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Hi everyone! I scored a 147 on the September test and am taking it again in November. Since then I’ve improved on LG a ton and RC a little. I’m looking to score between a 155-160 with 158 as my set goal. My last two practice tests were a 152, 158, but then a 145 today. I did a section a day during the week and got a 152. Not sure why my score is fluctuating so much but it’s really discouraging. Does anyone have any study advice?

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Today I had my third "breakthrough" score and highest Prep Test to date. Earlier this week I scored 170 on PT 86 and this morning I scored 177 on PT 75. The only thing I did differently was skip every question type in LR I knew I would struggle with. At the end of both LR sections I had flagged three questions and had over ten minutes to think through them. This led to -1 for each section. Needless to say, I am now a believer in this strategy.

I usually miss -1/-3 on one LR section and -3/-5 on the other so having -2 through two sections feels really good. Also, I cleaned 23/23 on Logic Games which is rewarding because I practiced about 15 hours on fool-proofing this week. If you don't fool-proof; you need this in your life!

Finally for RC. This one has been the hardest to improve over the last 11 months but I've gone from a -11 average to -3. Today I missed 2. The method I use in RC is similar to the basic translation drill for LR stimuli. For each paragraph pause at the end and summarize what it means before moving on. After each subsequent paragraph, think about how it functions in the context of the passage.

7Sage works. I was stuck in the mid / high 160's back when I started. This is the best community to learn LSAT with and JYs methods are superior. I'm very excited about November after a disappointing September.

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Just wanted to share the word about the tutoring services offered by Nicole Hopkins (nicole@ilovelsat.com). I used her for mainly reading comprehension, but the work that we did together also helped me in logical reasoning. I did 5 hours of tutoring with Nicole, and I don't know what magic she used but I went from getting 7-9 wrong per section to 0-2. HUGE progress and honestly, it didn't even feel like I was doing much work. Nicole is a master at explaining things until you understand them-- she is patient, relatable, and incredibly flexible-- which was great for me as someone who is working full time and located on a different coast from her.

Additionally, I am working with her on writing my essays (personal statement, diversity statement, addendum, and supplements) and she has sat with me through each editing session to meticulously break down every sentence and paragraph to ensure that I will get the results that I want. As a professional writer and editor herself, she has definitely shown me the value in getting outside help for writing and LSAT coaching.

I know that she is currently accepting clients, and highly recommend that people who need help reach out. Working with her has been a joy and a great investment.

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We're looking for the NA.

P1: When a driver is talking on her cell, the person on the other end of the call can't see if her driving conditions become difficult.

P2: If the driver is instead talking to a passenger, the passenger is usually quiet or can help by warning about any difficulties.

Therefore, talking on a cell while driving is more dangerous than talking to a passenger.

What absolutely HAS to be true?

E ) Talking on a cell is no more dangerous than talking to a passenger who continues to talk during difficult driving situations. This is certainly not our NA since our conclusion is about talking on a cell being MORE dangerous, especially because the continuing to talk could be the passenger providing helpful warnings.

D ) If a passenger's helpful warnings are just as likely to distract the driver, this actually weakens our argument.

C ) Don't give a hoot what the drivers believe.

B ) Of course driving is less dangerous if the driver isn't talking to anyone, but that's not what we're comparing.

A ) For this argument to hold up, we have to assume that speaking to a driver during a difficult driving situation increases the danger (ie, risk of accident), the one exception being (unless) the person she's speaking to is providing helpful warnings. Bingo. I overlooked this AC at first because it's asking us to infer that since the person on the other end of the call can't see the difficult driving situation, they are going to keep talking. But I guess that's a small enough and fair enough inference.

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So I was just looking up reading comp strategies online and I came across this guy that said reading comp was his favorite section because it’s an opportunity for him to learn new things, since the passages are adapted from real articles and I thought that was a really interesting way to view the reading comp section.

The nerd in me loves learning new things and I’m constantly researching and looking up random things to learn about and I think I’m going start approaching the reading comp section in that way because it’ll help me become more engaged with the material (which will help me with the memory method taught here on 7sage).

I’m just really curious if what he said was true: does anybody know if the reading comp passages are actually based on real-life articles and true facts?

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So for one of the schools, I basically have their median LSAT score and median GPA but my chances of getting in is 23%????When I click ED, it jumps to 32%. I was considering Ed'ing but with 32%, I feel like i'm going to be wasting my early decision and I might be better off doing it for a different school. Should I just ignore these numbers and base my decision to ED off of the medians for the school?

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Will the LSAC know what all institutions I attended before I even submit my transcripts? I bounced around a few community colleges in my late teens - early twenties before I finally got serious in my early 30's and graduated from a state university. My GPA is high (3.9), but I know it won't be after they factor in all the others classes I failed out of from 10+ years ago. Seems so unfair...

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Hi guys,

I have been studying seriously since the beginning of September but I just don't seem to be improving very much. My diagnostic score was a 162 (pt43). Since then, these are my scores:

2007: 163

73: 158

39: 165

25: 163

78: 165

53: 165

75: 164

My weakest section is logic games. In LR in the latest tests I have been getting between 2-4 wrong. and RC is 2-4 wrong too. Should I just keep doing games as JZ suggests? I know it is a decent score but with my diagnostic I had pretentiously hoped I would see quick improvements. I am taking the Nov LSAT.

Thank you!!

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Hello,

I suffer from PTSD, OCD and some other conditions that I'd rather not list and as such I have 50% extra time accommodations on the LSAT.

It is really annoying that there seems to be no way to adjust the amount of time per section in the testing tool, there isn't even a way to go back in "restarting" regular time.

I have been timing extra 50% separately as I am doing blind review, but then there is no way to tell between "extra time" and "actual blind review". Also as a result, a lot of questions show up missed that I completed within the time that I will have on the LSAT.

I know that this isn't a common issue, however, I feel that people with disabilities already have a very difficult time with the LSAT and it would be great if 7sage could help us out a bit here. I have the Ultimate+ which was very costly and I intended to do all the tests using the online tool on this site, because it's so convenient. Sorry if I sound like I am complaining too much, its not my intent, I know this isn't a common problem and probably something the site makers simply didn't think of.

Any ideas? Workarounds or possibility of 7sage making a change?

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For example I would like to do just the LG sections for a few earlier PTs, but I can't seem to access individual sections on the digital tool without taking the entire test. Nor can I blind review and check the answers just for one section. If this isn't an option now, I would highly recommend you guys make this a feature for future 7Sagers!

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"Are you in the first generation of your family to graduate from college?"

This is a complicated questions for me because my dad earned a bachelors degree over the course of his 20+ years in the military by taking classes online. He finished his degree after I had already started undergrad. I was the first person in my family to go to college in the traditional sense. My undergrad recognized me as first gen but I realize some institutions may have much stricter definitions. While my dad never "attended college" he did technically beat me to the degree. Should I just answer "no" to avoid the confusion?

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I'll be sitting for the November LSAT. Started mid August and going on third and final month.

Looking for any advice on how my last month should be spent. In fact, how should any 7sager's last month be spent? Any wisdom you all can offer would be stellar!

Goal:

-160, something like -20 overall.

LSAT progress:

-Began mid-August. J07 was a gut-punching 143. Turns out not a fluke, next PT days later was 142. End of August 143. BRs were 157.

-Taken during early CC days. Only finishing 60-70% questions and burning out mid-test. Was very reticent to skip. Not really skipping.

-Avg LR -13 LG -16 RC -14. Overall -43.

-Pushed through most of CC excluding RC. 50% through foolproofing LG. Tearing through Manhattan drill book. Not done with that.

Now:

-Early to mid October PTs were 156, 154, 152. BR is holding between 161 and 165.

-Now finishing some LR sections completely with 5-8 skipped Qs with about 3 mins to burn.

-Avg LR -11 LG -13 RC -11. Overall -35.

How should I proceed for each section? I'll assume that I need to wrap up LG foolproofing. Will LR CC repeat yield much? If so, should it be analytics-driven? Is RC CC going to yield anything more than BRing RC sections would?

Sacrifice older PTs below 50 for timed sections?

Thanks in advance, 7sage community. You all have been incredibly helpful.

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Feeling discouraged. I will put this in LSAT terms

Premise 1: according to stats (ie powerscore forum, Reddit, law forums etc) most diagnostic score are around 150

Premise 2: according to same sources, most people improve 10pts only

Premise 3: I did not score a 150. I did not do the logic game section (didn't know how to do it and gave up and just guessed on the 4 games).

Premise 4: if I had above average intelligence, I would have scored 150.

Conclusion: I am of below average intelligence and not capable of a high score.

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I’m in at UVA.

Waiting to hear back from other T-14 schools. Curious to hear the community’s thoughts about UVA vs Columbia vs UPENN — but mostly UVA vs Columbia.

I love UVA — it’s oft discussed collegiality, clerk and big law placement, lack of class rankings, opportunity to graduate with a well-rounded education, proximity to D.C legal market with advantage of national name recognition. Nevertheless, Columbia seems to carry stronger name recognition (sorry to be so focused on rankings and prestige), perhaps, as does UPENN.

But what do you all think. Just very curious.

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Do schools penalize you for being under the word count? The majority of the schools I'm applying to have the same general prompt so I'm tweaking the same personal statement for each school. Currently, I'm just below 5,000 characters (which is the limit for School A), but School B gives a limit of 6,000. Will it be a bad mark against me for not using the entire character/word allowance?

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Hi all,

I've made some pretty respectable progress since the beginning of my LSAT journey. I went from 138 to the low 160s.

My improvements were:

LR -15 to about -6 (My BR is -2 to -3)

Games: -18 to about -2 (I can go -0 depending on mistakes or not, I make really stupid reading mistakes like assuming that its MBT when it says MBF"

RC: I average -13 (weakest section) and can't get any better, although i don't really practice this.

With only 4-5 weeks left, what should I focus on if I'm trying to score 165+? I want to drill RC for 1-2 weeks to see if I can turn that -13 to to a -7, but I'm not sure if that would be the greatest use of my time. I do 10 in 10 pretty well for LR, but questions 13-20 really stump me.

Open to any advice on how to get the most gains in 4 weeks, considering the information above.

Thanks i love you all, and thanks for reading!

PS: Reschedule isn't an option, I've put this darn test off for like 2 years already. I'm really proud of my improvement so far and want to be done with the LSAT by this Nov. 165+ is the goal, I would be happy with 163-164!

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Hi everyone.

I have really bad news.

We are taking down all of our free Logic Game videos on YouTube on November 15.

Two months ago, LSAC's legal department requested that we remove the videos on copyright violation grounds. We immediately retained Quinn Emanuel, one of the best law firms in the country, and worked with two amazing lawyers (one of whom used to be a 7Sager) to try to work this out with LSAC. Despite our efforts, they remain firm. Our remaining option was to litigate but we don't have the resources to pursue that path.

On November 15 our LG videos will no longer be available to the public for free. They will still exist, but only to students enrolled in a full 7Sage course. This way, we can track usage and send licensing fees accordingly.

These videos have been free for nearly eight years. In that time period, we created an alternative to the paradigm of expensive, in-class test prep in the form of free and low cost, on-demand lessons. I'm sad to see these free videos—a mainstay of both our business and social mission—go. I've had many students tell me that they couldn't afford a course but fully utilized our LG videos, which made me very happy. I've also had many tutors tell me that they don't tutor LG anymore because there's no need to. It makes me feel good to know that we made an impact for some students.

I wanted to see in quantitative terms how much of an impact the LG videos made.

We ran the numbers and generated the chart below. This is data pulled from our analytics. We did our best to exclude retakes, older data, and other data that might inflate scores. Look at the blue and grey lines for LR and RC. They peak around minus 3 or 4, meaning more 7Sagers got around 3 to 4 wrong per section than any other number. Compared to the full population of LSAT takers, this curve is likely left-skewed simply because they're all 7Sagers, a group of students who take their studies seriously. Still, the distribution is relatively normal; you can make out the curve. Relatively few people get -0/-1 on those sections.

Now look at the orange line for LG. The peak of the curve sits at -0/-1. Take a second to think about this. This means more 7Sage students taking PTs got an LG score of -0 or -1 than any other score. That's not normal.

https://i.imgur.com/wbGCrjb.png

I'm curious about the actual exam data on the yearly LG curve over the past decade. My guess is that the curve moved left, meaning the average student has been significantly improving on LG. The actual LG curve might even look similar to ours, since everyone had access to our LG videos. If true, this could offer an explanation for LSAC's increasing preference for weird, miscellaneous games.

Anyway, back to the fact that we're having to remove all our LG videos from YouTube, which is really the point of this post: I'm sorry. If I don't sound more upset about it, it's only because I've had two months now to absorb the blow.

You probably have questions. I'll try to check back here today and tomorrow to answer the ones I can.

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