Hello, 7Sage!

So I just took the LSAT for the second time in June and got a 163. I took it the previous June and got a 159. I'm trying to stay positive about the improvement, but I was consistently scoring around 168 for the two weeks before my last test after 4 months of studying and working through the 7Sage basic curriculum - so I'm feeling like there is potential for improvement. BUT is it worth it to take the test for a third time? Does anyone know if the third attempt looks bad on an application, even if it is an improvement?

Thanks for the advice!!

Hey all, could anyone please help with finding grouping games wherein there are subcategories BUT we are not given which game piece belongs to which category and we are also not given the number of game pieces to be alloted to each group. For example - 3 groups - A, B and C, 7 game pieces, sub categories scientists and philosophers, atleast 2 scientists are there and maximum 3 people in group A, something of this sort.

I have been able to find grouping games with sub categories but the games do give which game piece falls in which category.

Similarly sequencing games with sub categories in which the game pieces are undefined with respect to their categories AND not all game pieces are to be sequenced, some are left out so there is a little subsidiary in out game going on as well.

Sorry if you were responding.

I might just be venting right now, but I can not for the life of me get LR down to 0 - 2 range. My brain just doesn't want to grasp it! The questions always seem to stump me in just the right way during timed sections and then when I see them again with time make 100% of sense. I sit down and right out why every answer is wrong and why one is right. I go back to the CC on how to approach different types, I do LR many, many many, times per week.

GAH.

Okay sorry, but for real its getting under my skin.

Fellow 7Sagers,

My current situation is the following: I score in the 171-177 range, and my most consistent scores lie between 172 and 174. The only reason I'm not scoring consistently in the high 170s is the RC section. I currently miss anywhere from 3 to 6 questions. My pacing strategy is good, so I'm not suffering from time issues. I usually do really well on 3 passages and miss a couple questions on one of the passages, which negatively impacts my raw score in the section. I'm interested in feedback from people who are currently scoring -0 - -2 on the RC section. Thank you.

I'm a bit bummed -- scored 2 points higher than where I was averaging my first few practice tests and 6 points under my average across my most recent 20 (in fact, the lowest of those by far). While it's a good score, after spending 3 months studying full time and $1000 on the course and study materials, a 2 point increase makes me nauseous to say the least. A big part of my score was RC, missed 7 right off the bat.

With my GPA, I don't have a shot at T-14 schools, so now I'm weighing my options. I could retake in September, but I feel like I've expended my study options. I used the Ultimate 7Sage pack, did most drills, completed the Core Curriculum, and did all of the PTs. I could study by retaking practice tests, but I worry it would not be very useful to do so, especially because I went over the questions I missed over and over again. I realize this score was a fluke compared to my trends, but I am not sure how I can keep my average up through September without new questions to work from.

Is it worth retaking? Part of me feels like it'll just be a waste of time and effort. Advice appreciated!

Winter is coming. And so are LSAT scores.

LSAC often gets them back before their expected release date, and given that the day before is a holiday, I wouldn't be surprised if we got those infamous emails from LSAC sometime this week. My bet is Friday. The night is dark and full of terrors! What is dead may never die. Unbowed, unbent, unbroken.

Hi,

I understand that answer choice D is correct, but I have been struggling for quite a bit on eliminating answer choice B. Can anyone explain why this is incorrect?

When I was doing this question, I noticed two errors in reasoning, notably: 1) concluding a "must" causation from what people believed, and 2) that evidence of "historians" were being used to lead to a conclusion of a matter of natural science (or physiology).

Answer choice B seems pretty much right on the spot with the second. B reads: it cites the evidence of historians of popular culture (that people had a widespread belief on yawning was common in many parts of the world in the past) in direct support of a claim (that someone else yawning must be the most irresistible cause) that lies outside their area of expertise.

I took it to be true that discerning the physiological causation mechanisms of yawning is indeed outside the area of history. What may have gone wrong? Thanks!

In levels of validity are the question types the same ?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-24-section-2-question-21/

Obvi not C, D, E.

Need help on making A and B distinct. Need a strategy on how to decode the false double negative on all LSAT wording. Need help on answering the question. Thanks

A. No effective law is unenforceable

B. All enforceable laws are effective

Does anyone have an educated guess as to what the curve possibly could be?

Hey guys! Here's the official June LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the June 2017 LSAT here!

Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the June '17 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC. Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.

If you're unsure what may be too specific, feel free to PM me with what you'd like to post.

The only exception is you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about June's LSAT!

Here's where you can see the current Real/Experimental Sections:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/11428/june-2017-lsat-real-experimental-sections-keywords

Have fun discussing!

Hi all, I am currently going through the CC, specifically the weakening questions. I have found that in many of these questions, identifying the conclusion seems pretty straightforward (thus, therefore), and even at the end of the paragraph. However, I keep thinking of MP and MSS questions, where conclusion indicators at the end are often traps for a sub-conclusion. What are your experiences with conclusion indicator traps? Do they typically just apply to MSS and MP, or should I continue to look for them, even in weakening and other LR questions?

So after 12 hours of going through my PT, BRing and reviewing each question i have located my weakness: seeing and diagramming logical chains in LR. I am getting tripped up with SA and Parallels . How did you guys get past seeing all the fluff and just seeing the logical structure? I cant seem to separate whats important for the logic? I know all the indicators and the theory behind parsing out sentences from JY. Anything specifically that helped you?

Hey everyone! Hope your LSAT studies are going well.

I am currently in the process of fool-proof drilling logic games (on PT 15), and usually set a timer upwards. Yet, I realize that I tend to go way over time for many of the games.

My question is should I start timing myself downwards using the suggested time as a limit. Or would it be better to keep timing myself upwards to see my natural pace.

Thank you.

I took PT 66 RC a week ago and got -16. Without BRing for it I retook it just now and ended up with -13. Not much difference! I had to skip the last passage AGAIN and got stuck between 2 answer choices in 10 questions. The ACs were much harder to eliminate and I felt I was in a foreign land of RC. I felt so lost and confused throughout the proces. I wanted to test whether it was a major burnout or RC got significantly harder for me and unfortunately it was the latter. In PT 62 I had a similar experience with -16. I scored -7 (PT65), -5(PT64), -9 (PT63) but WTH went wrong with those two...? I'm wondering if anyone had a similar experience... I am scared of taking PT 67 to experience another FALL. Really hoping this RC was harder for a lot of people. Any advice on how to BR this PT RIGHT would be much appreciated. HELP ME.

In my drills (20's to 30's), I score -3/-4 for easier sections and -1/-2 for harder sections. What does this mean and has this happened to any of you? How do I overcome this?

Hi, I BR-ed this question, read the explanations from various websites and sources, and this question is still not making much sense to me.

The correct choice D has "probably" in it, which when negated is "not likely." Doesn't "not likely" still leave room for the support in the stimulus to stand? I know that it weakens the support, but is merely weakening it the same as being "necessary?"

If the AC had the word "some" instead of "probably," I would have chosen D in a heartbeat.

If negating the assumption still renders the support possible, I am wondering what makes it "necessary."

How is this AC different from, for example,

Stimulus: Kofi is a cat. Therefore, she is happy.

Here, an assumption "all cats are happy" would be an SA, but not a NA, because even if we were to negate "all cats are happy," we are left with "some cats are happy," which still makes the support plausible.

Here's my guess at the difference, but please critique me:

15 is directly targeting the author's interpretation (the conditional statement directly applies to the author's interpretation in this case)

However, in the above cat example, we wouldn't know if the particular cat "Kofi" would belong to the "some cats" group and therefore the effect of the negated assumption is unclear & doesn't weaken?

If that is the case, if answer choice D were to be worded as "Behaviors common to people of widely disparate culture probably have genetic predisposition to those behaviors" also be necessary? why or why not?

I would really appreciate any advice!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-68-section-2-question-15/

So i see that some LR Qs will say if .A. it is likely that .B.

Is this conditional?

Hey! Can someone please help me with this one I'm really not sure why A is the right answer. It's funny when I took this test I got this question right (circled it because wasn't sure) but now not clear why it's right. Thanks so much!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-1-question-17/

JY talks about how these are freebies but i am really struggling with them. And i dont think its an issue in my understanding of logic

In the Question Bank and in the LR Drill Sets (https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/lr-drills-preptest-01-to-09/ ), PT8.S4.Q21. is categorized as a Sufficient Assumption question.

But the question stem says "For the claim that.... to be properly drawn on the basis of the evidence cited, which one of the following must be assumed?" so I think this is a Necessary Assumption question. Also, the correct answer (A) is an assumption that is necessary (not sufficient). If this were a SA question, (E) would be correct since it shows a sufficient assumption.

Can everyone confirm that this is mislabeled as a Sufficient Assumption?

Does anyone have an attack strategy for these questions? I get bogged down every single time. So irritating!

Hi All,

So I made flashcards for Logical Indicators and Argument Part Indicators and used the Leitner system; but the argument forms aren't all named so I'm not sure how to make them into flashcards or generally memorize them other than stare at them a bunch. Has anyone had any success with memorizing these?

The first few nights after sitting for the LSAT, I dreamed of having absolutely bombed the exam. But my dreams more recently have been even worse. These days I dream that I got a super high score (last night a 179) and then as I start telling my family, I say to myself..."or did I dream that score last night?" Then I realize I didn't actually get my score back yet and I wake up in a panic. Has this happened to anyone else?