Which one do you guys look at, US News? There's that other site, "law-schools.startclass.com".

What are you looking at to decide which is best, bar passage rate? or employment rate?

Also, I've been offered some scholarships to local and lower ranked schools. They are not in the region that i want to live. How hard is it to move right after going to law school? Or is it a better choice to forfeit the scholarships and go to the higher-ranked schools in the State that I want to move? PS. my tuition is paid by the VA so the scholarship money would be extra money.

Seriously. This was my 3rd take and I really messed up on LG. I was rushing through it and was making things overly difficult. I usually will get -1 or -2 on LG and I honestly feel like I got -10 or something. I'm thinking of cancelling but I just am secretly hoping I somehow pull through and get 160+. I've already submitted my application but haven't heard anything back yet. My GPA sucks so I was really banking on the LSAT. I feel like no matter how much I practice, I get there on test day and do something stupid.

Also, I took my first LSAT in February 2016, so if I did need a retake, does this mean Feb 2018 is my closest date?

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Any of you who didn't have 3 LR sections remember a question that was about young parents posting photos of their babies on social media? Thank you!

I look forward to commiserating with you later today!

So I took the test today and my clumsy self accidentally ripped the side of the answer sheet. It wasn't a big tear and it was not directly on the section answers bubbles. I asked the proctors and they said it was fine. I am worried because I am under the impression that LSAC scores the test via one of those score machines that requires you to insert the answer sheet in and since mine was partially damaged, it won't be scored :( Am I being paranoid right now?

I started experiencing some nausea and other issues from inner-ear problems about a week ago. I thought I was well enough to take the LSAT since my symptoms were pretty mild except in the evenings, but after adding in test-day nerves I was pretty sick by the time the test started. I ended up leaving briefly to throw up during one section, so I didn't finish it. I had 2 LG sections - one I felt really good about (finished with time to spare and was confident in my answers) and the other I tanked (answered the first game and felt confident, but guessed on almost all the others). The harder LG was the last section, by which time I was pretty brain dead and flustered from having left during the test to vomit... I just found out from the Feb 17 LSAT discussion board that my bad section was the real one and not the experimental...

Should I cancel my score or wait and see if I scrape a good enough score to apply to back up schools while I wait for the June LSAT? Which would be worse - a canceled score or bad score with an addendum that I was ill on test day?

I had LG(exp)-LR-RC-LG-LR

The first LG section, which is confirmed to be an experimental one, was extremely hard for me, so I had to guess the last 10 questions. Since my goal is to get >170, guessing these questions made me panic and forget to think that this could be an experimental section. As a result, I immediately gave up, only thinking about cancelling the score, and I just stared at the second section for the first 10 minutes or so. However, after I got to myself and started to solve, I realized that this section was easier than I thought, but because I just stared at it for the first 10 minutes, I could not finish about 10 questions. Even worse, I found the rest of the test to be relatively easy (compared to what I have been practicing/solving), and it was too late when I finally realized that the first section could be an experimental section (which is confirmed to be).

I don't know how to end this since I am just writing this down as I think, but I could have achieved my goal today only if I did not immediately give up....

Can someone please confirm that G2 was silver/gold and G3 was the 12-week game? Thanks in advance!

Hi, I wanted to check out some of the live RC passages that JY does for PT5 and 6 but I can't seem to find them. Are they not included in the starter package? Thank you!

While mapping out my study plans for the LSAT I read somewhere that reading The Economist and the New Republic were good supplementary materials to prep materials. I read both diligently but I saw even more RC improvement once I started incorporating the New Yorker into my study plan. Their articles are very dense and it can be difficult to keep the information straight. Really forces you to concentrate on what you're reading. Another added benefit is their articles run the spectrum of subjects - could be pop culture, politics, history or science. This was tremendously helpful to me and I hope it helps someone else.

Does anyone know how much PT 76-79 differ compared to the rest of the PTs that are available?

Hi Everyone,

I apologize if this discussion distracts someone studying the LSAT and I seriously need to apologize since I posted this discussion before and I just did a minor edition to it. I currently got into BU law, Emory Law, Georgewashington Law, and william and mary law (receive scholarship from all of them). When I limited my choice to GW and BU (incline to BU), an offer from Vanderbilt Law School kinda ruined my decision. Is it true that ranking does not matter if law school is not T14? I want to practice corporate law in Northeast area such as NY, MA (might be DC if possible). As an international student, I really cared about if I can get a job. Now it is GW, BU, or Vandy. 7sagers, what do you think? Thank you so much for whoever has left their comment down here!!

This could be anything from the subtle way an assumption is introduced in the stimulus to a misleading QS. I'll give two:

The Bait 'n Switch assumption. Most of the stimulus/premises will be talking about A, but the conclusion is B or AB (overreaching conclusion). https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-33-section-3-question-24/

The Extra Baggage Dual Speaker. Many times when there is a dual speaker, you are asked to consider both speakers to solve the question like "How do they agree or disagree" or "what is Bob's best response". But sometimes, not only is it unecessary to read the second speaker, but it may actually obfuscate your task. In this case they may give you two speakers but ask you to strengthen/weaken the first speaker's argument... no need for the second speaker at all! https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-28-section-3-question-06/

While I am caveating this with the proviso that there is no true replacement for FoolProofing every single Logic Game, the question is still valuable.

Is it possible to attain the general skills you need for ALL logic games by focusing only on the very hardest games? i.e., in mastering only the hardest games, are you in effect mastering all concepts featured in the easier ones? The below are listed on LSAT Blog as the ten hardest games:

PrepTest 23 (October 1997), Game 2 - Applicants being interviewed and hired (Combination: Grouping: Selection and Grouping: Splitting)

PrepTest 24 (December 1997), Game 3 - Juarez and Rosenberg review introductory and advanced textbooks

PrepTest 25 (June 1998), Game 2 - Tourists and Guides (Grouping: Matching)

PrepTest 27 (December 1998), Game 2 - Lizards and snakes in a reptile house (Combination: Linear and Grouping: Matching)

PrepTest 31 (June 2000), Game 2 - Music store's new and used CDs (Grouping: Selection / In and Out)

PrepTest 33 (December 2000), Game 3 - Stones: rubies, sapphires, topazes (Grouping: Selection / In and Out)

PrepTest 34 (June 2001), Game 4 - Randsborough/Souderton Clinics (Grouping: Splitting)

PrepTest 36 (December 2001), Game 3 - Window and aisle seats on a bus (Advanced Linear)

PrepTest 40 (June 2003), Game 3 - Flight connections on Zephyr Airlines: Honolulu, Montreal, Philadelphia, Toronto, Vancouver (Grouping: Mapping)

PrepTest 57 (June 2009), Game 3 - Dinosaurs: iguanadon, lambeosaur, plateosaur, stegosaur, tyrannosaur, ultrasaur, velociraptor and Colors: green, mauve, red, yellow (Combination of Grouping: Selection / In-and-Out and Grouping: Matching)

If I fully mastered these (getting them to well below JY's target time, missing zero, all inferences made from memory), would that suffice for LG mastery?

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So here's a general question for anyone who's ever had this awful experience...It appears I'm going to be sick on the day of the February LSATs after having the flu on the day I had to take the December ones. ( I think I tempted fate by loudly announcing to the universe, "oh well, at least I know I won't get sick again for the February LSATs, haha" after taking the first ones). The first time I didn't take any meds (because I didn't want to further dull my thinking), didn't touch or breathe on anyone, and just tried to muscle through. This time, all I appear to have is a cold, but I'm wondering if you all know of any cough/cold meds that you can take that won't make you drowsy or dull your thinking at all. Has anyone been in this position before? Did you have suggestions for how to get through this? I got through a test with a flu without it too much affecting my score (just a 165, but it's not the best I can do by a longshot) so a cold should be easy. But I just don't want to take anything that's going to put me out of it.

Cheers and good luck tomorrow!

It feels great to eliminate all incorrect AC and pick out the correct AC, not only out of POE but because I've uncovered the reasoning for its correctness. But that kind of time is a luxury of prep and not available on test day. I know that I will need to bank time in order to finish the sections. The banked time will come from things like picking out an assumption and prephrasing the answer or guessing between two possibilities and unemotionally moving on to the next question.

But at what point in the prep should we include those sort of strategies?

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Okay, so here's my story, it's long, so bear with me.

In November 2015, I applied for September 2016 admission. I hadn't touched the LSAT yet and I tried to study; however, I quickly realized it was too difficult as I was also in my final year of school (fifth year) and working a fairly demanding job on my days off. I had registered for the December LSAT but I withdrew prior to writing it as I knew nothing about the LSAT at this point. By February 2016 (the last accepted LSAT for the 2016 cycle), I realized it was better to take a year off and study for the LSAT properly. To be honest, applying during this cycle was a complete waste; however, at the time, I did not realize what the LSAT entailed and was told an anecdote where a girl studied for 6 weeks and got accepted, so I was basing my studying on 6 weeks.

I finished school in April 2016 and did not start studying right away because I had just completed my undergraduate and wanted some time off. Around June, I started studying using the Powerscore books, with the intention of writing the October LSAT. However, the week of the LSAT, I still did not feel prepared enough and I also did not really think I was benefiting from the Powerscore books as much as I could have, so the week of the October LSAT, I joined 7Sage (LSAT Premium). In the meantime, I applied for admission to the September 2017 cycle.

I enrolled for the December 2016 LSAT but the day before I realized I was still not ready (I had not even finished the core curriculum of 7sage at this point), and I withdrew. One of my friends ended up having a disturbance during their LSAT, which essentially wasted a take for her. As I only withdrew the day before the LSAT, I actually didn't tell my family and went to the test centre and wrote a PT instead that day in the library of the college I was supposed to be writing in. I also upgraded to LSAT Ultimate+.

Fast forward to today, I have improved a great deal (thanks to 7sage!!!) but I still do not feel completely ready. The first time I kind of rushed through the curriculum but now I have been going through the curriculum more slowly, as a result, I have not finished the Ultimate+, though I have finished the Premium Level. I went from a 147 LSAT in June to 161 on Test 64 two weeks ago. However, that is the only test I wrote where I scored in the 160s so far (I have not written any other PT since). Also, knowing the February LSAT is undisclosed also makes me slightly apprehensive because I won't be able to check my answers.

I know I can do better if I continue to study the way I have been studying now but I also don't know if I should waste another cycle and I feel like the girl who cried wolf in a sense that I always withdraw from my LSAT before I have written it, citing the need for more time. However, I would always apply for these tests prematurely, without actually being ready.

So, should I withdraw from tomorrow's LSAT or should I just write it? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

So yesterday I received an acceptance notification from UChicago and a denial from The University of Michigan. By all accounts, Chicago is a much better law school so how was I outright denied by U-M but accepted by Chicago?

Hi everyone,

It's my first time posting, but I'd love some insight on my resume. I don't have any friends in law school, and I've been out of undergrad for almost two years now, so any advice would be great. Basically, I graduated from a good university with a bachelor's degree in music performance. I had a high GPA, but aside from music courses in history/theory/performance, all my other courses were in language (I wasn't thinking about law school then, and foreign language study + classical music made sense...). I mean, I think I've accomplished a good amount in the classical music community, but that isn't exactly related to law. After I graduated, I spent a year waitressing, and now, in my second year, I work part-time in retail, do music gigs and teaching, and regularly volunteer with a non-profit in my state. I may have the opportunity to start volunteering with my state's legal aid soon, but I'm basically worried that my resume is too weak. Will a high GPA/LSAT score make up for this? I haven't officially taken the LSAT yet, but like everyone, I would want to score at least 170. Am I worrying too much?

Thanks in advance!!

i can't be the only one who can't remember.

Hi Guys,

I am having some trouble right now with LSATs/admissions, and since I've found this community to be overwhelmingly kind and wise, I thought I would give it a shot. For reference, I am shooting for the T-14 (my undergrad GPA is within those ranges).

Basically, I've had a loooong relationship with the LSAT. Made every rookie mistake in the book. I graduated last June, and I first took an LSAT prep course the summer before my senior year. I went from a 150 to a 160, and thought I could get 173+ by the start of the school year. Obviously that didn't happen, and my entire last year of college was a whole slew of panicked withdrawals and parental pressure, which even resulted in an absence on one of the exams because I didn't withdraw on time.

Thankfully, the gravity of that mistake shocked me out of my cycle. I decided to focus on school, then pick it up again from graduation up until this past September exam. Having finished the curriculum and not discovered 7Sage yet, I studied COMPLETELY the wrong way. My instructor was well-meaning, but he was one of those "unicorns" of the LSAT world - went from a 150 to a 177 in 2 weeks, with a vacation to Mexico in between. (Lol I can't make that up.) He told us the best way to prepare was to drill question types for months and then take practice tests right before. Unfortunately, I still let pressures of friends/family get to me and sat for this past September exam, which I ended up cancelling.

That was kind of the final "shock to the system" I needed and I realized I want to finally do it right this time: PT and BR'ing, not registering until I'm ready, etc. Sure enough, it was working. Then, unexpectedly, I had to get pretty major surgery, which took quite a while to recover from. I have still managed to keep my score from slipping, and now that I'm finally doing a lot better it's on the rise again. I plan to sit for June or September, and am currently PT'ing solidly in the mid 160's (with about 10 PT's down).

However, it has now technically been over half a year (almost 8 months, yikes) since I've graduated, and I've been unemployed the entire time. The resume gap is extremely nerve-wracking, but I also know I can't afford losing focus - especially with an absence AND cancel on my record (also extremely nerve-wracking). Would part time be an option? Does such a big gap already drastically lower my chances of admission to a top school? I am determined to not make any more big mistakes this time around... any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I didn't spend much time on RC in previously preparation. I'm aiming at June LSAT. I commonly get incorrect 2-3 per passage. I wonder if I need to do each passage under 8 minutes from the early PTs and timed RC section from PT30. Any advice would be appreciated.

Hello,

I may put my working period or time wrongly...

For example,

worked at X from April 2011 to April 2013

worked at Y from April 2009 to March 2013. (supposed to be March "2011")

And I put different working hours on resume and the lsac online page, I only put the official hours on lsac form but on my resume I included hours that is not officially assignedtoo so longer...

This kind of mistake...

Should I email them and let them know if I mis-wrote any info? Would it look bad?

Really...I don't know why I did this.

When should we contact them?

To everyone writing on Saturday let this be your motto! I was granted accommodations and will be writing on Sunday (superbowl Sunday like come on LSAT REALLY), jk I'm really fortunate that they were so accommodating! I wrote in December so for the newbees, make sure you chill out all day tomorrow and mentally prepare yourself, do NOT DO ANYTHING CRAZY! Also need some advice from you guys...should I refrain from checking the forum before Sunday? I know we are allowed to discuss very few things after the exam, but in December I was obsessively checking the thread on Saturday evening and it helped to hear I wasn't the only one who struggled with the games etc. Since I am writing it a day late I don't know if it would be the smartest idea to psych myself out beforehand by reading anything about it. Let me know what you think! WE ARE GOING TO DO AWESOME! It's really not as scary as it seems.