Hi, I have a question:

Premise: A -m-> B --> C

Invalid Conclusion: A --> C

Is A --> C necessarily false? Or is it just not necessarily true? Or do we simply not know?

I am taking the August LSAT and was hoping to get some tips for last minute improvement on LGs, my worst section by far. I know this is something that should have been shored months ago but I can only look forward. Yesterday I took PT 83 and did very well besides LG, where I got ¡-15! Suffice to say, I had a bit a major freakout yesterday but now I am ready to get to work.

My current range on PT's is 161 to 166, I really hoped to be in the high 160's - low 170's but my biggest obstacle are the games. My avg's are (LR -4, RC -5.5, LG -8.2). Unfortunately my scores are a bit skewed because the LR no longer counts as 2/4 of the LSAT grade.

My current plan is to take one more PT at some point this week but for the rest of the week just drill logic games. I know it is the easiest section to improve, and I hope to get it close to -2 by the October test, but for now what would your suggestions be for quick improvement. Should I take the same tests over and over again until I get the assumptions down perfectly? Or take a wide range of LG sets so that while question types are similar, the actual details are different and I need to improvise my assumptions? Are there any specific LG types that might be the easiest to perfect and maybe I should focus on those?

Any, and I mean any, suggestions are appreciated as I try to bump my score up.

Omg I can't believe after 5 months of studying I'm taking the LSAT in a couple days. Newer LR questions are making me very nervous and I don't know what else I can do in the following days to improve my score just a bit.

Any one else feeling this way?

I seem to remember JY saying in one of his videos that passages with 2 parts in RC (usually labeled part A and B ) are no longer common on the LSAT. Am I remembering this correctly?

Hello fellow 7sagers, first time test taker here. I am taking the August 2021 LSAT and was wondering what protocols previous and fellow first-time test takers are following during the last >week of prep before the test regarding the taking of full, timed PTs. I believe this thread might be helpful to others in my position as well, considering this August test is a little unprecedented with the introduction of the new-ish format.

For some context, I have 2 "fresh" PTs left, (89 and M20), and was planning on taking 89 sometime within the next few days, and then spending the remaining time chopping up M20 for timed sections/practice and light drilling before my big day on Saturday.

Additionally, I started my prep this summer with a 150 diagnostic, and am currently averaging around 167 (deriving this average from my most recent PT's which have been in the 80's and 70's). I scored a 169 on PT 71 last Wednesday, but then experienced significant (although not debilitating) burnout, so I took the next two days off. With this in mind, I'm wondering if I should even bother PT'ing again before Saturday, or just drill/do timed sections for the remaining week. Throughout this entire prep I have never spent a full week without doing at least one PT. I would like to sit down and do another full run-through on LawHub with a fresh 89 under test conditions, but at the same time I would like to avoid more burnout (which may or may not even happen).

Thanks for any advice.

The title says it all.

I was making major progress on all of my sections, but RC seems to have taken a turn for the worst. The decline started at the same time I began taking my PTs on Lawhub in preparation for the exam. I am drilling 4-passage sections and doing really well, but it’s not transferring to my PTs. The most concerning thing is I didn’t feel like I did badly on my PTs… Any tips, advice, prior experience with this phenomenon? Thank you in advance!

I have been doing a combination of drills recently cover from accuracy to timing. For instance, one day I would do a group of medium level passages, timed and a timed LR section. The next day I would do some drills focus on techniques and accuracy. My drilling results is somewhat OK(-3/4 in LR and -4/5 in RC, and -2 in LG). But when I took PT yesterday my PT results was so much lower than my expedition(-6 in LR, -8in RC and -7 in LG). I feel my work throughout the week is not reflected. Any suggestions about what I should do?

Thanks!

So I got this question wrong under timed conditions (chose D), but then in blind review had an inkling that answer choice (E) was correct, even though I still couldn't completely rule out (D). Here was my blind review explanation:

(D) If the number of cops had increased, this at least seems like it would mitigate the reasoning used by the city official, because there were sufficient number of cops to deal with the population increases (according to experts). So what the citizen said was more substantiated, by this logic. I think so at least?

(E) So this is suggesting that the healthcare has improved a bunch, and the murder rate would have gone up even more drastically than the small pop increases, taking away the assumption that city official had made that the murder rate increased incrementally/steadily with population. I think this is the strongest counter to the city officials argument because it exposes the assumption/argument more, but I don't know why (D) is incorrect either, entirely.

Maybe (D) because more cops are not necessarily more equipped to deter violent crime, and what the city official says still stands, that the increase in pop is still a more relevant factor that the citizen is not considering. Maybe they weren't doing anything to deter violent crime before, and they are still not, and therefore what the citizen is saying is still incorrect, and what the city official is saying is still reasonable?

Please help me resolve/reconcile/explain why (D) is wrong and (E) is right, the right way!

Thanks! :)

In the last sentence of the stimulus, does "eliminate" mean completely removing ALL demeaning work, or only reducing the sum total of demeaning work? The last sentence says the robots will only "substitute one type of demeaning work for another" so is he arguing that the sum TOTAL of demeaning work will remain the same, even if we started using robots?

And isn't the author assuming that the engineer's job and "least expensive, least demanding" labor is "demeaning?" Why isn't that a flaw?

It seems a lot harder to not go to the AC that you remember just because you have memorized it and not because you know the inferences when you repeat the question so how do you repeat without doing that (or should you)? Additionally, I read somewhere about doing parallel arguments during blind review. Can someone give me an example of that? I am finding it hard to picture what exactly that looks like

Hey so I suck at MSS questions. I'm great at finding the conclusion questions and MBT questions so I'm surprised I do poorly on a question type that's so related to the aforementioned types. When analyzing the stimulus, I understand what I read but I'm the type of person who needs certainty to feel like they understand something. So when inferences that are based on a subjective analysis of the stimulus, I tend to struggle. Are there any drills I could do outside of grinding MSS questions to improve on this question type?

Hi all,

So I have been studying for the LSAT for over a year and scoring consistently in the 170s. I always planned on taking the FLEX test so I have always studied with 3 section test. After not scoring how I wanted to on the June exam, I had to sign up for August, and start practicing with four sections.

I have been doing the "experimental" section first to see how the extra section is impacting my stamina. Holy score drop. MY BR scores are the same, but my fatigue by the end of the 4 section is causing mistakes (mid 160s).

I am wondering if I should push to October, or try to build stamina in this last week/week and a half. I dont like where pushing the test puts me for applications, but I really dont want an unrepresentative score on my file. I have noticed the fatigue is lessened over the past 2 PTs.... what would you do? Is it ignorant to think that the adrenaline of the test might help with fatigue?

How early before my exam start time should I log on? For example, if my exam is at 10am, when should I begin firing up my LawHub?

Hi Everyone! I am working through the last few sections of the LR part of the course and have struggled with the Parallel Method of Reasoning and Parallel Flaw Questions the most. I find that I take forever to read the AC and second-guess myself. I have gotten better at intuitively answering the other LR types now that I understand what the questions are asking (without Lawgic/diagramming... this is still difficult despite understanding the questions). Do I need to go back and study the Lawgic sections, or is there other approaches that might help?

This might be a obvious answer but I just want to be certain. How do we actually access the exam -- is it on the Proctor Website? I am a first time test taker and just want to limit the unknowns.

What is everyone doing study material and time wise and we approach the August exam?

Hi everyone!

I have been studying for the LSAT for about three months now, and I just cannot seem to bring my logical reasoning score up. On my practice tests, I typically get about 7-10 questions wrong (the best I have scored is -4). I have tried so many different resources, including the Loophole and the LSAT trainer. I have been practicing a lot. I can identify the question types, and I feel pretty confident about my skills until I take a prep test or drill. This just seems to be an ongoing cycle and I was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how I can overcome this? Perhaps there are some people out there who have been in the same boat and could share some advice based on their experiences. Any insight and advice would be MUCH appreciated. Thank you :)

Am I confused or wouldn’t I be able to see an accurate depiction of my lsat score for this upcoming august lsat by just taking the flex version that 7 sage offers? I know that the august lsat will be four sections but since one of the sections is not scored does it really matter if you take all four sections on the practice PTs. I feel like taking the four section PTs gives me an inaccurate score since 7 sage grades the fourth “ experimental section.”

Hey 7sagers,

I just wanted to see what y'all think the best use of the 10 minute break between the 2nd and 3rd sections is. Any particular things to do or stay away from?

Thanks!

Hi everyone,

I am currently on the game section of the CC. I noticed that JY draws sub-gameboards for some games while just write down the rules for some games without making sub-gameboards. He tackles the questions just with rules when making the latter decision. He did state to make as much inference as possible by drawing different sub-gameboards before tackling the questions, but for some game rules, we have about 6-7 different sub-gameboards to draw, which makes me run out of given time. I am just wondering how are we supposed to know whether to draw all the sub-gameboards or just write down the rules and use the rules to answer the questions.

Let me give you a clearer example.

On the CC Sequencing Game Problem Set 2, JY only wrote down the rules for the game on PT 30 S1 Q18-Q23 without writing the sub-gameboards. His reason was that “there are only three rules.” However, if we look at CC Sequencing Game Problem Set 3 PT 29 S3 Q14-Q19, JY draws two sub-gameboards and use them to answer the questions.

I noticed that if we are to solve the game questions in a given time that JY tells us to do, which is under 5-7 minutes per game, we literally have to know how to tackle the game the moment we read the rules written in English.

Could you please share your thought on this?

As always, I really appreciate you for reading my question and taking time out of your day to answer my question.

My approach to both is to view the correct AC as a MBT and the four other ACs as CBT/CBF/MBFs. Similarly to MBT, for MSS will the correct answer always be an inference/ conclusion? If so, is the only real difference between MSS and MBT questions the question stem format? Or for MSS will the correct AC sometimes just be a statement that is a MBT but not necessarily an inference?

I guess bottom line is I'm asking how you all approach these two question stems, and if you have the same strategy for both? Or if there are significant differences between the two that warrant a different approach for both?

TIA!

I just went through the memory method curriculum. Is it useful to do the drill again with the same passage if you don't remember everything the first time (after a couple of days) or is it not worth it to do that with RC?

Although I am getting better at locating the conclusion in the stimulus, the answer choices are throwing curve balls and hard punches below the belt. Can someone help me please......?

On this question, while I was able to understand and agree that the conclusion was sentence 1, the answer choices all look so..... attractive and it is difficult to understand why the answers are right and wrong. In speeding through this question, I took a second look thereby, in studying and going back, they all look so... wrong to the point that I would disagree that any of them are correct.

The correct AC, (B), allegedly makes a recommendation "..., is advisable...", and allegedly includes additional information as per "..., in as high proportion of their experiments....".

Help..........!!!!!!!?????

I assume it is a relationship between the words "possible" and "can"?

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How would you diagram the highlighted sentence. It has three conditional indicators ("if"- group 1 sufficient, "unless"- group 3 negate/sufficient and "cannot" group 4- negate, necessary)?

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