Due to the recent elimination of the 3 take limit, I have been considering the possibility of retaking. However, I'm not exactly sure where to start as I have already studied the LSATs for over 2 years, pretty much took all the exams and went through curriculum and have taken the exam three times. My highest fresh non-official takes were a 163 and a 166, but my highest official take was a 160. Starting from a 140 diagnostic, I do understand that I made substantial progress but I would at least like to be able to score closer to the higher end of my score band or perhaps score into the high 160s or low 170s. How should my study plan look like? RC I have been underperforming on test days because I tend to freeze up on hard passages. LR is an inconsistent section for me as well and I have trouble on those harder flaw questions that don't follow a cookiercutter flaw. FInally for LG, I tend to struggle with sections that have those medium level games that require you to brute force

Took a very niave PT back in Dec. Scored a 153. Then decided to start 7sage two weeks ago (studying for Dec. 2017). Took June 2007 and scored an actual score of 160. Blind Review-ed even higher! I'm sure this is a fluke because I can't believe I saw this big of an improvement after just two weeks of the CC! Thanks - y'all are inspirational! What's your largest jump?

I am a veteran, and I received 18 total credits for my time served. On my transcript they show up as "TR". They do count toward my undergrad degree, but obviously there is no GPA associated. They aren't from another school so I can't just ask someone for a transcript. I guess my question is, are these credits just not counted?

Hi all,

(Background Info) I was originally going to sit for the June LSAT, allowing me (hopefully) ample time to perfect my applications to apply early cycle next fall. However, the semester and work got in the way and I did not want to sacrifice my grades to simply devote more time to studying LSAT when the LSAT can always be postponed. Thus, now taking in September. Being as that I plan to apply early cycle, can any fall LSAT takers share some advise on how they balanced both of these goals to crush the LSAT and also produce an awesome application? Please note that I work T-F 8-5 at a law firm as a legal assistant. FWIW, I have my past

Criminal Law professor that specifically offered to write me a LOR and am close with my Faculty Advisor who I plan to ask to write me a LOR. I also plan to ask one of the partners at the firm I work for to write me a LOR and have a great relationship with all of them.

Also, can someone please let me know if the following are considered medium/good/great softs? I am not sure how to accurately assess where I am on the soft scale.

Thank you in advance!! :)

I have an issue with the harder flaw reasoning questions. 99 times out of 100 i can point out the flaw. Hell i can make a stand up comedy routine about how stupid you are for coming up with your conclusion with the flawed reasoning in the stimulus. my issue is pinning down the abstract language that exists in the answer choices. I get them wrong like half the time. I am the Tom cat and the LSAT makers are Jerry mouse in this scenario. Im getting got way too often. 50 percent of the hard flaw questions i get wrong. And when i watch the explanations, my flaws are right, i just can't pin down the abstract language down. (random example. PT 41 section 3 question 20)

Has anyone else struggled with this and how did you really get better at this? I of course do BR and mark down the questions and refer back to them. I just feel like theres an infinite amount of ways for them to be so convoluted and vague and subtle with the right answer. I have a positive attitude when i come up short on other questions but its hard to not get frustrated when i miss those questions specifically. Its like I'm getting beat by the same move and it huuuuurrtttss.

I know i have to keep practicing. Im not taking the LSAT until September and i hover around the low to mid 160's on my PT's. sort of just wanted to vent on the forum, sort of want to see if this is a problem anyone else has and if theres hope and what they did to master this.

I've been scoring consistently in the high 160's and low 170's for a while now but my latest score on my last prep test was 160 and I took prep test 60 today and scored 155. I'm feeling pretty discouraged right now especially with the June LSAT coming up in a couple weeks. I'm finding the simplest of questions really hard and I have to reread the LR stimulus a couple times to understand it. My mind is cloudy and I can't concentrate fully on the exam. Would this be considered burn out? I would feel guilty taking time off for a couple days when it's so close to the test date. Any advice please?

I'm in the middle of PTing for the September LSAT. My target goal is 175. I'm currently in the upper 150s-mid 160s in terms of PTing. I also work full-time, so it's harder to get my PTs in on most days. I'm going to explain my strategy now and ask for some tips/feedback:

What happens is that I usually end up exhausted. Ramadan is also coming up, so I'm worried about becoming even more tired with the fasting component. I most likely will not be working out during Ramadan.

What do you guys think? What PTs should I focus on more? What resources should I tap into? Anything wrong with my method? What would you add/improve/take away? etc. I'm looking for any kind of feedback really. Is my target score feasible within that time? I'm aiming for T14 schools.

Did anyone take notes for @"Cant Get Right"'s webinar about what to do after you finish the CC? I'm just finishing going through the CC again and want to begin taking PTs soon, but I really wanted to follow the "phases" of study outlined in this webinar. Unfortunately, it's not up in the webinar section and I forgot to take notes when I attended :(

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So during my first time studying for the LSAT, I took 2 PT's in preperation (64 and 66); both were about a year ago. Now that I'm slowly entering the PT phase, how inflated would my score be if I took them later on in the process? I never did a comprehensive review of them (I had no idea what I was doing lol) so I don't know how much I will remember them.

Thoughts?

I'm taking the September 2017 LSAT and I'm looking for a study partner. I work downtown, but I live in Toluca Lake/NoHo.

I think there should be...or it could be this. Just wondering though.

For my most recent PTs, I scored 159-167-159-167-157. I am frustrated at the huge fluctuations in my scores and starting to feel burnt out. I am planning to take the September test. I have studied for the LSAT with a full time job that usually takes around 45-60 hours depending on the week.

I have been studying for the LSAT for around 1.5 years now, with a 3 month break in between moving overseas. I started at a 146 diagnostic, and finished the 7sage Curriculum around last July/August. Long story short, after moving overseas, I made the decision to take a Princeton Review course class on site hoping to review the fundamentals again and taking some PTs on site (not sure if this was a good decision...) During the several PTs I took at the Princeton Course, I realized my weakness was in Logic Games (-10) and LR (-8-10) and scored in a range of mid 50s.

After taking the two month course, I started drilling Logic Games for several weeks with a Games Packet from PT1-35 organized by game type and difficulty (did around 3 copies each or more, watching 7sage videos for each). After finishing Games, I did a question type drilling for LR on my own using a similar LR packet I received during the course (1-35). I felt comfortable to move onto PTing after these drills.

I took 16 PTs so far since late January starting with PT 44 and finished PT 61 today (I didn't start in late 30s because I had exposure to some late 30s during the Princeton course). With my work schedule, I did one timed PT on a weekend day and BRed throughout the week. By early March until late April, I pulled my score to a 160-163 range. Then this month, after scoring a 159, I had the fluctuation between 159-167. Ever since starting BE, my BR score has been in the 168-174 range. The reasons for my most recent drops to 159/157 have usually resulted from a drop in Games (-7 to -10, from my earlier ranges of -4 to -6 with sometimes -1,-2). My LR also fluctuates between -3 to -8. My 167s have been good luck with RC (-1), Games (-1/-2) and performing better than usual for LR (got -5/-2 compared to usual -5/-4 range). I might generally be scoring in the late 50s-early 60s range and just had good luck for the two 167s, but my BR scores have always been in the higher range. I BR all circled questions and am very diligent with the review.

At this point, I'm scared of using up more 60 PTs before moving onto the 70s if I'm having fluctuations like this. It's difficult to explain how I feel about Games - I felt much more confident back when I first started PTing after doing the month drilling, and I feel like my confidence got worst each month maybe psychologically zoning out from scoring bad a couple of times on the Games. Besides Games, my LR is usually pretty consistent within the -4/-5 range although I sometimes bomb it with a -8 on a section. I sometimes end up spending 8-9 minutes double checking the first game in the section, although when I do during Br, I finish a game usually within the suggested time frame. RC score mostly is -4~-6, but I sometimes got a -8 with a bad PT. I also get very nervous under time pressure in general which sometimes contributes to these low scores, and on top of that, I think burn out from my job might be an issue too (especially this month)

I'm not sure if I need to re-do the basic Game bundles again. I'm honestly not sure what I should be doing without doing any more PTs. I've tried doing 4-5 games for each game type from the Question Bank for the drilling, but not sure what would be best for game drilling and whether I should keep moving forward with the PTs after BRing or do some more basic Game/LR drills. Any advice on drilling and how to move forward with PTing (esp on whether I should re-do the basic PT 1-35 drills or focus on re-doing the PT 44-61 etc) would be helpful. Anything in all on how to close gap in actual/BR and work-studying balancing etc would be appreciated too.

Thank you!

Any thoughts or input on the best way to bubble? After every question, after every page, or after every two-page spread, or any others? I've tested out those three methods so far but so far none of them seem to be substantially better than the rest, because there seem to be different pros and cons for each.

I've also skimmed through the past discussions, but still can't make up my mind about it.

Also, my two cents: -after every question- feels ever so slightly less stressful, but -after every two-page spread- doesn't break rhythm/pace as much.

Thoughts? Thanks!

In the PT 50s I was solid -4/-5 on RC. On LR I was missing more than 6 per section.

I am wrapping up the 60s and I am now solid -2 to -4 on LR.

BUT NOW I AM -7/-8 on RC!!!

LG is stable ranging from -3 to -5.

If I can get my RC back to -4/-5, I will be able to score in the 166-168 range which is my goal.

Right now I've dropped to 163-165 :( Very Very Very down and disappointed...

Any suggestions on how to improve RC in the final stretch before the June LSAT?

Also, 7sage and LSAT Trainer strategies actually made me a worse RC test taker. I do much better when I stop over-thinking/analyzing and just read slowly and carefully while visualizing the passages. This can take 3-4 minutes for the passage but I do much better. Annotating via 7sage and LSAT Trainer suggestions just slows me down and ruins my flow. I am going to try the rest of the tests with my original strategy and ditch what I have learned. Anyone else have experience with this?

Thank you in advance!

For the RC section, would you advise to start timed like J.Y.s version or not timed and then after getting a handle of structure then start timing like J.Y.s? Thank you so much!!!!

I've taken a lot of the older PT's (around 25 of them) and have taken PT 70 and 71. I am only 4 points away from my target score (160) and need some advice. I have PT 72-80 remaining and want to make use of them before the June test. I have 23 days left. How should I split up the PT's so I can properly BR?

I got a 155 on PT 71 and am studying around 8-10 hours a day. I know burnout is possible but i'm seeing improvement and need to get to my target score before June. I know I'll do it, but I also wanted to ask what my chances are of actually hitting a 160 on PT.

Thanks

Fellow 7sagers,

I took LSAT in 2015 and scored 166. I decided not to apply that year because of some personal reasons. I am taking the test in September and will apply this cycle.

I am slowly going through CC right now (my school is on the quarter system) and getting most of the difficult LR problems right (I sometimes miss 1 out 5 on those level 5 questions).

I wonder how people blend in other LR materials (Manhattan LR and Trainer [I read older versions while preparing for the first time]). Do you read MLR and Trainer while going through CC?

Ideas and tips are highly appreciated!

Hi all, I usually wouldn't post on here for advice but I've had no luck talking with my school advisers, and I come from a family of farmers so they don't really know how to help me either.

Essentially, I currently have two choices/paths to take for graduation and attendance to law school, and I would like to hear some of y'alls input if possible. Many of you seem to be much more knowledgeable about the law school game than I am. Here's my situation:

I'm currently in my senior year of undergrad, studying a double major in Finance and Accounting. I currently maintain a 3.9 GPA (this becomes relevant later), and I have two choices for graduation, Spring 2018 or Fall 2017. Both have different advantages/shortcomings.

Spring: If I graduate in the Spring, I will be able to participate in a few programs at my school that I believe would improve my resume. First, I could write an 'Honors Thesis' and graduate with an honors degree. This would modify only one of my bachelors degrees. (i.e., I would have an Honors Finance degree and a regular Accounting degree, or vice versa). If I don't write the thesis, I will still complete an 'Honors Certificate'. In addition to this, I've also been given the opportunity to participate in a student lead investment fund at my school. This program is fairly competitive, and only 25-30 people are chosen each year to participate. As far as I am aware, the program is fairly prestigious as it is one of the largest student ran investment funds in the nation. The downside to this, is that the professor who runs the investment fund program is notorious for being a strict grader, and I know many very smart people who've had their GPA take a significant dip because of this program. I've calculated it out, and if I take the class I'll probably drop to a 3.85-3.87 GPA if I take this course (the professor basically does not award any As).

Fall: If I graduate fall semester, I will not be able to write a thesis or participate in the investment fund program. This will undoubtedly give me more time to study for the LSAT, as all of my fellow students say both programs require significant time investments. In addition to this, if I graduate a semester early I have the opportunity to apply for some scholarships to study abroad. I've studied Mandarin Chinese as a second language, and I hope to one day work in niche Corporate/Tax Law involving the U.S. and China. I've spoken to the directors of these scholarship opportunities, and I believe I have a good shot of being accepted into the program. If accepted, I would be able to spend about 7/8 months in China intensively studying the language. From my current level (HSK 5+), I believe I would be able to achieve my goal of being professionally/business proficient in the language at the end of this time period.

I'm really unsure about which path I ought to take, and I need to make a decision soon. If any of you have insight about how law school perceive these different opportunities, I would greatly appreciate it.

I'd like some advice for the inconsistent performance I'm seeing in my timed logic games sections. I can sometimes finish the entire section with a few minutes left over and get almost all the answers right, but other times, I'm very short on time, and can quite a few more wrong. Any insight into this discrepancy and how I can fix this?

PT9.S2.Q17 - Certain instruments

Since there is no video explanation for this question, I would appreciate it if someone could confirm my understanding below.

It took me so much time to figure out what the second sentence is saying :(

Second sentence

energy used to sterilize of a set of nylon instruments: SN

energy used to manufacture of a set of nylon instruments: MN

50 x SN = 3.4 x MN

SN = (3.4/50)MN

SN = 0.068 x MN

energy used to sterilize of a set of stainless steel instruments: SS

energy used to manufacture of a set of stainless steel instruments: MS

50 x SS = 2.1 x MS

SS = (2.1/50)MS

SS = 0.042 x MS

Answer choice

(B) is the correct answer (MBF) because SN has to be less than MN. SN = 0.068MN

(A), (C) - (E) could all be true.

I'd say I'm pretty darn familiar with the 19 common types of flaws. However, I feel like I've never seen a circular reasoning flaw actually on a PT. Sometimes I second guess myself on a tricky flaw question when it's in the AC's. Anyway, would love it if anyone has come across one of these flaws in their recent PT's?

I'm into the high 60's series, so hopefully I haven't been oblivious to them all this time. But I do think they are a rarer flaw.

So I finally got through the BR and got my results:

Actual: 148

BR: 158

I'm definitely encouraged by the BR. I have come quite far from where I was 8 months ago (sub-150) when I was attempting to fast-forward through everything. I haven't gone through the full proof method yet which hurt my LG score but I only missed one LG question on the BR so I know I can do better. I was disappointing with my RC (50%) because I have gotten as high as 70% before and I noticed during my BR that I made some really dumb mistakes. And LR...did a lot better! Both sections under time conditions were my best though I have a lot of improvements I can make.

The floor I must hit is a 161 so knowledge wise I'm very close to where I need to be (not that it is my ultimate goal) and I definitely have room to grow. I want to write in September so I definitely feel like I can do this! I have a lot of speed issues but I feel like the more PT's I get under my belt, the better I will perform (in addition to more studying lol).

I know it ain't a 170+ score but I feel like I'm heading in the right direction for the first time!

I am trying to keep a positive hardworking attitude towards the LSAT, but this has been increasingly more difficult when my recent 4 PT scores after the CC slowly dropped to horrific all time lows.

Before starting the CC, my initial practice test was a 141 (ouch). I took the CC very seriously. I paused every video to do the question before hand, never skipped anything, and I have been working even harder during the current PT phase.

My scores for the PTs 36, 37, 38 and 39 are: 157, 153, 157, 150; BR: 167, 162, 161, TBD.

36: LR -11, LR -9, RC - 7, LG -5.

37: LR -11, LR -6, RC -12, LG -8.

38: LR - 7, LR -6, RC -12, LG -5.

39: LR -15, LR -8, RC -12, LG -6.

For my blind review, I go over every single question again, on a freshly printed PT and I look at the analytics thereafter. I dive deep into the questions myself first, then watch the videos for those questions that 1) I chose the wrong AC twice, 2) I chose the right AC initially and changed to an incorrect AC in BR and 3) the questions I successfully changed to the right AC.

For the last remaining questions (right both times), I will check to see if I was at all swayed by any of the other answer choices. i.e. did not eliminate an AC, or I possibly circled and erased an incorrect one. Ultimately, I am trying my best to not only learn why I chose the incorrect AC, but also why I did not choose the correct AC. I then strive to couple this mentality with solidifying the correct thinking I made when I picked the right AC twice.

I really spelled out exactly how I blind review so I could possibly get feedback from the community if I am maybe doing something wrong. It is a bit disheartening to see these scores after the hundreds of hours I have spent studying. Nevertheless, I am determined to do well and will not let this stop me.

Any suggestions on how I can improve my BR mechanism? What more could I add into this process?

Thank you all and sorry about the long post.