." What does this mean?

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    Hey, everybody.

    Just found out my first LSAT score of 165. 3.82 GPA, getting Bachelor’s in three years, several years of work experience, etc., etc. I was wondering if anyone had any input on likelihood for UC Berkeley and Davis based on that tiny bit of information? I would love to go to Berkeley, but I would also like Davis. Since I just found out my score, I’m curious on any input. Thank you for replies and congratulations on your scores.

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    When should I start actually cracking down and studying for the LSAT? I'm a freshman in college so I know I'm suuuuper early, but many of my friends are pre-med and they're discussing doing MCAT study sessions starting this upcoming summer.

    While I know pre-meds are typically pretty psycho (lol) it got me a little nervous. When is a good general time that I should start creating a study plan?

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    Hi everyone! I have a few questions regarding BR:

    How long does it generally take you to BR one LR section? Is it more beneficial to BR every question or just the questions you circled?

    The reason I am asking is because I’ve noticed that BRing an entire LR section and THEN checking the answers and properly understanding them is taking me quite a while! Thank you!!!

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    I just received my December score and it's 3 points lower than my highest score (I took June, September, and December). I'm super disappointed because I thought I did much better than September(my highest). How do law schools take this?

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    Hey guys! Looking for a study buddy for the feb test. I took in December and got a 168, even though I was PTing in the 170's. Would love to study with someone whose scoring around the same and aiming for the same goal so we can motivate one another and get better together! Really want this to be the last time I have to take this test!!!

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    Was going over policies for lsac transcripts and saw ap courses listed?? Can someone clarify this for me? Took ap classes in HS and took the exams but didn't receive a high enough score for my college to give credits. Probably overreacting here but just wanted to be sure

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    I'm hoping to submit apps in the next week or so. Just got my December score and am relatively pleased. Has anyone here reached out for a fee waiver? Is it too late to do so now?

    If not, do I simply make a polite request with my LSAT score and GPA? I'm thinking of requesting at a few T14s where I'm above the 75th on both GPA and LSAT

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    Hi! Haha was definitely not expecting scores so soon but...163. (-3 RC, -6 LR, -8 LR, -6 LG). I was planning on applying to some top 20 schools, such as Cornell, USC, UCLA, etc...however, my LSAT score is at their 25th, with a 3.8 GPA. Non-URM. I checked, and these schools seem to accept the February LSAT.

    So, I'm not really sure how this works, but I'm planning on retaking the LSAT in February. I want to submit applications to these schools - do I tell them to wait for the February LSAT? And if so, can they see what I got in December? Can I get admitted based on my December stats? :/ Is there such a thing as getting rejected based on December score, but then being reconsidered after February?

    Timeline wise, I would prefer to start school this year, but if I did well in February, I would consider waiting for next cycle.

    Thank you!!

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    So I just received my Dec score. I was scored one point lower than my June & Sept score ( which were exactly the same). How do you think adcomms will look at it? the score is in the 150's. Do you think I should write an addendum?

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    Soooo I have recently decided that I absolutely would like to excel my career options and attend law school. I work FT right now as a Deputy. The next test is in February. Anybody think it’s possible for me to take the Feb test or wait alllll the way until June. I held a 3.76 GPA in undergrad. One of the law schools here in Dallas TX does not have a min LSAT score. Should i just go for it and go ahead and start this long journey or wait?????

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    Where is it possible to get a merit full ride in the T-14? Everywhere? Or are there schools (H? Y? S?) that don't offer merit full rides? Are there schools that don't generally offer merit aid period?

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