I came across these two questions while I was practicing rules translation in sequencing LG and I can't seem to understand what "disallowing/allowing ties" mean:

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I know both seem the same when translated but I want to know what ties really mean in game rules and if they make any difference in translation.

I also did not get another example that I came through in translation:

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Why isn't it R... ___G? isn't the red card the one behind the grey car which means comes before?

I would appreciate any help with these three examples.

What is everyone doing to prepare? Would anyone recommend taking a PT on Sunday (the day before) or leaving that day to clear your head?

I know selection games are not very common on recent LSAT tests, unless they're hybrid games, but I wanted to get some practice with them. If possible, can anyone tell me where I can find a list of each selection game present in all previous LSAT practice tests? Or what should I use to get the best practice on selection games?

Why is the answer to this question, D? The passage says that they sold the product for free, so how are we to know whether this includes shipping and handling? Is B not a more appropriate answer?

Explanation: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-4-question-24/

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Anyone have an opinion on this Florida law school. I’m considering whether I accept admission. Last was 150. Pro vs cons any welcome. Gpa of 3.65

So in some of the 7-8 question RC passages I'm getting -0 or -1, and in others, I'm getting -4 or -5-- even on the passages I find moderately interesting. The problem is that I really think that my answers are correct while I'm choosing them. Any suggestions?

I'm in the process of fool proofing the games from PT 1-35. I'm only on PT 3 but I was wondering if it's ok to watch the explanation first, which is what I've been doing. Once I get more experience I plan to attempt the games on my own but for now is it ok to watch the explanation first? I've been averaging about 2 - 4 tries to foolproof a single game.

So other than BRing PTs, I’ve also started keeping an ongoing list of LR questions I got wrong and going over those when I get a chance. Do you think reviewing RCs you’ve taken before but had trouble with again is helpful at all? Or are you sort of tainted from the fact that you’re already familiar with the passage? Any suggestions are welcome! Thanks in advance!

I would say I am at the point where indicators and making diagrams has become second nature for me. But, this particular problem has my mind going in a loop. Logic makes more sense to me when I understand why certain negations are valid--i.e. DeMorgan’s Law and proofs. So any explanation for this example would be helpful.

"G cannot be cleaned until F is cleaned, unless F is cleaned second."

I will explain my reasoning so that one is able to point to my error.

To me, I view this problem in two parts, before the comma and after. Before the comma, using until as a group three indicator would cancel out the cannot, thus making the conditional G --- F. As for after the comma, I choose to use the unless portion (group three) to negate the previously stated relationship (G --- F). The negation of the sufficient condition of G before F would make it F before G -----> F2

My diagram would look like this. (F ---- G) ----> F2

Somehow this is wrong and I think it has to do with using three indicators instead of two, specifically hinging on the "until" term.

So my question is 1) is it wrong to use until as an indicator here and 2) when and how can I know to use an indicator or not.

Thank you so much!

I’ve been using low res summaries , drilling timed and untimed . And developing an annotation strategy . My rc score keeps going up and down (I know this can depend on the passages ) . I seem to struggling the most with Law / science passages . How were y’all able to implement a consistent score with rc ? I’ve also been keeping track of reasoning errors. I know some people swear by reading material other then rc but I did some research it seems like a waste of time because rc passages are structured a certain way . Feel free to challenge that !

Hi everyone,

I am really struggling with Parallel Method of Reasoning Questions. I just finished the CC lessons on it and I feel like I still don't have them down in terms of timing and/or the method. I feel like I spend way too much time on them and I am considering skipping them when I see them on the real test so that I don't let them turn into a time-suck.

Interestingly enough, on my diagnostic I got all 2 of the Parallel Method questions correct...so idk why these problem sets are such a struggle. It often feels as if I don't even understand what the stimulus is trying to tell me...like I get confused and stressed by these questions.

Thoughts? Advice? Opinion on skipping these questions?

Either way, I think I'll come back to these lessons in a couple of weeks when I feel like I've thoroughly forgotten them...

Hi all! I have been studying for the LSAT for a while, and recently switched from doing PT in the 50's to the 70's. Unfortunately, my scores dropped from 170-173 to mid 160's. My reading comp took the biggest hit. I used to miss 0-2 in reading comp, but it definitely got significantly harder. Feeling a little beaten down, does anyone have any advice on how to pick back up? I am missing about 7 per section now. I am thinking of maybe leaving the comparative passage for last? The questions definitely got a lot tougher in the more recent tests...

Any and all advice/personal experiences moving from older to newer tests is greatly appreciated!

I just find it more efficient in a lot of cases. Perhaps there is an additional premise, I'll wrrite in just a couple inferences and know the answer. So I'll often just erase the few elements I wrote in to use the "empty" game board for the proceeding questions. Why is erasing so negatively spoken of? How many of you do it anyway?

I have a few questions when it comes to logical reasoning so please bare with me. So I know how to pick the correct conclusion and premise and I can do the lawgic translation but I am having a problem translating the lawgic back into English and yes I have reviewed the lessons. Its like when I translate the lawgic back to English what I think the translation is saying is not what the answer choices are saying which then throws me off when its comes to picking the correct answer.So since I was having a problem with this I would paraphrase the conclusion and premise and try to piece together the answer which works for some questions but its not effective in mastering every question as opposed to the lawgic translations. I also get confused when it comes to the group 4 translations so I will add a link in for a question where you can see my thought process.

When should you be doing lawgic translations for logical reasoning questions? When do you know if conditional logic is being used in the stimulus? Is lawgic and logic the same thing?

Are there any tips when it comes to paraphrasing the stem for the lawgic translation? Sometimes I have a little trouble trying to figure out exactly what letters that I should use that will grasp the whole concept of the premises and conclusion. For example, I know that my paraphrase with letters will not be the exact same as JY's but I must admit that his paraphrase captures the whole concept and mine seems overly complicated which then throws me off because I be having the correct premise and conclusion,. What can I do that will help me with the paraphrasing and confusion from the lawgic translation to the English Translation?

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/self-expression-strengthen-question/?ss_completed_lesson=931

Premise: What they seems to ignore is that, trivially anything we do is self expressive and also their claim isn't interesting

Conclusion: We are not obliged to take their claim seriously.

Translation: /I and T

/S

Answer is /I...S or /T...S

So the correct answer was C but was confused because I thought that when it came to group four terms you have to do the contrapositive after the negation and Jy didnt. So I thought the final answer would have been s...t or /s.../t but it was t.../s

i am taking the LSAT in September for the first time and I need at least a 160. I scored a 145 on my first cold practice test. Is it possible to make that big of a jump in scoring in such a short period of time??

Does anyone have any cheat sheets for the Logic group 1-4 and logic in general?

Hey everyone- what advice would you give to someone that is struggling to grasp conditional logic in a fast mechanistic way (what we need on the lsat) . I’m thinking of grabbing all the indicators and writing them out onto a sheet (I’ve written out notes on valid / in valid forms ) but it didn’t click. Review the cc ?

I have been studying for the LSAT for about 1month and 1 week. I have put in about 100 hours total so far for all the sections, but my logic games section is not improving at all. I have used my time thus far to go through the core curriculum so I have only spent about 20 hours probably all together doing logic games, but I feel very discouraged because everyone says they are the most learnable section and I can't figure out why I am having such difficulty. On my diagnostic I got 9 out of 23 questions in the logic games section, 7 out of 23 sections for the second practice test in the LG section, and 8 out of 23 in the LG section on the third practice test I just took today. Do you have any stories of major improvement on the logic games section or any tips? I plan to take the test on November 17 so I still have 4 months left to improve. I do pretty well on the other sections, but the logic games section significantly brings my score down. How long did it take you to improve your logic games section (if you weren't naturally great at it initially). I know it is going to take time, but I'm just worried. It would be nice to hear that someone improved significantly after struggling initially. Also, should I be taking practice tests every 2ish weeks if I haven't finished the core curriculum yet? Thank you.

Hi long time lurker and would really appreciate any perspective that people have!

I have been studying for a while now (took February, retaking in July so two weeks away now) and still am too slow on LG. I usually am ~1-3 minutes off target time especially on the harder games, which obviously adds up though with that extra time I am -0 to -3 on most games sections. LG is the only section where I continue to struggle with time.



Does anyone have any strategies on the question order you answer in, eliminating all answers versus trusting you have the right answer, looking for the right answer versus eliminating the wrong, or anything else that they have found saves them time?

Similarly, if anyone has advice on how to spend my last two weeks with LG drills that would be immensely appreciated as well. Given the limited time left, I am trying to figure out how to prioritize my studying/which games to work on, etc. I feel one of my continuing weaknesses is figuring out the game too late into the game, i.e. by the time I finish the game I have all the necessary inferences but I did not see them off the bat. I am fine to dedicate most of my study time to LG as I am consistently scoring where I would like on LR and feel like CR is a relatively futile studying situation for me.


Thank you so much in advance and please let me know if I can provide any further information.

Can anyone break this down?

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Hey all! I've seen a lot of questions about RC recently so I thought I'd share something I've noticed.

I've read, analyzed, and written quite a few papers and I've noticed that despite what it might feel like, RC passages do adhere to certain rules for good writing. More specifically, RC passages contain topic sentences!

Topic sentences are sentences, generally at the beginning of the paragraph, that outline the structure of the paragraph. They are kind of the "road map" or main point of the paragraph. The same can be said of the last or second-last sentence of a paragraph. The last sentence either serves as a summary of the paragraph or function as a transition to the next one.

The point is, I've found that (in the small sample size of RC passages I've tried this with) there's always one sentence in a paragraph - whether it's in the beginning, middle or end - that accurately states what the function or purpose of the paragraph is. Identifying that sentence is a good way of coming up with a low/high res summary. You can simply shorten it up or paraphrase it as your low res and add in the details to make it high res. By combining the topic statements for each of the paragraph's in a passage, you come up with a pretty good summary of the passage as a whole. This also allows you to keep your summary low-res and not get confused by all the details.

For example, "Some animals need human intervention to prevent a sharp decline in population. For example, foxes are the natural predators of a specific species of birds - ones that tend to subsist primarily on plants - despite the fact that these birds feast on plants that are sometimes toxic to the immune system of foxes. Foxes that consume these birds, and as a result are exposed to chemicals toxic to their immune system, become violently ill and in some cases, passed away. The foxes that do survive do not build a tolerance to the toxins nor do they alter their diets. Scientists have proposed a dramatic ...."

This was just something I made up but here the topic sentence is "some animals need human intervention to prevent a sharp decline in population." You can make it low-res by focusing on keywords like "some animals need human intervention" or "human intervention."

Let me know if this helps people out!

Hi guys, I'm just about done with the Core Curriculum (93%), and will be finishing it within the next few days. I am planning on taking the September LSAT, but I wanted to get some opinions. do you think after finishing the CC I should immediately take a diagnostic to see where I stand, or should I continue with the LR and LG drills assigned after the CC then go ahead and start taking tests? My goal is to just continue to take tests and strengthen my skills from now till September. I feel I understood LG and RC really well and did well on the problem sets, but the thing I struggled with the most was LR, and I obviously want to improve my speed and timing overall.

Thanks for your advice

Hi everyone,

I am done with core cirriculum and have taken 4 practice tests now (35-39) and have somehow managed a 158 on all 4 despite blind review on each. I have ample time to study, could I reasonably expect to get up to the mid to high 160s?

An idea just occurred to me about how to approach MP questions in RC. My accuracy in these Qs is about 80%, but obviously I'd like this higher, and it can still be a tricky question type for me (i.e, time sink). A strategy I started using in LR MP questions is if it's a tough one where two answers are nearly identical, I say to myself, "Which one could potentially support the other?" The one that could give support is not the answer. This usually works. I'm wondering if I could apply that same logic to RC questions. Are RC MP questions asking what is the conclusion? Is there a difference in this context between "Main Point" and "conclusion" (Which would mean that the main point, i.e, conclusion, would require the support of premises)? Anybody ever have the same approach? I'm going to start implementing it, but I figure I'd get some feedback. Happy studying!

I am not 100% on my understanding for why the answer is C. I selected B and the others were obvious to me. Could someone help explain or break it down for me? Thank you!

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