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Is there a PT score/BR score combination at which drilling becomes an ineffectively use of time and instead one should solely focus on PTing with BR?

Or do even folks with PT170+/BR near 180 still drill?

I'm trying to grapple with how much drilling vs. PTing I should be doing

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November'18 Study Group | Blind Review PT 62 | Friday, September 21 | 7:30 PM EST

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Hello! We are starting now :)

Our first decision as a group is when to have our call. There's an admissions seminar this Thursday at 9:00 PM EST: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/17705/admissions-webinar-editing-giveaway-thursday-sep-20-9-p-m-et

Please vote by Tuesday, September 18, 11:59 PM EST for your preference.

If you are done the curriculum or almost done the curriculum, join us when you can. We welcome people in all stages of prep. The point of the group is to get your lsat nerd on with other like-minded people and make the process more fun. Expand your thinking and learning by interacting with others! For my fellow shy-people, everyone is going to be focused on their own answers/questions that I guarantee you they will not be judging you based on mispronounced words, reading-speed, etc. It's all for fun!

Note: Take the PT under timed conditions; BR to the best of your abilities; join us for all or part of the call! For the purposes of the group please don't check the answers beforehand. If you happen to know the answer, keep it to yourself, and win the argument using your reasoning. Also, please don't go "so I know the answer is C but I don't know why B is wrong?" as the purpose is so that we all collaborate on improving our reasoning skills.

Enter the questions you wish to go over on the spreadsheet below! Write your name beside the question(s) you wish to cover, if the question(s) you want to cover are already marked by someone else, add your name! :) The more discussion, the merrier.

Based off of my experience and deliberation with some other folks, we're going to try something new for this group. Instead of having a call every week, we will instead have a call every other week. The reason being is that I think that the process of taking a PT, BR-ing it thoroughly, and doing drills to address weaknesses that were ascertained from that PT/BR can be really taxing when repeated weekly. I noticed, among myself and regulars on the call, that having the call scheduled every week really exacerbated burnout. Especially since people would try to force themselves to attend as many calls as possible because they felt they'd be missing out and would neglect signs of burnout. I realize that this means there won't be as many calls but this was a decision made after much deliberation. After all, PTs are just a snapshot of your understanding, the bulk of your learning happens in BR and drilling. Of course, people are free to take a PT or two every week if they need to.

Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18ZoI9Nu-8SmhPh_MBpz8W6hEcDV1CyhZJVPKDQ7s08E/edit?usp=sharing

Tentative Schedule: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=o5h8pap75saf8pmasoh80m2a80%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America%2FToronto

November 18 Study Group

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Hey fellow 7sagers,

Need some studying advice - not sure if this has already been discussed in the forum previously. If so, I do apologize!

So far, I have sort of carved out this studying plan model:

Phase 1) Finish Content of the Syllabus for RC, LR, LG

Phase 2) Do ALL Problem Sets (Goal: Strengthening my knowledge and foundational skills)

Phase 3) Do Timed Sections from PTS 40 - 60 (Goal: To improve my timing and strategy)

Phase 4) Do All PTS from 60 and above (Goal: Putting everything I have learned altogether & fine tuning my approach)

At the moment - I do not have a set date to write the test, but my prep goal is to help reach about 170. With that stated, I am currently in Phase 2 of my studying and I sort of want to maximize this opportunity. I really want to improve my LG and RC skills during this phase. In LG specifically- being able to recognize patterns & speed improvement. For RC - at least try to complete a passage below 10 minutes & find tuning my annotating skills.

With this in mind - when folks have tried to improve in certain sections, do you try to dedicate a block of studying time for a particular section? To clarify - for example, take two weeks of full LG drilling to improve in LG sections and not studying anything else besides. Simirarily doing the same for RC. Has anyone tried this? Is there any other approach?

Thanks for the help in advance!

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Hi all,

I just bought the LSAT Trainer to supplement my studies with 7sage. For context, I started with the Powerscore Bibles, have done 7sage CC, and have taken 6 PTs. Most recent PT was 165 with a 174 BR:

LG -2 (new PR; finished fool-proofing)

LR -11 (higher than usual despite LR drilling in the past, but I neglected LR for a while b/c of FPing )

RC -5 (new PR)

I am wondering what folks think would be the most effective use of the Trainer.

Keep taking a weekly PT and read the trainer in between? Stop PTing and knock-out the Trainer? Some combination of the two with intermittent PT breaks?

Also, for context I work full-time.

Thanks for everyone's input; I really appreciate it! 7sager's rock

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i was doing some brainstorming on ideas for my personal statement

and wanted to get the communities take on them.

i studied abroad in the middle east for 3 yrs and the academy i studied in lacked a gym . the closest gym to us was about an hour away and exorbitantly expensive. i am a fitness fanatic and after a year of working out in my room with whatever objects i could use as weights i decided that this has to end. i went to the school and petitioned them to give me a room in the dormitory to use as a gym, after many long arguments, they agreed to give me a small room as long as the school would have no expenses from the gym. I then went out and fundraised money for gym equipment and new flooring. i was able to raise a few thousand dollars. i travelled 2 hrs to closest gym supplier and purchased whatever machinery and weights we could afford and the flooring, they shipped it to the academy. and i spent a week installing the flooring myself and building all the equipment, for the next 2 years i did the maintenance and upkeep of the gym until i came back stateside.

any thoughts on this idea would be much appreciated . thanks for reading!

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hey all,

has anyone had experiences/thoughts on applying the negation test to certain RC questions?

So, I feel that for certain "infer" Q's, they're kind of like Must be True questions.

Where there is 1 Must be true AC, and 4 Can be False wrong answer choices.

Thus, for the wrong answer choices, if you negate it, it can be consistent with the passage and true.

On the other hand, for right answer choices, if you negate it, it clearly contradicts the passage.

For example: pretend the passage is just one sentence: The dog is brown.

What can we infer from this passage?

A) The dog is brown

B) The dog can fly

C) Unicorns are blue

D) Dogs are ugly

For Answer choice A, if we negate it (the dog is NOT brown), that directly contradicts the passage, and is thus the right answer choice.

For the other 3 answer choices, they're unsupported, so even if we negate it, it can still be true.

Anyway, does anyone have any feedback/thoughts about this analysis?

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I finished the CC in May, have been doing LG and LR drills, as well as taking a mixture of timed and untimed PTs for the past four months. I am writing the November LSAT, how should I structure my study schedule from now until November to maintain my LG score, and to increase my LR and RC scores. Although RC is my worst section, I have been dedicating a lot of time to LR because I think that's where I can gain the most amount of points given the time left. But since I now have more time to study, how should I tackle RC? Drill one section per day? I also struggle to finishing on time. Any suggestions from you will be greatly appreciated!

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Hello San Diegans,

I'm looking to start a study group in San Diego where we can BR together either in person or on video chat. I've found BR calls on 7sage to be very helpful and I would love to do something similar with local LSAT students. It would probably be once every two weeks and we can BR full PTs and/or timed sections.

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First things first, I understand that the LSAT score is definitely the most important piece of quantitative information on a law school application.

That being said, does anyone have an idea of exactly how much GPA matters? Is it given almost as much consideration as the LSAT, or is it much less significant when compared?

I think that my GPA will be above the median at more schools than my LSAT score, so any advice here is appreciated.

Thanks, and best of luck to everyone applying this cycle.

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Hello,

I've been scoring anywhere between -3 and -6 in each LR section for the past 7 months.

On some lucky days, I have -3 section, but I more frequently get -5 to -6 per section. I just realized that this is a probably score plateau. I use skipping strategies and timing isn't so much of an issue to me.

But I'm starting to think that I'm not improving at this point in LR. Every time I take a fresh LR section, I find it very challenging. I often think, "how am I supposed to tackle all these traps gracefully under 35 minutes?" Too much information to juggle in my poor brain! I've been studying for almost two years, and I've gotten so much better at LR, but it is still so, amazingly difficult!

When you score -3 or under in an LR section, how did you feel when you were taking the section? Did you feel like you nailed it or you had control over it? How many questions were you uncertain of? Did you nevertheless get most of them right?

Based on my plateau experience, I'm sort of developing a hypothesis that in order to score -4 or under per LR section, you shouldn't find the section too challening while taking it. Does LR get/feel easier after you break the plateau?

LSAT is incredibly hard for me, and it's really hard to trust my brain.

I invite a diverse range of scorers to participate in the poll below (vulernable to many flaws, probably :'(). I'd like to inquire into the hearts and minds of other LSAT students and evaluate my own heart and mind.

If you could comment why you selected a particular option and possibly share your score range, that'd be great!

Thank you so much.

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Hi everyone,

One of my letters of recommendation is coming from an elderly retired lawyer who was clerk of the circuit court for almost 30 years. The catch is that he is very nervous around technology. He's old school and even wrote out court dockets by hand. He's told me the idea of typing up the letter on his computer is making him anxious.

My question is - would it be an ethical violation if I typed it for him? I wouldn't change anything, I would have him approve the final product, and I would keep his handwritten letter in my files. Then I would submit it electronically.

But I do not want to do anything shady.

The other option is to have him mail in a handwritten letter. At first I dismissed this idea, thinking it would look unprofessional, but my mentor (not the same person) told me he actually thought it would stand out in a positive way. He said there aren't many handwritten LORs anymore and it could make a good impression.

I've looked for formal guidelines on LOR ethics and haven't found very much. Any advice is appreciated!

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Hey Sagers,

A bit of a strange question here, but here goes: Does anyone know the computer device J.Y. uses (or anything comparable to it) to write on the screen when going through the CC and the questions?

While I am still reserving timed drills and PT's for physical pencil and paper, I think this is a better option to use for drilling other material considering the printing, storing, and maneuvering through hordes of paper of drilling material is cumbersome and expensive. Thus, I am looking for a digital and more eco-friendly alternative.

Any and all help is appreciated!

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New round starting 16 Sept. Based on feedback received from some fine members here, I've made substantial modifications to my PS. Anyone up for another round of edits and comments, this time PS only? Although I kept my original topic and narrative arc, I have made significant changes to the structure and details within my PS. Would love to trade PS's with someone, new eyes or previous viewers. Hit me up if interested.

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I am planning to start recording myself while I am doing drills and reviewing my video footage for both LR and RC just wondering if anyone has a system that works for them, especially for RC.

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I was studying for the Sept. exam but finished the curriculum so close to the exam date I didn't get to take enough PTs before and wasn't exactly where I wanted to be so I withdrew. In the few that I took I was PT'ing in low 160's but BR'ing in high 160's/low 170's. My goal score is a 167 or higher so I know I'm close! I'm good on LR but need to improve in LG & RC and have 2 months to prep. I haven't tried fool-proofing yet, is it smart to spend a whole month fool-proofing or should I just take PTs and drill these two months?

THANK YOU!

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Hey!

Wondering if anyone has attended one(+) of LSAC's law school forums and if yes, what your experience was like?

Also, is there a way to find out which schools will be attending the forum you're interested in? If so, how can I access that?

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How's it going everyone? I am officially registered for the January 2019 LSAT and actively working on 7sage's Ultimate + study material. Through the course of my studying I'd like to set up study sessions with others also registered for the January LSAT and or anyone who would like to join. I'm located in Orange, CA. We could meet up in person or through a medium that allows video chat. If anyone is interested, please let me know by replying to this post/private messaging me. Also, a little bit about me, I am 32, currently working for Progressive Insurance's house counsel, engaged to my best-friend, Arizona State Alum, Marine Veteran and a huge sports fan. My goal score is somewhere in the mid-160s. I hope some of us are able to connect!

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The following is the wording of a question on the Character and Fitness portion of the application for the S.J. Quinney College of Law at the University of Utah:

"Have you ever been disciplined in connection with any misconduct matter related to any educational, personal, professional, military, business, or employment behavior or activity? Being disciplined includes, but is not limited to, being sanctioned, placed on probation, suspended, dismissed, resigning in lieu of termination, surrendering a professional license, or having a civil judgment obtained against you."

Beings the wording of this question states "any misconduct matter related to ANY educational ... behavior or action," would that include disciplinary action in high school? There is a seperate question that specifically asks this type of behavior at post-secondary institutions, as well.

I am concerned because I was suspended for two days in my Senior year of high school for making a sexually suggestive joke toward a teacher. While I don't think it will keep me from being admitted if I disclose, any behavior related to misconduct of a sexual nature can be very detrimental to your show of good character. So does anyone think I should answer "Yes" to this question based on high school disciplinary action?

Thanks for the insight!

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