Hey fighters of LSAT-evil,

During the actual exam, that 15 minute break can seriously be tempting to a lot of people to relax too much and this can be detrimental to a few of us out there, including myself. When I took the exam yesterday (sept 2017) I couldn't resist going outside, grabbing some sunshine, eat my traditional trail-mix (with extra m&m's), play with my somewhat 33 pencils (give or take) and completely stop thinking about the LSAT that was coming back to bite me in the *** 14 minutes later.

I read @LSATcantwin 's strategy during the 15 minute break regarding a personal 1-1 pep-talk with, well, yourself. That seemed really useful to me personally and am very curious to see what other people do.

What exactly goes through your mind during the actual exam during the 15 minute break? What do you do to stay level-headed and frequent in the "eyes on the prize" mode?

Hey all,

This morning was rough..like really rough..as some of you may know I've been shooting for a mid-170s score and my PTs were on par with that grade.

This morning though, I just felt like I got hit by a brick wall. I don't feel confident in my score at all.

I wanted to know, what are the potential advantages of canceling? Do law schools only look at your top score, or do they average them? Does it depend on the school? And if so, which average and which take the top ones?

Thanks,

Paul

I took the LSAT yesterday. This was my second time. On my PT's I was scoring in the mid to high 160's. My ideal score is 167 or above.

I just don't know how I did yesterday. I don't know how to assess my performance in any of the sections on the test besides LG. I was able to figure out every game except the second one in which I had to guess on 3-4 questions. In my PTs, I was getting 2-3 wrong on LG.

I can't risk another bad score. I did terrible on my first LSAT in which I totally bombed the LG section (got -15). I worked the heck out of LG games this time so I don't think I bombed LG again unless I screwed up everything. I thought LR and RC on yesterday's test was normal, besides the passage about the judges.

I don't know what to do. I really don't want to cancel because I have some applications that require the September score. I would be fine with a score in the mid-to-high 160's. I just can't get the same score as last time or do worse because that would just destroy me. Is it possible to do worst than your first LSAT??? I put in two full months of studying in this.

I'm just curious how others who are relying on the September score are thinking about what to do next, especially those who didn't take the test for the first time yesterday.

So I took the exam today and I was super bummed because I absolutely blanked on logic games. They were standard and I had done similar games dozens of times before usually only going -1 to -2 but I just blanked.

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I plan on drilling games and filming myself but feel kind of discouraged especially after doing so many games and feeling like i'm pretty good to blanking out and ruining my score with this easy section.

any advice would be appreciated. thx

Hi Guys,

I'm almost positive I accidentally misbubbled on the demographics portion in terms of the LSAT. Definitely the nerves. Does this matter? Should I just email LSAT and clarify my mistake?

Thanks in advance :)

Hello fellow fighters against LSAT-evil,

I've been curious to see what your opinions are when it comes to switching up sections with different sections to create a sort-of "new" PT. For example, using PT 60 as a base and taking out 2 (randomly selected) sections and replacing them with sections from, say, PT 62 or PT 56.

Clearly, this sort of practice is for people who have done all PT's in the LSAT world and have nothing left to do. I have to ask, what are your thoughts on this particular practice?

For me, I think it would create more anonymity with that PT for those who have done it already and don't want to be mislead by past choices, whether or not that past choice was the correct or incorrect answer. From my experience, when I retake a particular PT I tend to remember the PT sections ordering among other things. If one were to mix up PT sections with a different PT section then I feel that would throw the test taker off by just enough to prevent information recall and rely more on your skills learned.

I don't know, what do you guys think? I ask this because I'm beginning to run out of PT's (been studying for almost a year) and would need at least a few more PT's before I write in December. Also, because I can't seem to find an opinion on 7sage forums about this type of practice nor have I come across a question like this on TLS or elsewhere. Maybe my Google search skills need some sharpening...

So I already saw a string a few test center complaints from this morning's test but what I experienced today wasn't at all from other students' disruptions but all fell solely on the proctor.

For 2 sections (section 2 and 3) the proctor called timed early. She legitimately shaved off 5 whole minutes from Section 2 and while some of us verbally complained, as you know there's not much time in between each section and we shuffled in Section 3 w/o immediately addressing it. She tried to call time TEN whole minutes before Section 3 ended and so the majority of the room complained, had our watches in the air like 'wtff??!'. She apologized and let us finish. She even said 'this is just not my day...' Because of that, a girl complained that ALL of our test scores should be cancelled at this point because of the multiple disruptions. I was torn because although they were disruptions, I wasn't willing to give up all the work. The proctor compromised slightly and gave us 5 minutes to GO BACK to Section2 (yes, this was already after Section 3).. while I feel like i was to re-confirm some questions I circled in those 5 mins. I'm not sure if it did that much for me. ON TOP OF THAT, the proctor's cellphone rang TWICE!! So the girl from earlier plus about 4-5 other students, at least from what I saw, cancelled immediately during the break. Me and other people around me were shocked 'I can't believe that just happened.' 'All the studying for THIS to happen!?' etc. I know a lot of people will be e-mailing LSAC with a complaint about this and are debating cancelling within the 6 days.

Im really torn .. I've been studying for awhile/have extended twice and this was supposed to the one for me. Overall, while I do feel like I did okay and sufficient enough to apply to schools, when I get the score in Oct. I can't help to think that I was possibly robbed some points b/c of these disruptions. IF enough people send a complaint, do you think LSAC will cancel everyone's score even if we don't apply for a cancellation?

Sorry.... went on a major rant.. thank you for reading through all of this - if you've experienced something similar in the past or know of anyone, any thoughts of how LSAC might handle? Any advice?

Thanks!

Hey everyone,

Sorry if this has been posted previously but I wasn't able to find any threads relating to actual video recordings of people taking timed LSATs. I do know they exist, as I've seen people referring to those in the past on the 7sage discussion board. I'm at the point in my studying where it would be super beneficial to watch a top scorer go through the test and see their timing strategy.

Thanks in advance!

So...today I took the September LSAT and had to cancel my score, which is devastating because I have now prepped with various methods for 1.5 years. Last September, I took the exam and bombed it because I was working over 80 hrs a week and did not dedicate enough time to honestly taking timed tests and BRing. Since February of this year, I have been on 7Sage going over core curriculum on all of my weak areas that other test prep companies could not help me with. I have read the LSAT Trainer 3 times, done the PS bibles too many times to count, PS bible workbooks, Manhattan strategy guides, Blueprint LG book, and burned through pretty much every single LSAT all the way up to 81(mistake numero uno, I know).

I feel like I know what I am doing when I do timed exams at home, but that said, my scores are inconsistent. LG is my weakness, and my problems in LR are not specific to question type, but rather spread out. I range anywhere from 158-168 timed and my BR is usually about 10 points or so over whatever score I get timed. I thoroughly review each test, and seemed to be improving. My biggest issue is my severe...and I am talking SEVERE test anxiety. I have tried meditating, release methods, affirmations, etc. I don't know what to do. Today, I walked into that test confident that I would kick this test in the butt. When the test began, I could not absorb any of the information I was reading and I panicked. I tried breathing deeply and tried to calm myself down, but nothing helped. I completely froze and became paralyzed for the rest of the test and had a panic attack during the break. After studying for 1.5 years and doing nothing but LSAT prep, I am completely devastated. I have sacrificed so much (time, financial security, mental health, emotional health,etc.). I just don't know what to do at this point. I don't want to give up on my dreams, but I don't know what to do.

Abit of background: i have a degree from a crappy online college (upside is a gtaduated with a cumulative GPA of 3.96)

I spent 3 years studying ancient text abroad.

My whole schooling would be considered rigorous by most standards (i.e. start at 7:45am - 8:45 pm sunday - thursday.) From 9th grade till now 4yrs out of highschool.

Unfortunately, due to getting my degree online, i dont have any really strong LORs, but they are solid.

I have done tons of charity work and the like.

Realistically, i am expecting a 169-172 on my december take.

I have started looking at different schools, and NYU, columbia are looking mighty fine.

Do you guys think these should be considered my 'reach" schools?

Proctors: Really kind, nice proctor. I had a horrible test day, and he was super kind to me at the break when I was crying like a freak.

Facilities: McKimmon Center (NC State's career conference center).

What kind of room: A medium sized conference room

How many in the room: There were probably 40ish?

Desks: We had very large desks that were spread out

Left-handed accommodation: Yes! I am a lefty and it was nice to not be hitting the wall throughout the test

Noise levels: Not bad at first, but there was some sort of conference going on, and a woman kept yelling "WAHOOOO" about every 20 minutes.

Parking: Provided and free

Time elapsed from arrival to test: about 30-45 min.

Irregularities or mishaps: Just the weird conference and the lady

Other comments: It is COLD as CRAPPPP Bring yo' mittens!

Would you take the test here again? Not sure...I took my first one at the Cary Elite Career Services place and it was wayyyyy better, but I feel like NC State is probably the next best thing

Date[s] of Exam[s]: September 16, 2017

Hello,

This will probably get buried before the next LSAT administration, but at my test, they did not allow any snacks with labels into the testing room. So, anything with a wrapper had to be left outside the testing room. I had not read or heard anything like this before, maybe I missed it somewhere, but just as a general warning to test takers in the future: think about removing snacks from their packaging.

As a result, I had to leave my snacks outside the testing room on a table in the hall, where a college student generously helped themselves to half of my snacks. Yum.

Had a bad test center experience this morning (the proctors kept going in and out of the room and slammed the door every few minutes, there were people outside yelling at one point, and in the last section the person next to me began humming (albeit quietly). I'm unable to take it in December (serious conflict with the date of the test). Is there any possible recourse LSAC could provide?

So to aid in test anxiety and stimulate real life test conditions I was thinking of forming a real life test taking group.

We meet at the library and take the lsat pts together, someone act as the proctor, keep us accountable for the timing etc

Thought this could be very helpful.

Any lsaaters from Columbus and neighborhood let me know !

Summary: The proctor claimed this was the first time they were using the venue, to account for some shennanigans. The venue was pretty with ample waiting area, spacious desks, but terrible lighting. After we all sat down, we had to wait while they took lamps out of rooms or storage, and even then it was dimly lit. I say shennanigans because I know the Fall LSAC Forum in NYC is scheduled at the same venue, in the same room, as this test. Maybe they knew beforehand, maybe they didn't. But LSAC, you really should send your event planners on site visits; it's standard industry practice. Convenient subway access.

Setting pros: Chill vibe. Chill proctors. Bar downstairs. Bars outside. All the amenities of a hotel.

Setting cons: It was DARK. Like, we could have used flashlights or screened a film dark. They did get a lot of lamps going, but lightning was highly variable across the room. A couple people asked to be moved to an area with more or less lighting and were accommodated by the proctors.

Proctors: It seemed like everyone was let in. I even stood up at the wrong time by accident, and while I did get an eyeroll, nothing came of it.

Facilities: Dark. Spacious. Romantic?

What kind of room: It's the Mercury Ballroom and Rotunda -- you can look at the Hilton's website and see a picture of the room in the 3D conference/event space digital tour. The LSAC ticket listed this room, so it was easy to see a picture of the space beforehand.

How many in the room: I was in the Mercury Rotunda with about 30 people because I was at the back of the line. The Ballroom had at least 100.

Desks: Long desks. Not a smooth finish, but I bubbled on top of the test booklet itself and was fine. Not seated every-other chair -- people were very close to each other.

Noise levels: Quiet.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Reporting time was 8:30. I arrived at 8, and about half of the test takers were already there. We started Section 1 at 10:10.

Other comments: They had water outside for us, so I should have brought a plastic bottle of coffee instead of water! Alas.

Would you take the test here again? Yes. Though I'd want to sit in a brighter area, I think.

Date of Exam: Sept 2017

You know what's going to be special about the test tomorrow?

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A few years from now, it will just be another PT that no one thinks anything of. PT 82. It'll be a recent PT for a very short while, then it'll be a recent-ish one. Then it'll be one that people take to warm up to the recent ones. Eventually, people will dissect it for drills. There's nothing about it that will stand out to future generations of LSAT students. It'll be like PT 51 is to us now. People really freaked out about PT 51 back in the day. Seems kind of silly now doesn't it? I mean, it's PT 51, who cares, nothing special. There was probably a passage or a game that was kinda hard. Okay, so what? It was a particularly good test for some of us, a particularly bad one for others, and about average for most of us.

PT 82 will be similarly mundane. How can I make such a prediction? The truth is, they're all mundane. I've seen every last one of them, and not a single one was special. We know exactly what will be on PT 82, we know the difficulty will range from fairly easy to insanely difficult, and we know exactly how to handle all of it. So relax knowing that nothing is going to be on 82 that hasn't been on every test prior. Any differences will be entirely superficial.

Good luck everyone, and see y'all after!

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It's test day. I'm freaking out. I flew to another state for this exam and I'm petrified.

It's probably no big deal, but I realized after today's test that I had forgot to erase the little dashes I put beside 'questionable' questions on the Scantron sheet. I asked the proctor if that was okay and she just said that it probably was, but obviously didn't know. Is there any chance that this is going to cause me problems?

Hi all,

As I was about to hand in my score sheet today, I realized that I only bubbled in 25 questions for my last LR section (which had 26 questions). During that section, I skipped 14 and came back to it to fill it in, so I know that 1-14 are okay. I have no sense of where I made the mistake from 15-26. If it was just the last page (2 questions) or last 2 pages (5 questions), I would not cancel my score because I thought the rest of the test went well. I also have my heart set on applying this cycle.

I never make bubbling mistakes during PTs in part because I check that my bubbles line up with the questions. I simply can not remember, though, if I lined up any answer post-14 with the appropriate bubble.

I would appreciate any advice people may have. For instance, if I do poorly and take again in December, will schools consider an addendum that explains I made a bubbling error?

Thank you.

This was my first week with 7sage. I read that the BR score is used to indicate room for improvement whereas the timed score is used to indicate performance under time pressure. And a scary question popped into my head, is 163 my ceiling i.e. will I never break 170 or above? I know the question sounds stupid, but I am totally new to the 7sage and the LSAT in general and I just got worried. :( I plan on upgrading to the Ultmate+ course. I am only in third year and have lots of time to wait and prep.

What is Manhattan Prep talking about when they say "1. Don’t forget your PRINTED admission ticket and a PRINTED photo."

they say to bring a different photo printed, but no where on the ticket or on LSAC's site does it say to do this.. Someone on TLS brought this up and it's kind of confusing.

https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/blog/2017/08/24/9-things-need-know-day-of-the-lsat/

Besides first page of ticket, ID, pencils, sleeveless eraser, casio watch, snacks and water, are there anything else I would need to pack?

Hi guys! I was curious what everyone's plans regarding the September LSAT are. Personally, I will be taking it tomorrow.

By the grace of the LSAT gods I have every intention of killing it and never looking back. However, this will also be my first official take and given that the LSAT is the beast that it is-I am also open to the possibility of retaking in December. How does everyone else feel?

Best of luck to everyone tomorrow, cheers!

Anyone know if it's permitted to wear hats or other related headgear?

Hi All, Has anyone signed up for tomorrows test and Decembers? Just curious to know how many people schedule this way and what are your reasons?