Hi guys,

I am progressively getting worse at LR. My first handful of PTs I was -4 on average. The next batch was around 5 and 6. I took last week to review my CC in depth on the question types I was missing most and today I am -9 and -11.

I am scoring 50/50 with Flaw and struggle with NA too. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated! I went from 167, to the mid 160s, to today in the 150s. Really confused and disheartened to be getting worse scores with time...

Thanks!

Am retaking in November, have problems on all three sections that need to be addressed. Is it better to study one section at a time until it's down or do LR one day and then LG the next?

See my post on 17 Dec below for update:

After submitting my apps to schools that I am seriously considering, I opened up my data to the LSAC CRS program, thereby eliciting the typical volume of fee waivers and marketing emails one gets from this service. Based on school solicitations, I have done a deep dive on a few, including Boston College. Up front, I don't feel that I would be a competitive applicant for Boston College, either for admission or for any significant amount of scholarship. However, one part of their application's fine print made a statement, to wit: Any scholarship offer will be reduced based on any veteran's benefits you receive so that the two combined will not exceed the cost of tuition.

As a veteran, I took serious offense at this statement. What I earned as a benefit in my 25 years of military service has absolutely zero to do with and should be totally independent of any scholarship consideration a school should give me.

No other school that I've applied to or looked at has made any statement remotely similar to this one. Has anyone else seen anything like it?

If you're registered for an upcoming international LSAT, please double check your reporting times!

I just went to print my ticket for Saturday and noticed the registration time is now 8:30am, not 2:30pm as was listed when I registered.

I've phoned the LSAC who said that yes, the time was changed from 2:30pm to 8:30am some time in mid-September. I asked if there was some sort of error - was I supposed to be notified, or did I receive an email but just not see it?

The answer is 'no', it just so happens the LSAC doesn't have a policy of notifying registrants if the test-time changes from the advertised time. They just change it and hope you notice when you print your ticket - which they instruct you to print as close to the test-day as possible..!

Brb while I try and find a last minute hotel or figure out how to wake up at 2:30am for a 9am test and not feel like garbage.

I unfortunately made a minor mistake in all my statements for one of the law schools. In the header, I included my name, what type of document (personal statement, etc.), and my LSAC ID. I messed up my LSAC ID. I somehow did not add the last number of my ID, so it is noticeable that it is not a complete ID number.

Should I contact the admissions and ask to submit the revised documents? It is my top law school but I made this stupid mistake in an otherwise flawless application. I only submitted the application 2 days ago.

Hey y'all. This is not just a ploy for "atta girl". But feeling a little isolated in my study world. And a little freaked out for November test. I took my first test almost 2 years ago, finished college, started studying regularly last fall, but got sidetracked by getting married. Now 6 weeks out I have the time to devote like I wanted after balancing studying and life all summer. Discouraged with not making much progress on timed sections, drilling and BR'ing. So, diving into the 7sage community for thoughts/advice and hopefully I'm not the only one in this boat!

November or bust!

i've heard many 170+ scorers rarely map out logic or do any writing when taking timed PT's.

How long did it take you to get there?

Do top scorers NEVER map out logic, or hand write notes while taking timed PT's?

For certain SA and MBT lawgic questions, sometimes I feel that I HAVE to write out the lawgic. There are just so many ideas to juggle around, and it's so difficult to keep track of them all in my mind.

the tough thing is the convoluted GRAMMER/referential phrasing plus the logic. It's really hard to keep all those ideas straight in my head without hand mapping it out.

Any general ideas/suggestions on how to get to a point of mastery/fluency with logic??? one example of this is that i wouldn't have to hand write out logic when i see it?

Bit of a specific request. My GPA/LSAT are 3.46/169. I graduated in 2011 and have pretty solid work experience and strong extracurriculars. So far I've gotten waivers from Penn and Michigan. Looking at LSN it looks like people with my numbers have been admitted to both at decent rates.

Here's the issue - the latter half of my college years were sort of marred by mental health issues related to a side-effects, dependency, and withdrawal symptoms for a medication I was prescribed but in hindsight should have never been taking. I went from straight A's my first two years to a basket of B's and C's my later two years.

I plan to write an addendum for this for top 5 schools - because I figure my chances there are slim anyway, my gpa (and probably LSAT) will absolutely be an issue for them and explaining the circumstances can only help

For schools like Penn and Michigan where I have a waiver, should I bother explaining anything? Or will the explanation just hurt my already okay chances? The worst on my transcript are a few C's Junior/Senior year, and then a withdrawal (non-punitive) from 3 courses my last semester.

What about other T-14 schools where I don't have a waiver. Addendum or no?

Thoughts are appreciated. Thanks!

how would you negate "either few customers would want free gift wrapping or most customers would want it"?

Hi guys,

LSAC offers a forum in which they have workshops about the LSAT and law school apps, as well reps from many of the schools who are there to talk to you. The NYC one is coming up at the end of October.

Questions: if I don't plan on applying until next year, would it still be beneficial for me to attend the workshops and meet with the law schools? Is there an advantage to attending the forum a year early? Is the event even worth attending at all? If there is benefit, what is it and how can I benefit most?

Would appreciate feedback from anyone who was in my situation or who has in general attended the forums.

Hey everyone! I know I haven't been too active in the discussion posts, but I read them every day and they are so helpful! I just wanted to share my experience for anyone who needs an extra pick-me-up, as I often came to the discussion posts for positivity. I took my diagnostic test in February of 2018, and got a 141. Thank goodness it was just practice, because I felt that I was sure that I was not going to law school after that exam. I gave up for a few months, and bought 7Sage in June and decided to just try it and take the September exam and see how it went. If I didn't do well then I would have just picked a new career path. Over the summer, I fell in love with the exam. I actually had fun studying, which is a sentence that I don't think I've ever said. After busting my butt all summer, I walked into the September exam feeling like a queen, and I walked out feeling like I did about my usual practice test scores which by the end of the summer was around a 157. I was happy with going from a 141 to a 157 in about 3 months, but I just got my score back and I got a 162!!! I can't even begin to explain the amount of happy tears that were shed. If you are feeling down, take a break, and restart! This exam is possible to learn, if you put the hard work into it. The first time I took the practice and got a 141, I only got 3 correct on the Logic Games section. On the September exam, I only missed 1 LG question! I'm not going to lie to you, I did nothing but study for 6 hours a day for 3 months, but going from a 141 to a 162 is one of the best feelings I have ever had. Please keep your head up because if I can do it, then you can too! Thank you JY and 7Sage! You made learning fun, and I owe my success story to you!

Hello everyone!

There are two schools I am seriously considering going to next fall, first choice being the University of Utah and second being the University of Montana. My GPA is 3.92, so above the 75th percentile for both schools, but my LSAT is 159, which is above the 75th percentile for Montana but at the median for Utah.

In order for me to financially justify going to Utah (would have to pay all 3 years of out of state tuition, their new policy) I would need a substantial scholarship. With the LSAT score I have, I don't think I will be offered enough in scholarships to justify going there. However, I just recently found out the Utah just implemented an ED program. In general, I think applying ED is a bad idea in most instances, but for out of state students that are accepted ED at Utah receive a $75,000 scholarship (roughly 65% of base tuition for 3 years). The only conditions to keep the scholarship are to 1). maintain a 2.5 GPA and 2). don't violate any student conduct rules.

While it would be great to receive a scholarship of that size to a school I want to go to, I am uncertain of how difficult it is to attain a 2.5 GPA in 1L. While I take pride in my academic performance and don't think I would have an issue keeping that GPA, I have no clue what types of grades are generally given out in 1L and how the grading curve would factor into that? I am just trying to be as cautious as possible since it would be very unfortunate to lose out on that amount of money and end up paying sticker price after the first year.

Montana is far more affordable, and I can be reclassified as an in-state student after the first year. I suppose my question is how do you guys feel about receiving scholarships with GPA conditions? And from your perspective, would it be worth the risk to apply ED to Utah? Thanks in advance for the help!

I’m thinking of hiring a law school admission consultant, and I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. I’m interested in Ann Levine, but I heard there are somw other options out there. Any experience or thoughts ?

I took the LSAT for the first time in September and didn't get the score I wanted, so I'm retaking in November. Does anyone have tips to help prepare for a 2nd attempt? Should I just study my weak areas and continue to take PTs? I want to make sure I am fully prepared the second time around. Let me know what you think!! :)

I just received an email from a law school I applied to. I submitted my application for this school yesterday. This morning I received an email saying my application was incomplete. Turns out that my undergraduate transcripts were not received but everything else was including my letters of recommendation. Do you have to assign the transcripts like the letters of recommendation in order for them to be sent? Or is there some other process that one needs to do so LSAC can send the transcripts? Or should LSAC just automatically send them?

Has anyone else had this issue? Thanks

Just wondering (to give myself some hope), has anyone on here seen a twenty point increase from their diagnostic as a result of intensive study? Specifically from the mid 150's to the mid 170's? If so, any advice?

Besides working or volunteering, does anyone have any other ideas for interesting learning experiences? I know I am looking for a way to develop my leadership skills and overall bring a project idea to life. I am also interested in doing legal research for a journal or even volunteering for a law professor, but I can see how it'd be difficult undertaking legal work now without having any any formal legal training.

How do fellow 7sagers view a gap year before law school or simply a gap year from work and school responsibilities? Thanks for sharing!

Hi everyone,

I'll be taking the Oct Lsat on the 14th, and until just now I've been PTing+BR 3 times a week. My PT scores for older PTs (50-69) were within 168-172, but as I started working on the 70's my average PT score declined to the mid 160's. I am worried about the test due to the decrease in my score, so I purchased 7Sage Starter course (I regret I didn't use it earlier) to go over the fundamentals. As of today I used all PTs except the 80's, preptest C, and C2. For the rest of the days until the LSAT, I'm planning to do some 7sage CC (focusing on LR) but also want to do 2 or 3 PTs before the test. Which PTs should I use? And also which of JY's videos among the CC were most helpful to you?

Thank you in advance guys :)

Specifically some questions of LR on section 4. Let me know! I'm around this week. We can do a phone call.

Would appreciate it

Hi all.

I graduated college last December and basically committed myself to studying for the LSAT since January of 2018. I worked a very flexible part-time job that allowed me to study more or less 15-20 hours a week. My original intention was to take the LSAT in June.

However, in hindsight, my studying was pretty ineffective. I went through the Bibles and took very detailed notes and then registered for 7sage in March (also taking very detailed notes on the lessons.) I kind of ignored practice tests or even practice sections. I guess a good analogy would be that I was reading books on how to play the piano without ever practicing on a piano.

I pushed my test to September and tried taking a practice test every week or so beginning in late July. By the time I had taken the test, I had maybe 7 or 8 PTs completed. Unfortunately, I didn't blind review them like I know I should've and I also didn't spend enough time on logic games (always my worst section.) My scores were in the mid 160s with a one time high of 170.

I sat for the September test and ended up with a 162. My diagnostic back in January was 153. I know I have the potential to do a lot better. My goal is a 170. I have a 4.0 GPA and I'd love to go to a T-14 or a T1 school on a large scholarship (I'm very debt averse.)

I left my job and will be committing myself to just taking PTs, timed sections, blind reviewing, and fool proofing from now until November. Is it possible to see an 8 point improvement by the November test? I hope to take 3 PTs a week between now and the exam.

Some other miscellaneous information:

On PTs, my best section has always been LR. I usually got 1-3 wrong on each LR section. For the September exam, I got -15 (9 and 6) on LR - my worst section. Ironically, I did pretty well on LG - only 2 wrong, despite usually going -5 on LG during PTs.

Am I allowed to post about the fairy circles question and get help having someone explain why the answer is what it is? Delete if I’m not. I just really don’t get it.

I was wondering if the following answers are all correct predictions for the following Sufficient Assumption question.

Every student who walks to school goes home for lunch. It follows That some students who have part-time jobs do not walk to School.

Diagramed as: WS -> GHL

/GHL->/WS

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PT some /WS

My predictions:

a. Some students who do not go home for lunch have a part-time job.

b. Every student who does not go home for lunch has a part-time job.

c. Most students who do not go home for lunch have a part-time job.

Thank you :)

Hi everyone,

A lot of the schools that I'm applying to list their letter of reference requirements as "2 required - at least one academic." I was just wondering if it is better to get two academic references or use the other as an employment reference, personal, etc. Is there an preference from law schools on this? I have a few choices for both but I'm just not sure what route to go down.

Thank you all in advance :)

*P.S I'm applying to Canadian schools - not sure if this matters

So unfortunately for those of us who are retaking the LSAT in November explanations for the September 2018 probably won't be available until after we sit for our November exam so I'm looking for any tips to help me( and my fellow retakers) review the September 2018 LSAT. I am definitely a little concerned that I'll hit the questions that I got wrong and even after reviewing the questions I still won't understand why I got them wrong and why the correct answers are correct ?

I'm quite interested in studying health law but many schools don't offer this program. The T-14 only has some schools with health law courses, but there isn't a large focus on it. However, many tier 2/3 schools have health law departments and programs. Should I be focused on getting into the best ranked school I can? Or school I focus on a school that has my interests?