Hi guys,

I have some confusion going on here between the difference of the following question:

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-25-section-4-question-23/

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-27-section-1-question-23/

In sum,

From PT25-S4-Q23, we learned that:

If A cause B cause C, then it concludes C causes A; this is wrong because the possibility of C some A, or C and A, is ignored.

If that is true, so why is: PT27-S1-Q23 answer choice A wrong.

If most A cause B, then B, therefore A, the structure of PT25-S4-Q23, then, if we had follow PT27-S1-Q23 logic, it gets down to: (negating "most" to "some not", then it follows that some B is not A is ignored, which is what answer choice A says isn't it?

Greetings everyone,

I am writing because I was supposed to take the Sept LSAT and apply to law school fall 2016. I took a Testmasters course summer 2016 and only saw my score improve by a few points (142 to 147). Part of my low performance was my lack of commitment to studying and another part of it was how it was taught. Since that course, I bought the LSAT Trainer and have studied from that for about a month or so. I graduated from undergrad in 2014 and work full time with an awesome immigration attorney since then. My point is that I'm lost as to how to approach studying for the LSAT. I want to purchase 7sage because it offers explanations and more structure (which is something I desperately need). So, has anyone had a similar experience such as mine? I fear I will jumble up all the methods and be even more miserable than I currently feel now. I plan to take the June LSAT and I want to get a score 160-165. I know I can do it, I'm just not sure how to do it. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You

I just noticed that none of my lessons are marked as completed. I still have the different percentages at the top of the page but that's it. If this is a new change how do we now determine which lessons have been completed? I'm logged in from work and haven't checked any other computers or phones. Using Internet Explorer. Can't access other browsers at the moment.

Has the flash player option for videos been discontinued? Sometimes my computer will not load the default player, and I noticed that the alternative option doesn't seem to be available for me any more.

Is this the case for anyone else?

So I'm finally getting my hands on the earlier PT used in the CC (I have been using the silent videos)...yay me! This is probably a dumb question, but how are y'all timing yourselves with the question sets at the end of each section if y'all are using paper copies since most are in different tests and maybe even books? Seems like it would be hard to get an accurate time measure switching PT books for one question.

I know it's recommended to wake up early or be ready by 8:30ish to simulate test-day conditions, but what about the June exam that starts at 1pm?

I'm an early-morning person so the June start time is a serious nightmare (or rather, afternoon-mare) for me, because I tend to hit an afternoon slump, or at least feel not as alert around noon. I've tried waking up later, but having a hard time with things like giving up morning runs when there's less traffic, to generally feeling bad about losing that morning study time, when I'm studying full time and usually get a good chunk done before noon. I feel more productive on an early morning routine, but perhaps it's not worth the risk of a mid-day-slump-during-June-exam?

Any thoughts or experience on getting used to the June LSAT start time?

Hi All,

This is a difficult flaw question and I intent to give a shoot at explaining it, which is different from JY. Please help and check my explanation's validity.

The question link is here: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-27-section-4-question-25/

For flaw question, the first step I do is always noticing the logic and try to draw it out. This helps to distinguish whether the logic fallacy is a formal fallacy or informal fallacy.

Under this question, the logic are breaking down into the following:

Premise 1: Reporter knowledge-->Press Agent-->Tells Everything-->1 reporter knows more->Scoop other reporters

Activator: Tells Everything

Conclusion: Scoop other reporters

By this we notice that it is a SA/NA fallacy.

However, we are not finished. As time consuming as drawing the logic out, the question steam puts the final hurdle.

The question didn't ask "Which one of the following most accurately describes a flaw in the reasoning in the argument", but instead, it says, which one of the following which isn't stated, but is consistent with the flaw.

In other words, we are trying to find one thing that is consistent within the flaw, which we have defined. And we are not defining the flaw here, but a consistent use of language.

Which marks E correct, which translates into: 1 reporter knows more-->Reporter knowledge. I agree, the translation isn't as perfect, but it does draw a great deal of similarity.

Had the question asked to identify the flaw in this question, then B becomes the correct answer, which states: one doesn't have to be a reporter and not scoop the reporters. To see this, refer to PT25-S4-Q23.

Please comment on my explanation.

Thanks,

Panda

Hello,

I'm not sure how to contact 7Sage customer support. Is there a "Contact Us" feature that I'm not seeing? I initially purchased the Ultimate package with the expectation of taking the June 2017 LSAT; however, I just accepted a new job that requires an out-of-state move as well as juggling two jobs between now and July. Given all these changes, I won't be able to devote enough time to studying between now and June and am hoping to extend my access to the content I purchased through September. Is that possible?

Thanks!

-Nichole

Hi guys,

I wonder if you can help and check my analysis to see if it is correct or not.

The question is here: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-20-section-1-question-22/

I used logic to solve this question.

The logic goes of the following:

Law abiding people->Environment->Character->Criminal Action->Crime

And the conclusion states:

Crime->Law abiding people

That is why answer E is correct.

I am taking my first practice test soon. Should I do the circling for unsure answers that is discussed in the blind review method? I am basically confused if this method is for practice tests or just individual sections.

I noticed that they started going to the elimination question right after each individual rule rather than doing it after going through the rules as a whole and thinking about deductions. Why did the process change?

Also, what do they say about doing "if" questions first on LG? recent videos seem to be doing that. is that a change from previous process? if so, what is the reason for the change?

thank you.

Q. When to and not to use formal logic and/or contrapositives

How do you diagram this

J is selected unless W is selected

J is selected if and only if W is selected

If W is not selected then J is not selected

Either J or W must be selected

Help anyone

Hi guys,

I am really confused about this question: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-25-section-4-question-17/

After reading the question, I notice what the author is trying to do. It is trying to argue for a sentimental value to counteract the mayor's argument for the monetary value. And the conclusion argues can be translated as due to the great importance of the sentimental value the item listed should be restored.

From this, I immediately draw up the missing assumption which is almost a principle that is missing: if sentimental value in this case is greater than monetary value then the government needs to fix it despite the fiscal limitation.

As such, I moved into the answer choice and didn't find it or anything close to it.

So I was puzzled between A & B. And finally I chose A for the reason that the argument appealed to emotion. But it is wrong.

Why?

I only have a few days access left in this invaluable 7sage world, and thought it'd be good to reach out to the other ancient (35+ year old) folks who are likewise chasing their law school dream later in life. For me, I see it as a productive use of a mid-life crisis (sports cars depreciate much faster than JD degrees), and something I've always wanted to do. Whilst doing the school tours and tests I'm surrounded by babies/young whippersnappers, but I'm hoping once I settle into a part-time/weekend program the average age will increase a bit. Learning the test seemed a bit intuitive after having spent a decade or so working with lawyers and picking up how they think, but study time was always sandwiched between career, family and civic duties. 7sage was the perfect fit, and I watched my average score jump about 15 points from beginning to end of the course. I've talked a few friends into considering law school as well, and will be singing the praises of this site for years.

So what about you? What inspired the return to school? Challenges? Favorite schools?

Hello,

So...I asked my prof to write a letter on January, and she kindly accepted.

But it's Feb already and it seems she does not open the email from LSAC yet.

The deadline is 2/15 and I told her that and I emailed her like 4 days ago attaching uploaded PS, but should I email her again and tell her as a reminder that the deadline is 2/15?

It must take some time for LSAC to upload the letter and send application to school so I hope she can email the letter like 2/13 at the latest but I do not want to push her neither...what should I do?

Should I wait for a couple of days more?

Thanks

collecting all thoughts about the Monday February test

Hello,

I would really appreciate some advice here,

So My RC on old PTs (20s to 30s) were on average -3, I knew that old RCs are much easier but at least I thought my reading ability wasn't too bad. But the more recent like 60s PT, I'm now averaging -8 and this really freaks me out.

The pattern that I am seeing is that I would miss only 1 or 2 on entire 3 passages and get completely destroyed on one particular passage that feels most dense. (usually the second one) It seems comparative passage doesn't pose much problem.

Should I just print out most difficult passages and focus drill them?

Its just so frustrating how my performance on a single passage kills the RC score

I chose C. The stimulus talked about two different groups eat dinner at home sharing similar nutrition value etc. J.Y. says that (D) address paradox by suggesting the first group(work outside of home) eat outside more often. But it still confuses me why C is wrong.

Any insights would be appreciated. I face a hard time to solve PRE Question which should be easy to tackle for most people.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-19-section-2-question-05/

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I'm quite confused on this question. I was down to answer choice A and E, and ultimately chose A. I understand why E is correct, but I still cannot grasp why A is not.

I thought that the stimulus could be viewed in relations to not only "conclusion/premise," but also "phenomenon/hypothesis." The passage is telling us why "consumers are buying more durable goods" because they expect economic growth. And with this, the economist further explains/hypothesizes that "the economy seems to be heading out of recession. "

To my knowledge, providing any hypothesis to a phenomenon would be trying to explain the phenomenon, which is exactly what answer choice A states. For instance, if you see a phenomenon that whatever you drop from a building falls to the ground, by hypothesizing that there seems to be a force (gravity) that makes items drop, this would be providing an explanation to the phenomenon. Any help would be great!

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Hey guys, so i took the Feb LSAT and i had three logical reasoning sections. I'm just wondering if anyone has figured out which one was experimental because i feel like it could really change my score depending on which one it was haha. If anyone knows and can help me figure it out, i'd appreciate it.

Hey guys just need some advice. So, my first take was yesterday and I have been studying for about a year. I can't really gauge what type a score I will get. If need be, my second take would be June. I just don't know when to start studying for the June LSAT. I am feeling quite drained and don't feel like jumping right into studying but I don't want to get sluggish with the methods either :/. Also, if I don't start studying again would it be wise to focus on weaknesses rather than doing the core curriculum again? Some pointers on that would be great as well.

Thanks again :)

Hi guys,

I want to summarize some stuff in points and hope you guys can chime in and give some much appreciated suggestions!

-studied one month 6-8 hours a day for February LSAT. Went from 149-164 average.

-took February test, Spazzed out on LG and RC , my BEST sections, and missed a section each (guessed) and surprisingly did well on LR when I was doing poorly before *i was more confident though in my answer choices that I got to than I have ever been on my PTs so I guess that's a plus

-GPA is 3.26 so I need a low to mid 170 to get into USC.and a mid 160 for UCI. due to my recent mess up I think USC is definitely out and UCI is in critical condition.

-need to set backup plan in motion.

-I have certain weaknesses such as applying the flaws I see in passages of LR to answer choices, I hate inferences in LR and some smaller stuff which is awefully specific. Powerscore book didn't help me because I feel like it focuses so much more on structure than content. Very basic and generalized I was so disappointed. It didn't help me to be a better critical thinker like JYs videos on say LG did.

-I need a more tailor made approach, I need to read and retain better, and I need to up my vocab as well lol. And my timing needs to definitely improve.

-if you guys think it's possible to get to the low to mid 170s in the June or September LSAT, then I will start studying in about two weeks regardless of how February turns out.

I broke 160 on my PTs very early on in my studying...hit a 166, then started to decline back to 161-162.

Thanks and sorry for the long post. But what do u guys recommend in terms of study guides and options given my scenario?