Correct me if I am wrong in my explanation.

*The kind of question this is:* Weaken

*Paraphrased question:* CARL: Legally, researchers who preform experiments on animals are required to complete detailed pain protocols indicating whether the animals will be at risk pain. Yet, when humans undergo operations, operators/doctors are not required to complete detailed pain protocols for humans.

DEBBIE: A person undergoing surgery can be told what pain they will be going through, so there is no need for a complete detailed pain protocols for humans.

*What I am looking for:* Not sure yet, but something that has to do with Debbie’s conclusion about there is no need for a complete detailed pain protocol for humans.

*Answer A:* No. That's irrelevant to what Debbie is saying. It might be true, but not what we are looking for.

*Answer B:* No. I’m sure that might be true, but does not weaken Debbie’s conclusion.

*Answer C:* No, I’m sure it’s not hard, but we are contesting whether it is necessary to have pain protocols in the first place.

*Answer D:* Yes, infants have no way of understanding pain, so complete detailed pain protocols for humans would be good.

*Answer E:* No, this has nothing to do with Debbie’s argument. Unalleviated pain after the operation is different than what pain the operation itself would cause. Whether or not to go with the operation, due to the pain it may cause without proper acknowledgement and understanding about the pain, is what is being contested here. Carl says we should have complete detailed pain protocols for animals, and Debbie says we don’t need one because humans can be told by a doctor what pain they will be going through.

Hey 7Sage, I'm having the toughest time understanding why Answer B is the correct answer for this question. In reviewing my original answer choice, D, I can understand why I was incorrect in choosing it, but am caught up between answer choices B and C. Why is B correct as opposed to C? Any feedback is appreciated!

I still don't see how B is the basis for disagreement. Otis would definitely say "yes" to answer choice B, but in my mind, Tyra gives no opinion or "yes" as well. Tyra explicitly says that she accepts Aritisotle's principle of justice, so how would she disagree with answer choice B? Where does Tyra comment on the fact that the situations aren't relevantly similar?

I eliminate B and chose D (which I really didn't like since the passage didn't talk about "asking" nor that dentists should always accept after hours appointments; why can't they accept no after hours appointments?). I just couldn't get myself to choose B.

Hi everyone, Just curious how everyone is doing the problem sets. I am reluctant to actually mark up the preptests used for the problem sets as I don't want to ruin them to use as preptests. How are you guys doing this? I can see that it is slowing me down by not writing on them (taking notes & marking the premise and conclusion) because I find myself having to go back and re-read and trying to memorize more instead. How are you guys doing this? Are you making notes on a separate piece of paper or something?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-55-section-1-question-21/

The principle I thought was

Premise: Not buy-> cancel

Conclusion: feel worth preserving-> buy.

So the gap is feel worth preserving-> NOT cancel

So that's why I chose D. But the answer is B. And I can't still find out why D is wrong and B is an answer.

Am I missing something?

Please someone explain me why D is incorrect and B is an right.

Oh and what's the differences between A and B? (They look almost identical to me.)

Thanks!

I really don't understand why C is incorrect.

I think "there is another explanation~~" can match "since parthenogenesis is~" part in the stimulus.

Why is C incorrect and A an answer?

Please someone explain me.

Thanks!

I really don't understand why D is incorrect and B has to be an answer.

Some explanations said D is too broad, but I don't see how it's too broad.

I think "in the same industry" can match fax industry so that I think D is correct.

Why is D incorrect and B an answer?

Please someone explain me.

Thanks!

Hi all, I took a non disclosed test in Asia and the proctor told me they have to mail it to LSAC. Is there any way in our LSAC accounts to tell that they have received our test back from the test site and that it's pending score release? Out mail system sucks here so as if I didn't have enough stress, now I'm hoping the mailman doesn't lose it. LOL

So I did about 8 games today and maybe 3-4 I made the dumbest mistakes and didn't catch them until AC just weren't working right for me. Each time I noticed that a rule would say something like P is in the same group as S. W and Y cannot be in the same group as G, but I'll actually write a completely different letter that's sometimes not even part of the game! Or I'm reading W but I'll write with complete confidence Y. Like wth!! I'm not even burned out. I took a break Saturday and Sunday. I noticed I kept doing the same crap so I was more focused on reading the rules the next time around. The rule said must and I swear I read can't, or vice versa!!! What in the world is happening here??!

ive been studying lsat for a year already (approximately 1-2 hrs a day). My initial pt score is 153, and after 3-4 months I got around 160. However the score just doesn't go up anymore. I about to take the test on dec. 6th so I have literally 2 months left. My target in dec is 165+. Is that reasonable?

I just purchased this course 5 days ago and I found this course really useful but, I've already wasted all the pts (40-75). So I don't know how to follow the schedule of this course in a smarter way in this case.

I quit my job few days ago so now I have 8 hrs ago (!!!)

Anybody who got similar experience or anybody who has any idea about what should I do now?

I'm about to enroll in 7Sage and I've been going through the free-trial as of now, however I’m a bit confused on the phase 2 part of the Memory Method - do you do it again with the same passage immediately after you finished going through all the questions for that passage using the phase 1 technique?

Or is it like so:

Passage 1: Phase 1 technique

Passage 2: Phase 2 technique

Passage 3: Phase 1 technique

Passage 4: Phase 2 technique

Then come back and re-do all of them using only the Phase 2 technique?

Because if we do a passage once then go right back to it with the second phase method, wouldn’t we memorize a lot of the details/answers unless there’s a certain amount of time you recommend to wait before doing the second phase?

Thanks.

I had a hard time with this question. What tripped me up was the year/5,000/films/novels/other books. Can some one clarify step by step how to solve this question?

LSAT Prep Test 32

October, 2000

Section 3, Questions 19-24

Game 4

2nd Rule States That G Is In Slot 1, So G Cannot Be In Slot 7. Contrposite Is G In Slot 7, Then G Is Not In Slot 1.

Question: Why Is Not A Board With G In Slot 7, But Not In 1?

Without going into detail, whats the consensus on game 3? Difficult? Easy? Or just time sink?

Lots of people on the TLS forums giving conflicting accounts on it.

I have read, and re-read, Mike Kim's explanation on how to approach "Match the Flaw/ Parallel Flaw" questions, and I continue to not identify this correctly...

Any suggestions on how to approach these? I understand it is important to have a strong grasp of the flaw when you enter the questions, but I am consistently wrong in matching conclusions and supports...

Any tricks or obvious tactics would be so helpful!

How did you do it? I took my 4th timed PT today (pt51). So far LR is my favorite yet most frustrating section. I try to finish the first 15 in 15min, but I get bogged down doing the first 1-12. I didn't finish on time and ended up not answering about 3 questions.

I somewhat have the accuracy because although I barely manage to finish LR, I tend to get -3 or -4 wrong per section.

If you were in my position at one point in time, what did you do to get to a point where you are finishing early without suffering accuracy?

So I took the LSAT this past weekend and there were several procedural errors.

!) 2 students were admitted after the test books and answer sheets had been gicen out and after we had already bubbled in our names and wrote the statement. Nothing was reread to those who came in late.

2) The proctors forgot to tell us when 5 minutes were left for the first 2 sections

3) Because we weren't given the 5 minute warning for sections 1 and 2, one student requested if he could transfer answers from his test book to his answer sheet during the break(apparently he likes to answer all the questions in the book and then go back and fill in the answer sheet, but was unable to do so because he wasn't given the warning) SO DURING THE BREAK THE PROCTOR GAVE HIM HIS TEST BOOK AND ANSWER SHEET AND LET HIM WORK ON IT FOR ALMOST 10 MINUTES

4)Several people brought phones which were confiscated. However the phones were not turned off and several times they went off with emergency alerts( Took the test in Carolinas where it is flooding)

Hi all! :) I am writing this with shoulders free from the heavy panic I was feeling 4 days ago as I frantically tried to shove 5 PT's a week into the time before the October test. I have been familiar with LSAT training since May, forked up and used Kaplan, got the LSAT Trainer and found 7Sage and almost died of LSAT burnout/overdose. Now, I'm finding that I have about 10 extra weeks. I've done a lot of PT's, but haven't blind reviewed but 3, as I discovered 7Sage and JY's methods a few weeks ago. With that said, I want to make the most out of the extra time I've granted myself, and I don't want to run through 60-75, as I know those are extremely important PT's. Doing 3 PT's/week makes me done with those 15 in 5 weeks.... and that makes me nervous. Should I stick in other PT's between them, like the 30s or something?

How did anyone else do it/how are you guys prepping for the Dec. test?

1. Is there a limit to the number of pencils we can bring to the testing center or have on our desk during the test?

My mom gave me a weird look as I sharpened my ~20 pencils and I double-checked the guidelines which say we "must bring... (3) three or four sharpened No. 2 or HB pencils, with good erasers." I take it that this doesn't mean that we can ONLY bring 3/4?

2. Does chapstick count as a "medical product"? :P

Seriously though, I'm kind of addicted to it. I jokingly say that my greatest LSAT success wasn't (finally) getting -0 on Logic Games or (finally) breaking 170, but rather managing to go an entire section without putting on chapstick. I can definitely live without it tomorrow, but it'd be nice to have it on me...just in case.

Like I said, these are dumb questions and I'm not stressing over them. But it'd be nice to know now vs. tomorrow.

Thanks and good luck everyone!

Hello 7Sage!

I have run into a problem. Between Feb 2015 and June 2015 I did every preptest, except for 72, 73, and 74. Since June, in preparation for October, I have already done 72 and 73, and have only 74 left. My problem is that I think that RC is the least-repeatable section on the test, and now I am left with nothing else to practice my RC skills with.

Any advice on anything else that I can use to practice? Is there another test that has similar RC passages? Any nonfiction material? Part of the problem is how distinctively logical LSAT materials are. Even things like The Economist don't feel similar to me.

Thanks!

Can someone please explain this question.

admin note: please don't post full questions on the forums!

Hey 7sagers, long-time lurker, first-time poster. Always appreciated the honest feedback and support I see on this site.

Long story short: I took the test for the second time on Saturday after getting just below 170 on my first take. I nailed the experimental LG but took too long on game 2 of the real LG and it threw off the rest of the section; I remember having to straight up guess on ~1-4 questions and "educated guess" (down to a couple answer choices) on ~3-5. My memory's honestly super vague on exactly what happened. It sucks because I legitimately thought I killed the rest of the test.

My question: what do I do? I'm aiming for a 175+ and after all the practice I did, I was very confident going in (was scoring around there on PTs and killing LG). It's my second take, so the serious options seem to be keep -> see what I get -> retake a third time if necessary, or cancel -> retake a third time. I'm just not sure which option looks better / is better, and still a little foggy-headed from what happened.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Hello J.Y.,

I want to start by saying that you are absolutely amazing. Your methods for solving logic games are the most efficient out of any class/tutors that I'v encountered, your logical reasoning techniques are unmatched, and you have a great method to attack reading comp while most LSAT prep out there hardly even mentions it (implicating that your reading comp score is what it is). That being said, I just recently took the October LSAT. I purchased your prep course about 4 months before the test and was only able to complete about 70% of it, I really did do the best I possibly could. However, I actually went into the test feeling rather confident about my abilities, I had scored in the high 150s to low 160s on some previous prep tests but for some reason I would have a lingering prep test here and there that I would absolutely bomb, horribly. Im talking like scoring 15 or so points lower than my average score. So although I was scoring decently high on practice tests prior to the October LSAT, I still was rather nervous about the possibility that I would have one of "those" bad scores on the real test day. Anyways long story short my fear came true and I was not even half way through logic games when the proctor announced "there are 5 minutes remaining" (major bummer). So I am taking it again in December. I have simply put too much time and wasted too much energy to just give up on this now, and honestly I feel like I have way too good of an understanding of the test to accept a score that is as low as the score I probably got yesterday! I want to study for the next two months or so before the December LSAT, I will do whatever it takes to succeed on this test, I am not a quitter. Like I said, I have completed between 60% and 70% of your course, taken about 10 prep tests, and tried my best to blind review exactly as you instructed. I have also read the entire book and done all the homework for the LSAT Trainer. My question is, given the amount of prep I have already done, what do you think is the best course of action to best prepare me for the December LSAT in a couple months? I would really appreciate any advice you can give me!

Thanks,

Doug G.

Just took the nondisclosed test overseas. Had LG as experimental. Trying to sort which games was real. Anyone else take nondisclosed version? Thanks :)

There it was, staring back at me, a giant albatross of a mistake. As I confidently marked down the final LG answer as time expired, I look and realize, I'm marking bubble on row 24. This section only had 23 questions. Where did I go wrong? Did I skip a line? No. Did I double up? What happened?

And thus ended my chances at enjoying the possible post-LSAT high. Months and months of work and studying and prepping and a Scantron is going to be my doom.

See you all again next year.