Hi guys,

I'm retaking the LSAT in October, so I already have familiarity with each LSAT section, but not in the in-depth way that many people on this forum seem to have. I have the Powerscore Bible for LG 'cause it's my weakest section, but I'd like something to drill and keep somewhat sharp on Arguments and RC (was getting -2/-4 on PTs in those sections). Since I'm pretty good at them, I don't want to drop $50 a piece on the PS Bibles and spend a ton of time on them.

Does anyone know about the viability and/or helpfulness of the "LSAT Superprep" book published by LSAC to help me drill in these sections? (Thinking maybe it could help me understand the sometimes baffling logic of LSAC) Or is there maybe a better way?

Thanks for your help!

Christian

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-4-question-08/

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-4-question-10/

Hi all, I just took PT 62 today and I would like to get some input from other 7sagers regarding the answer choices for these two questions. I scored a 173 on the exam, but there were a couple of answers that still do not sit right with me after watching each explanation ten times. For question 8 the stimulus refers to "diverse cultures," but the correct answer choice includes the phrase, "all of the world's cultures," which seems overreaching. I initially circled this answer choice (C), but I changed it to "A," which I thought was incorrect as well. As for question 10, it seems to me that the flaw is that liquid water is not sufficient for primitive life to evolve, but the correct answer choice reads, "fails to consider that there are conditions necessary for the evolution of life in addition to the presence of liquid water." How does this introduce the notion that water is not sufficient? It just points out that there might be other necessary factors. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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I've been really delaying making this thread, partially in hopes that I would start hitting the scores I need to soon, and wouldn't need to basically rant.

I started studying in May, finished the core curriculum + all Cambridge packets in 2months, and July 8th I started doing Practice Tests. I've done 8 in total, I do 3 a week, M, W, and F, mainly in accordance with my local university library's schedule. I blind review the lsats the entire day after, so on Tuesdays, and Thursday, and on the weekends I take it a little easier and blind review half day on Sat and Sun. I should mention that my BR scores are never much higher, they're always around 161, which worries me as time is clearly not the problem. I generally catch my silly mistakes in BR, but reading LR I almost always just go with my original answers. :/

I never took a diagnostic as I didn't want to discourage myself by getting a low score, and also didn't want to do LG without having proper diagramming skills. If I had to guess, I would say it would be pretty low, probably 140s, but I guess I'll never know.

Unlike most of the people on 7Sage, I'm from Canada, and here all you need to get into a vast majority of the schools, even some of the best ones is an LSAT score of 160+, assuming you have a stellar GPA, which I'm happy to say I have. For my particular school of choice, a 162 on the LSAT would guarantee me a spot according to the index score used for this year, and 160 would most likely get me in off the waiting list.

Now getting to the rant part, I'm stuck in a slump. My last 5 LSAT scores have been: 159, 157, 156, 158, and today was 157. The corresponding raw scores were 74, 69, 71, 70, and 73.

According to the analytics I have the most difficulty with Flaw/Descriptive weakening questions, and Law passages (the irony :L).

LG is my strongest section, I usually go -3 and it's usually due to either not having enough time or misreading some rules. RC is weird for me, there are days like today, where I went 20/26, and others where I go 18/28. LR is another weird one, it's all over the place. Average is 66%, usually 17/25, but some days I go 20/25, and today oddly enough I went 19/25, and 15/26.

I've been reading the Trainer, and am on Chapter 10, but stopped after I started taking PTs, will get back to it asap, and try to make sure I read one chapter everyday.

So sorry for this loooooooong background story, but I need help getting out of this slump and I'm so sick of coming home and marking my LSATs only to find out I keep getting 157ish. I'm hoping maybe as long as I keep at it, I'll eventually just increase my score, but I keep thinking like no matter what I do I always end up at the same score. Like days where I rock LG and RC, I mess up LR, and other days I rock LR and mess up RC.

Is there any other material I should get, like potentially read through the Manhattan LR, or go back and review 7Sage core lessons?

By Oct I need to get 160+, and I would even be happy with literally just getting 160, but I'm worried as people say the later tests are even harder, and if I'm scoring 157 on these earlier, apparently easier tests, I don't want to know what will happen later on. Which is why I think I'm going to start jumping around, I've done PTs 39-46 so far, and I think I should do 60s next week?

Anyway, thanks for reading, and I apologize again for making this exceptionally long.

* Oh and regarding time, I generally haven't had a problem with not finishing sections on time, that being said I don't have extra but I somehow always seem to just finish before time runs out, don't get any time leftover to go back to any questions, but when I go through questions I usually pick one without the intention of having to come back.

So just bombed my fourth PT and I think it's about time I reevaluate my timeline and goals in here. Mid 160's is my target but I can't seem to see the light at the end of the tunnel here. So far my PT have been embarrassing at best. My initial diagnostic was 146. I've taken PT 36 - 39. So far I've gotten 133 (Didn't even think that was possible), 141, 146, and 147. I started the course in April and finished a couple of weeks ago and just started PT. Thing is, my BR has been comparably much better, in fact, probably right where I'd like to end up at. I've BR at 150, 156, 168, and 162. On RC I'm averaging -11.5 on LR I'm -14 and LG I'm -17. On BR for RC I'm -5, on LR I'm -7, and LG -8. A lot of these are really brought down by my first test where I pretty much locked up like a deer in headlights. But still, I'm thinking tempted to start from scratch here. Thing is, when I come back for BR, even for the ones I get wrong on BR, I'm seeing very clearly where I was wrong and most of the time, the right answer is the one I struggled with debating for. It leads me to believe there is something that's sunk in. I just don't know if this means I should continue PT and BR to a greater extent to work on timing and understanding the stimulus quickly, or if I should come back to the fundamentals of the course again before taking any more exams. Even since my first PT I've noticed a difference, especially in LG where I am at least completing a couple of games, but I'm nowhere where I thought I would be with 60 days until October. At this point, I'm thinking I should push this out till December. I'm already working full time and I'll be starting school at the end of this month. If anyone could help me gauge the mess I've made here, it'd be much appreciated.

So I was reading a blog post on personal statements by the Yale Dean of Admissions, and she linked to this video as a "law school reality check:"

I know we have all heard these critiques about going to law school before, but watching it in the context of what not to do in my personal statement made me second guess everything I was planning on writing.

I'm hoping to get thoughts from you guys (because posting this on TLS would likely make me cry) regarding the video. How have you convinced yourselves that you're not whom this video is making fun of, and how will you prove that to law schools in your applications?

Thank you and I apologize if this is old news.

Hi all. I'm about to do my June 2007 preptest tomorrow according to my syllabus. I know I'm supposed to emulate the test conditions to be the same time as what the real test would be held (early morning). However I can't do it this week b/c of my child's school schedule. The timing is super tight so I would be distracted during the test about being tardy to pick up at school. Would it be terrible to take the preptest any other time during the day when I feel alert? Or....should I wait and move on to the rest of the core curriculum and do the preptest next week when I have the time. Thanks so much.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-21-section-2-question-13/

I wonder whether this is really necessary assumption question.

Isn't this most strongly supported question or anything else?

There's no clear conclusion in the stimulus and although I negate (D) I am not sure if I can entirely wreck the argument.

I got this question right, but just wonder whether this question is properly categorized.

Let me first start off by saying I am going to become a junior this fall semester at my university. I have never prepped for the LSAT prior to taking my diagnostic and I scored a 146. A month into studying I took another prep test and scored a 152. After blind reviewing and checking up on the trends of my exams, I realized I may need to take a look back at the fundamentals of logical reasoning section, which I have. I take a prep test tomorrow and I am hoping to get in the high 150's and my overall goal is to get in the 160's by the time of the October LSAT. If I don't reach my goal of averaging in the 160's by the end of august should I reschedule my LSAT or is there any other advice someone is willing to give. I get very nervous during my exams which I believe may have an impact on my grade. Please help me with some advice!

Hey all!

I know the topic retaking PTs (and the value of that) has been discussed many times, but I just wanted to get a little more specific advice.

Like many others, I have exhausted all of the PTs, except for 72-74. There are some PTs that I have reviewed very extensively. Some PTs I have only taken once and may not have done a very thorough review. I think there is value in finding which ones I am less familiar with, and re-taking + BR. Right now my main focus is working through the Cambridge drilling packets, and really honing my fundamentals.

What can you glean from the score inflation of retakes? For example, I just took a PT and scored a 180, but I remembered the logical reasoning very clearly, so I don't take it seriously at all. RC and LG I did not remember as well. How about for a PT that I do not remember as well, what can I take away from the score?

I am just worried that for the questions I have reviewed a lot previously, I am remembering the right answer, and sure why it is the right answer in that instance. But I want to be extra sure that I am reinforcing the right reasoning skills and not just the right answers.

Thank you so much!

Julia

I just got past the 2007 test and am venturing out into the lessons. Did any of you guys actually buy the other tests that have the silent videos available for them? Which tests should I buy first? When I purchased the "ultimate" 7sage program, it stated that the tests came with it. They don't, which is fine, but I'm having trouble figuring out what to purchase first. Can you tell me what you purchased first?

Hey 7Sagers,

Had a user email in with a question that I think you could help out with! Here it is:

Hey guys

I have a quick question, I was wondering is it possible to get into any Law School with a 3 year degree? This is a general degree offered in Canada and in Canada it says you can still get an admission into Law School with this degree but I was wondering is it the same in the USA. If it is I was wondering if you can point out any potential pitfalls of 3 year degree vs a 4 year degree?

Thanks in Advance

The logic games explanations are on Youtube, so their speed can be changed with Youtube shortcuts. Are there speed shortcuts for the 7Sage player?

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I know. You're thinking about skipping out on BR groups this week. It's summer, you're having "fun," and October seems so far away. Well, it's not. Don't skip BR groups this week.

Listen to the GIF!

Note: Weekday (Weds/Fri) calls now starting at 8PM ET. We haven't had many West Coasters with schedule restraints on recently and would like to give the East Coasters a break (since we've been on until nearly midnight for them recently).

Please also note: Saturday calls still start at 8PM ET!

Wednesday, August 5th at 8PM ET: PT59

Last PT in the 50's!

(s)Friday, August 7th at 8PM ET: PT74

Frighteningly recent test.(/s) rescheduled for next Friday.

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Since everyone is a bit confused, I'm making this thread. (I've copy/pasted this on threads that it's related to, so that may be why you might see this several times). Here's an explanation of what's going on in short form:

-We are recreating the Problem Sets.

-You can still access the old problem sets here: http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/old-problem-sets/

-No, you don't have to go back and complete the new problem sets we added. They are similar to the old one.

-If you've started with the old Problem Sets, you can continue with the old Problem Sets. That's not to say you can't look at the new Problem Sets / complete the new ones. Feel free. Just letting you know you might see repeated material amongst the new stuff.

I also want to clarify that no one is losing content in their existing package. You still have access to all the same Problem Sets you had when you signed up here:

http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/old-problem-sets/

More info in this thread:

http://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/comment/18273

@"Alan Cheuk" The problem sets are new (and packaged better), and some of it is old.

@Pacifico

is right on the button that we are going through PT 17-35 to extract the questions in a more systematic way. Before we had a loose selection of questions from PT 10-35 making up the problem sets.

The old problem sets were created without LSAT Analytics data, but now that we have information available, the new problem sets will use pretty much every question from PT 17-35 (way more questions than before). They also slowly ramp up in difficulty, so the early problem sets are the easiest ones, and then you slowly get to the harder ones.

Right now for the new problem sets Premium students get easy problem sets, Ultimate students get the easy and medium problem sets, and a TBA course level will get the easy medium and hard problem sets. The new problem sets also incorporate the LSAT Analytics data to make reviewing your answers easier.

Existing students get to keep access to the old problem sets (under "Old Problem Sets"), and get access to new problem sets if Premium or higher level. There is overlap between the old and new problem sets, so if you try both, you will see repeats.

We are still in the process of migrating. We've got the LR ones pretty much done, but are still working on RC and LG.

@Pacifico noticed a bug where Analytics wasn't linking to explanations (http://classic.7sage.com/forums/discussion/3052/site-changes#latest). That's not a change but a mistake (sorry!). I'm working on it :)

I hope this helps clear things up!

Hi Everyone

I finally score 20+ in RC recently but I am sure I still need to keep my diligence up. I am reading the Economist, the scientific americans,and supreme court argument. However, I think passages in scientific american are too short compared to RC passages. I love the Economist but they only have a few science passages. Does anyone try other outside sources for RC? Thank you!!

Just for fun ...

... What are your little 7sage secrets? Or 0L/LSAT secrets more broadly? Come on, DISH!

Forgive me if this has been covered elsewhere. I have been at this since December and just finished taking my 14th PT. My BR scores are high (174+) but I still find myself circling a lot of questions for review. I understand that this can vary from test to test due to difficulty, but should I be concerned that, for example, there are still some LR sections that I circle 18? When I circle that many, most are correct a large majority of the time. I've always had a bad habit of second guessing myself, but I don't want to chalk it up to that if it signals an underlying problem. I would be a lot more concerned with it if my BR weren't where I want them. I just can't figure out why I'm still not 100% sure on so many questions at times.

Hello all,

So here I am whining again. I started PTing from PT36 and now I am at PT39. Between PT38 and PT39, I did 50 questions of Flaw and 50 questions of NA from Cambridge, and I got most, if not all, correct.

My score on PT39 went down by 6 points from PT38. I am devastated and don't know what to do. There are so many great stories in this forum but I see that might not be applicable to me. I am trying and trying but I just can't see improvement. I seriously want to cry while writing this message.

I am drilling but I am not improving. When I BR, I do way better, duh!

Be honest, is it possible that there are people who can never improve in this test?

Now, as I've been going through the exercises, I am able to identify the necessary condition and the sufficient condition for the work the majority of the time, until I get to the very convoluted passages/sentences/whatever. I have an extraordinarily tough time when it comes to PF/ Negation/ SA. I review the valid and invalid argument forms every night for two hours with flash cards trying to get it, but as of right now, I'm only able to memorize the forms. I have a hard time identifying them in practice. I feel that this has to do in part to lack of understanding the working difference between the SC and the NC. Does anyone have a way that helped them "get it", as well as any other tips for understanding Lawgic? Thanks!

I'm starting to build a large enough sample of PTs (just took my 7th today) that using the analytics to inform my prep seems like a sensible option. There's a lot of information, though, and I'm not too sure how to translate it into a study strategy. I understand the basic idea; it tells me that I'm bad at pseudo-sufficient assumption, so I should work on that. I'm curious, though, what else you guys get from it and how you apply it. For instance, do the question/section difficulty ratings tell you anything during your review?

What information on there do you guys most value, and how do you use it specifically to guide your next week of studying?

Thanks, all.

Seems like there are a lot of motivated students on this forum and I just wanted to get a general picture of how many hours you study per day. Also, do you study every day of the week or do you give yourself a day off? I plan on taking the October exam and spend around 4 hours studying per day. I plan on increasing this to 5+ during August and around 7+ during September.

Does anyone do this or thought of doing this? Could it be potentially helpful since the passages get increasingly difficult, starting with the harder ones would give you a fresher mind. Any thoughts?

Hi folks, looking for advice here. As a side note, I love the community feel and all the support on the discussion forum!

I'm trying to score in the high 160s or even maybe low 170s to get significant scholarship offers at my local law school options (the better school here has average 164 LSAT, with 3.67 GPA ). For reference my UG GPA was 3.87.

I started studying in January, but was still at a demanding job and my pace slacked. I picked it up again in June when I quit my job, and my plan has been to study June-Sept and take the Oct exam.

I've finished the Trainer and initially thought to use 7Sage just for LG, but now I've gone through the core curriculum for RC as well. I think the Trainer is great for LR, but I am wondering about going through the 7Sage core curriculum for LR as well - though this would put me behind on my study schedule.

Currently, I'm working through the LG bundle and seeing improvement, but it is slower than I anticipated. I usually drill games until I'm hitting JYs target time for them.

All that to say... lately I have been thinking that the Oct test is a stretch. I planned to begin PTing with BR next week (2-3/wk); If I go through the LR curriculum it will probably set me behind a week, giving me only 8 weeks for PTs. I believe I can do about 23 PTs even with the set back, but I had planned for at least 30 before the test...

I believe I could perform higher if I take in Dec, and some of the schools I am interested in will even take the Feb test. However, I'm concerned I will miss the window of time in which most scholarships are given out.

Any advice or suggestions very appreciated!