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Hey guys, I'm doing some LR drills and I can't seem to wrap my head around the correct answer for this question. Here's my lawgic for the stimulus:

L(LCF) --> FA --> ~~MR~~

L~~LCF)~~ --> S --> ICW --> MR

~~S~~ --> ~~ICW~~ --> ~~MR~~

When doing the drill, I picked C because: S --> ICW --> ~~MR~~ must be false. The sufficient is satisfied so the rule must trigger, which means that MR can't be negated.

According to the question bank, though, D is the correct answer. My lawgic translation for that choice is as follows: ~~S~~ --> ~~ICW~~ --> ~~MR~~

It seems to me that D could be true. I know I'm missing something, but I just can't see it. Any insight, my friends?

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Hey everyone,

Ever since I've been studying, I've had some trouble with parallel flaw/reasoning questions. Not really sure what it is about them that's giving me so much trouble, but out of all the question types, I've seen the least improvement with these two. How do you approach these questions? What is your strategy, and what, if anything, helped you perform consistently well on these two question types?

Thanks for the help.

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I am only a 1/3 done with the CC at this point and am really concerned I won't be prepared for the June LSAT.

However, since this is the first year the July LSAT is being administered, and it is a non-disclosed test, I am also weary of taking my chances on a completely "experimental" test date. At the same time, I am unsure about the September LSAT cutting it too close to the early decision deadline for my top law school in November. This will also be my first time taking the LSAT.

I want to score really well for scholarships and I fully intend to apply this fall for SY 2019 (I went straight to my Masters after UG and graduated last spring and worked on a fellowship since. I am ready to move on in my career and go to law school so I can finally practice what I've been studying for).

Should I just go for June and retake in September if needed, or prepare longer and take my chances in July or September?

Looking forward to hearing your opinions!

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Hey everyone!

I was recently admitted to UChicago and I've gotten a handful of questions about the UChicago interview, so I thought I'd write up an in-depth post about it so that those of you interested in Chicago now and interested 7Sagers in the future can know what to expect :smile:.

For the sake of transparency, here are my numbers and how my cycle has gone: lawschoolnumbers.com/ApplicantFor2018

To add some color, I transferred universities from a T50 to a T20 after my first year of college. After transferring I received a 4.0 in all semesters. My letters of rec came from two professors - one I took for 3 semesters and the other just for 1 - whose classes I was #1 in consistently and whose office hours I attended religiously. I also took ~9 months off of school to work on Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign but am still graduating on time.

Time for the interview

In broad strokes, here are general points you should know:

1. It is structured.

In stark contrast with the Georgetown Alumni Interview (see: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/14244/i-just-interviewed-with-georgetown-heres-what-to-expect), the UChicago interview is structured. As in, the interviewer has a set of pre-determined questions they are trying to get through and they are taking notes on what you say. In this regard, this interview seems to matter a good amount. While the Georgetown Alumni Interview felt like a "gatekeeping" interview - where you were basically already admitted but they want to make sure you're not a weirdo - the UChicago interview felt more like your answers could not only preclude you from admission, but also EARN you admission. In other words, this interview is important and you should prepare for it.

2. But that doesn't mean be a robot.

A structured interview doesn't mean your answers have to be rigid. Demonstrate your intelligence and capability but also demonstrate your interpersonal skills. While the questions are structured, it is still fair-game to ask questions mid-interview. For example, it turns out my interviewer took time off of school to work on Obama's campaign, so we had something in common. I asked her a bit about her experience there and it was a great way to bond with her as an interviewer. Someone once told me people rarely remember what you said, but they always remember how you made them feel. It makes people feel good to talk about themselves, so let them. However, in the context of THIS PARTICULAR interview, because of it's more rigid structure and clear "we have to answer these questions" motive, don't ask too many questions as to seem scatter-brained or to be deliberately digressing. If an opportunity for a cool tangent comes up (like shared work experience, place of birth, etc.), take it! But DON'T MAKE one happen.

3. It is a short interview.

They're only 20 (max 25) minutes. When you first see your interviewer on Skype, he/she won't waste any time - they will jump STRAIGHT into the questions, so be prepared. There isn't much small talk beforehand to warm up, so make sure you're already warm and personable before you get the Skype call. (Also if it wasn't clear, UChicago ONLY conducts interviews via Skype - they do NOT offer in person interviews).

Here's how you should prepare

1. Practice these questions:

Thankfully many past UChicago interviewees have posted the questions they've been asked on various forums. Here are the potential questions you may be asked - practice answers for all of them:

Why law?

Why law now?

Why Chicago?

What am I doing between now and law school (I was a December graduate from UG)?

Resume related questions (questions about specific items or bullet-points on your rezzy).

Have you ever had a time when you were out of your element or comfort zone?

What is your greatest accomplishment?

If you could go back in time and redo one thing in your life, what would it be?

Discuss a memorable class or moment in a class.

Why did you choose your undergrad?

What is your preferred work style?

What do you do in your free time?

How would your professors describe you?

How would your peers describe you?

How would your coworkers describe you?

Do you have any questions for me?

"Who most influenced your decision to go to law school?"

Tell me about a challenge you faced?

Tell me about your current job.

Any points you want me to especially emphasize with the admissions committee?

"What is on your bucket list?"

If you could have a conversation with anyone, living or dead, who would it be and why?

2. When practicing your answers, make sure they are ~3-4 minutes.

Again, the interview is short. The interviewer will likely ask you 4-5 questions. As such, allocate your time wisely and be succinct in your answers. Don't be afraid to tell a narrative when answering them, but don't be too verbose either. Also, oftentimes after I would give an answer the interviewer would comment on it. For example, I said I wanted to go into administrative law and the interviewer talked about how fascinating it was for maybe 30-40 seconds after I finished my answer. Be aware that this will also cut into your time.

3. You will 100% be asked why UChicago and Why Law/Why Law Now and What Kind of Law

Okay, maybe not 100%, but as I perused all of the forums people were almost ALWAYS asked these questions. As such, prioritize constructing good answers for these. Remember UChicago has a reputation for being very academic, so I recommend focusing on something academic in your answer (though do whatever you think is best!).

4. Know your resume AND BEYOND

UChicago is not like other schools in their interview process. They want to know that you have critically reflected on key aspects of your life. For all interviews, you should know your resume. But while other schools (like Georgetown) would just ask "can you tell me about what you did on X/Y/Z job?", UChicago will ask "What did you learn about yourself from this job?" This is a much different question and requires introspection and navel-contemplation. I was asked this exact question pertaining to my campaign job - just be ready for it!

5. As always, bring questions.

Like in most interviews, the interviewer will allot a few minutes after the interview to answer your questions. Make sure you have some!

I hope this is helpful to everyone! I wanted to be 100% transparent in this since I know admissions and interviews are often such a nebulous, daunting process. If anyone has any further questions about the interview just comment down below or PM me and I'll respond!

P.S. - Your Skype ID is the thing that pops up in the top left corner of your Skype app when you open it on your computer. So if you made your Skype account with an e-mail, it will be that e-mail. If you made it through Facebook, it'll be something weird like facebook.paul.caint. This ID is what you send UChicago when scheduling your interview.

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Hi all,

Been lurking around here for quite a while. I scored a 178 last dec and hope to be a valuable resource. Any takers on pt70 br? My preference is 70 but am open to suggestions.

-Sam

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Hello Everyone,

I Just finished going through all the CC. I am also taking the June 2018 Test. I haven't taken a diagnostic yet and plan to do it this weekend and then from there work on the BR method in all areas for a month till May 11 (planning to purchase all the LSAT Bibles as well and incorporate them for my month long BR session) and then do timed PT's from May 11 till the test date on June 11. I have been working full time M-F 8-5 while doing the CC and plan to do so for the rest of my studies for the LSAT. I wanted to know peoples thoughts on my current game plan and that if I score below a 150 on my diagnostic test and given my current study plan while working full time, would the June 2018 test date be worth it or should I wait till the September 2018 LSAT?

Gracias.

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Seeking input and advice. Yes, I know I am starting early. My ultimate goal is to get into a T14 JD/Master of Public Policy dual degree program, work in government influencing legislation, strong interest in anti-corruption/ethics, and run for public office later.

I have been accepted into Clemson's honors college, Cornell and Furman. Clemson and Furman are very close in total cost for me (I won a large scholarship at Furman.) For those who do not know Furman, it is a small LAC with about 2,800 undergraduates. My parents say I would be a "big fish" at Furman, meaning it would be less competitive than the other two, probably easier to secure leadership positions, very strong access to professors, less stress, and they have a mock trial team (which I have enjoyed being a part of throughout HS.) I am concerned that Furman is not as well known when it comes time to apply to law schools. With the honors college at Clemson, it comes with some perks, more competitive for leadership roles, they have a good career services, and strong alumni. Much bigger enrollment, very hard to get into their honors college, they work with students who want to go for fellowships. Clemson doesn't have a mock trial team but they have a debate team and a "pre-law society." Cornell is obviously the Ivy, research opportunities, and alumni that comes with it. Worried about being able to achieve the super high GPA that is needed to get into a top law school if I go somewhere like Cornell where it is super competitive.

So I know for sure that I would like to study philosophy as one of my majors, particularly focusing on moral and political philosophy. (At Clemson they have it with a "Law, Liberty, and Justice emphasis." I was also thinking about majoring in Economics to understand how the economy works and to assist in the future for influencing economic policy. However, I read comments from an Economics major at Cornell said not to waste your time with it because the economics degree there is all theoretical and not enough math. Then I see someone saying that philosophy is more logic and reasoning and it is good to have more writing skills by taking political science or history. I am super strong in history and have loved it since third grade, and I am also very interested in political science. At Furman, an upperclassman told me to definitely get a second major in political science because there is some overlap with the philosophy degree where you don't need a lot of extra courses.

Anyways, would love your input. My parents are the analytical type (CPA and Computer Programming) and don't know anything about law school other than what we've been trying to research on-line. Thanks so much!

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I've gone through a lot of the CC, but there's a lot that I've skipped. I'm not -0 in any sections, but I understand the main concepts and am in more need of the hands on practice. For instance, I've skipped a lot of the videos about setting up logic games. I understand the basic concepts behind setting them up, it's just not 100% intuitive yet. I still mess up a ton, and I'm still fool proofing the early tests. At this point, do you think it's appropriate to keep fool proofing and doing blind reviews, or should I ensure that I throughly go through the parts of the CC that I haven't already? I'm taking the June LSAT.

With no time constraints or with BR, I'm

-4/5 RC

-1/2 LG

-3 LR

-3 LR

When did you switch from CC to pure PT and BR?

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Hey Guys,

Would really love some feedback on my predicament at the moment.

I've been studying for the LSAT for about a year, and took the February 2018 exam. After PT'ing in the low-mid 160's I was stuck with a 157..... (bombed LG... my best section).

Fortunately for me I'm a URM with a good gpa, and was accepted at GW with some money (waitlisted at Emory and WUSTL), however I feel I'm leaving points on the table, and the chance to attend a better school..

If I were to retake I would yet again have to delay law school by another year. Anybody have any advice to give on my situation? Would really appreciate it.

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I'm a music student and law school hopeful (obviously). I decided to check out admissions records for music majors on Law School Numbers today, and have to say it was pretty discouraging. Maybe the data isn't really representative because there really weren't a whole lot of search results, but it seems like those I found (particularly for higher scorers) really underperformed their numbers.

Of course I don't know anything about these people besides their numbers but it definitely has me a bit worried that even with a great LSAT score I won't be that competitive for T14 schools. Anyone else out there coming from music or other fine arts fields and have thoughts or experience to share?

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Does anyone else have this problem? When I do a section or a problem timed I get completely flustered because my mind is constantly under pressure and wondering if I'm taking too long. The second I decide to do the same section untimed, I notice I do the questions faster and get them all right. I'm sure others have encountered this. What did you do to get past the time stress?

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My reach school is WUSTL - I have a friend who is a 1L there and had the opportunity to have lunch with a professor and sit in a class. I'm smitten.

I scored a 161 on the February LSAT. I'm an older student so there's a decade gap in my undergrad. My most recent GPA is 3.75 (one full time semester) but my overall GPA is 2.9 because of my early (under)performance.

My personal statement was about an experience which inspired me to pursue law school. I have a strong work history and I've spent the past couple years working at a nonprofit which offers pro bono legal services.

So far I've been accepted to Mizzou w a 60k scholarship. If WUSTL is your reach/dream school , I'd like to hear your story.

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I was wondering if anyone time their LG problem sets right from the start. I have encountered a problem with In-Out games. I cant seem to get any inference, or I am making too much that it eats away the time. I have been timing myself with every problem through the course just to get a baseline of how long I do these problems. averaging about 10-12 mins which is pretty long. Although I do make sure to check the other answer choices even if I circled the correct one. I am just getting really discouraged.

The way JY teaches LG is to make the inferences up-front to save time answering questions. I used to just brute force my way in each question ( I know thats not a smart thing to do). So I am changing the way I approach the problem.

My question is, I know JY has a "Fool-Proof technique" video for LG mastery. Has anyone tried this and gotten big improvements? What were your techniques? Do you do the inferences per rule? or Do you read all the rule then start the inferences? Its just that, time-wise I know memorizing inferences for a specific game would reduce it after n-th time of doing the same game. But is this assuming that LSAT will make the same game format and thus, it would feel like "Ive seen this before " therefore "Ill make the same inferences (slightly tweaked) as JY did?

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Hope everyone’s admissions or study cycle is going well. I just wanted to get a bit of feedback on mine—which has been touch and go thus far. I’m just wondering if I have good reason to worry about the outcome of this cycle.

First thing that I’ll say is that I’ve applied to 14 schools and have heard back from five of them thus far: sitting at a 2-2-1 record. Two acceptances (UT, Northwestern), two waitlists (Duke (priority reserve), and Berkeley), and most recently one rejection (Harvard, 2 Weeks after JS1). Nothing from any other school.—I also should note that I applied very late in this cycle (this could be a non-negligible factor).

I also might throw in a little about my desired career path: clerking, to a stint in big Law (5-7 years), then either to PI or academia (with a strong preference for the latter). There are a lot of reasons for these particular goals but that would detract you for too long and besides, I’m always open-minded about evolving opportunities and so grant that these might well change.

In any case, with the Harvard rejection, I’ve gotten a little more concerned about my cycle. Ever more concerned, in fact, because sifting through the available data on URMs (I’m AA) and Harvard admissions data my rejection appears to be historic. Now this is not “historic” in some highfalutin sense—this is, after all one admissions decision in a sea of thousands and thousands—but just in the sense that given the data, I have the infamous role of being the most egregious underachiever as far as numbers are concerned (i.e., given the data, my numbers would have predicted a strong chance of admission to Harvard and a stronger chance of no rejection). As far as softs are concerned, I haven’t medaled in the olympics but have “disadvantage” softs (first gen, recovered from a major brain injury) plus other non-traditional softs (PhD). Given all of this, Harvard was probably my best shot at a T-3 acceptance (I basically blanketed the top 16 schools besides Cornell and Georgetown).

So, finally, my two questions are these: should I be worried about the complexion of the rest of my cycle given my goals? How likely is it that some facet of my application (or me!) doomed my chances—a facet that I’m not seeing (because I can’t access the neccesary vantage point to assess myself as others do)?

I made the decision (mistake?) of doing all of my applications without much help/feedback, and wonder if this fact (stupidity?) coupled with the Harvard rejection supports an affirmative answer to my second question. While I cannot do anything about it for this cycle, I favor truth over truthiness so I can mentally prepare myself for what is (soon) to come. In that sense, your thoughts would prove helpful.

Any and all feedback is appreciated and I thank y’all in advance!

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I applied to NYU pretty close to their deadline and sent an update re my Feb. Score. I literally haven't heard a peep out of them since the confirmation email that you receive right after sending in the application. To top it off, I went to their website today and clicked on the "status check" link and got an error message. I only tried it a couple of times this morning so maybe it's crashing due to checks but has anyone else had this issue? I know I submitted close to their deadline, but that was a while ago and I haven't even gotten an email saying my application is "complete", which I have already gotten from all other schools.

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