Hello!

Quick question - when you are fool proofing and make a silly mistake by reading a question incorrectly that you then fix in blind review, do you take the time to add that to your "must full proof" list? Or, do you just move on?

Further, do you look at each game individually and try to get it under the time restrictions 7Sage suggests, or do you calculate your overall timing on a section and see what time you came in at and go from there?

Thanks!

I have never had a law school interview before so I don't know what to expect. Has anyone been through this?

Hey all,

Do you think after an interview you should be sending thank you e-mails to the person who interviewed you? (even if it was over Skype)?

Hello Sages,

I need your advice in logic games. For solving miscellaneous games, what should be the ideal approach? Since those games don't fall into a specified category , I don't know what the starting point should be . While practicing such games , should i spend as much time as possible (may be like 2-3 hrs) to first crack the game on my own instead of trying for 20 mins and then move on to watching the solution.My approach to solve a foreign setup should be able improve on its own as there is no specified way to deal with such games so I am trying in all possible ways to improve that . I am not sure if that is a good way to deal with foreign games. Am i trying the misc games the right way?Thanks.

Hi everyone,

Been a solid month since I posted. After I wrote in February, I took a mental break from everything LSAT related. I got my score back on March 7 and scored 6/7 points lower than my diagnostic (went from solid PTing at 159/160 to a 153 on test day). Needless to say I was pretty upset but I kind of saw it coming. I completely choked on logic games but found LR/RC to be less difficult, which I think shows in my score. I definitely guessed upward of 20 questions in LG (i.e. blindly guessed) and the other questions I didn't guess, I likely got wrong anyway. I knew I was choking on LG in the weeks leading up to the LSAT too. I was just aiming for a 160.

I'm just in general pretty bummed out. I feel like my personal statements were some of the best writing I had done. My reference letters were really strong and relevant (as I had just graduated university when I submitted my apps). I also had very strong leadership experiences and was an exceptionally involved student. I know some may say I still have hope but my top choices have historically never really accepted people with an LSAT score this low.

Now, I feel like if I retake the LSAT and apply for next cycle, my app will be significantly less competitive. I quit my job and studied for the LSAT for ~6 months, which means I've been unemployed and doing nothing but studying since September. Come applications for 2019, my application will have gone from stellar undergraduate student & involved leader to unemployed person in a quarter-life crisis lol. I've been applying for jobs but so far nothing significant has come up.

Hopefully I can muster up the strength to try again and hopefully something that I feel proud to put on my resume will come up. Blah. Just needed to vent a little.

Congratulations to everyone who received the score they were hoping for and/or has gotten into their dream schools. You guys have been super helpful along this journey so far!!

I just finished my core curriculum and it’s practice sets .

I am not sure if I should do the prep test as I planned due to I got more than half wrong in most of the 4-5stars LR questions ! Can anyone give me some advices? Should I review fundamental again or do prep test instead? Thanks for the answers in advance !

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I know the CC is 300 hours of curriculum, and I'm not confident that I'll finish all of it in that time (mind you, my June test is later than yours! Beauty of international living, with the only downside that I have to go to a different country to take the dang test) with enough time to PT and BR. I'm working full time and sneaking in as much studying as I can.

My weakest area right now is LG, with some struggles around LR. My RC is pretty good (nearly perfect, just some sloppy mistakes from me thinking I'm hot stuff for finishing fast). My CD was 162, and the PT I took a week into studying was also a 162 (with a BR of 169, ran out of time on a whole game in LG! ack!). Haven't taken a PT since (they're being shipped to me now from the US), but I've read almost all of the LG Bible and I'm consistently getting -0 on games now when I do the ones in the Bible untimed but I'm still very slow with them. My goal is to be hitting 173+ by June 24th, and I feel like a 10 pt increase when most of those points are in LG isn't too unreasonable?

Do I need the CC in order to get myself to a good spot by end of June? Or should I keep rereading the LG bible, doing drills, doing PTs and BRs, watching the 7Sage videos, waiting for the LR Bible to come in the mail, and hoping really hard? I'm worried about the time that I would throw into the CC, and how that trades off with the time that I ought to be spending doing PTs and BR

Also I don't have consistent internet because I live in rural SE Asia, so I'm not certain how accessible the 7Sage package will be for me?

Hey there everyone. Hope you’re studying is going well. I work full time (M-F/8-6) and just started my LSAT study. Not married, no kids. Is it too soon for me take the June exam? Is 3.5 months adequate time considering my work schedule? Should I spread my study out over 5.5 months and take the September exam?

Hi Guys,

How long does it normally take to receive your scores after you take the LSAT?

If I were to take the newly offered July test date, would that mean that I would be applying to schools before I even knew how well I had done on the test? Any insight, advice, and/or thoughts would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

Charlie

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I’ve benefited greatly from the 7sage course and community, so I’d like to contribute a few lessons learned from this all-too-often infuriating process.

I did minimal research before going all-in on 7sage in March 2017. The design of the course and the feedback from previous students just clicked instantly, so I didn’t hesitate.

I tried to use the June ‘07 test as a diagnostic, but I found that I was so lost when doing the logic games that I just gave up. I imagine I would have been in the 150s at best at that time.

I went through the vast majority of the CC from March-June before taking my first PT. I scored a 163 on PT 36 (timed, 4 sections). I was aiming for 175+ from the beginning to make up for a relatively low GPA (for top schools at least), so I knew I had a good deal of work ahead of me.

I studied an average of 20 hours per week (2-3 hours per work day and 5-10 hours on the weekend) from July through February. That was a combination of finishing the CC, consulting outside resources, drilling/foolproofing, and timed sections and PTs.

I signed up for the September 2017 exam before I was PTing in my desired range because I thought I would make progress more quickly on games than I did. I was really struggling with games overall, but I ended up doing fine on games and getting MURDERED by RC for a 169.

I learned from that experience and dove right into prep for December. I made a lot of progress, but I was studying right up until test day on top of my full time job and ended up mis-bubbling (probably due to exhaustion) for a 167. I moped for a day before resolving to learn from that experience, too.

I kept on working on my weaknesses and focused more on realistic test-day conditions. My PT average slowly crept up to 174 by February, and after taking the whole week before the exam off from anything LSAT-related I lucked out a bit and scored 175, 1 point above my average.

Here are a few things I learned along the way:

Saying that you can do all the problems but just have trouble with timing is like a sprinter saying they would have won the race if they had just gone a bit faster.

There is plenty of value in doing untimed studying and drills when learning the fundamentals. However, it’s important to transition to strict timed conditions as soon as possible, because how you deal with the time constraint is just as important as how well you understand any of the concepts that are being tested.

For an 8 month period I put the LSAT before work, family, friends, fitness, and (especially) recreation.

Getting 20 hours of LSAT prep on top of a 40-hour work week and the rest of daily life was not easy. Everything else went into maintenance mode. I guarded my time religiously- no extra assignments at work, one night out with my partner per week, limited time at the gym, no television, and very little of the reading that I typically enjoy.

20 hours of LSAT prep is not the equivalent of a part-time job in terms of energy- it’s much, much more. After a 35-minute logic games section, especially when I was struggling with them more, I would practically be gasping for breath. That level of focus and concentration is required for me to perform at my best, but it’s also extremely draining.

I used toggl, an online time tracker, to track the amount of time I was actually spending on LSAT prep down to the minute. I also tracked other areas of my life so I could see where I could carve out more time for my #1 priority.

I’ve read that the LSAT is as much a test of emotions as it is of intelligence, and that strikes me as true in my case. Putting in hours and hours and hours of prep over weeks and months only to see miniscule improvement (or even regression like when I went from 169 to 167) will make you question your sanity.

Nothing in my life made it reasonable to presume that I would eventually hit 175. I didn’t score that high on the SAT, I did ok in college, and I’ve been out of school for more than a decade. I was just hoping that I could get there, and that took an awful lot of faith.

Rather than get hung up on any particular section or PT, I focused on slow, steady improvement. I took it on faith that if I put in the time and studied the right way, I would get better at the test. I paid particular attention to my PT average over my previous 5 PTs, and the analytics from 7sage made it easy to know where I should be focusing my time (both between LR, LG, and RC and even down to what question types).

I enjoyed the CC and benefited from it greatly. Once I had the basics down, I got the most benefit from taking full, timed sections and, especially, 5-section PTs under test day conditions, followed by Blind Review.

If I could change one thing about my approach, I would have taken more 5-section PTs using the 7sage proctor. Mental (and even physical) fatigue is a real barrier to performing your best on test day, and that didn’t really sink in for me until I was preparing for my 3rd take.

I think the teaching methodology employed by 7sage is absolutely fantastic. So many times during my study I chose to accept 7sage’s approach without fully understanding at the time why it was necessary. Blind Review, Foolproofing games, and the focus on language and grammar are 3 good examples.

At the same time, no group course will be perfect for any given individual. I supplemented 7sage’s course with a number of LSAT books, partly because I wanted to add a different learning modality but also to fill in some gaps in my understanding. I don’t know if I should mention those resources here, but they probably made up 10-20% of my study and 7sage the vast majority.

I also went against the typical advice of only signing up for the exam when you’re PTing at or above your goal score. I did so because I wanted to learn from the test experience itself, and also because there is a fairly significant range of scores that are possible at any given level of ability, and there’s always the chance that you’ll score at the top or bottom of that range.

I took the test 3 times. Once I was right on my PT average (169/169), once I was well below it (167/172), and once I was just above it (175/174). It’s possible that I could have hit the mark on my 2nd test, and it’s also possible that I could have missed the mark on my 3rd test. There’s no way to account for every single variable that determines your score on test day, so I chose to give myself more chances and that paid off.

I think I’m also going against conventional wisdom by re-taking the exam for a 4th time in June. Most of what I’ve read online says that being at or above a school’s 75th (as 175 is for every school) is all that matters, but I see a material difference in outcomes for people with my GPA and a 175 vs 176-180, so I’m giving it one more shot. No ragrets and all that.

Well, I’ve got a PT to review so I’ll wrap things up here. Sorry if I rambled a bit, I’m still coming to grips with a life-changing score. Happy to answer any questions. Best of luck to everyone just starting out or still grinding away!

Hi - I wasn't sure under which category this question would fit so I chose LR. I am drilling diff types of LR questions from the Question Bank. Is there a way to get analytics for these questions? I only see analytics if we take a full PT.

https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/tv-talk-shows-disagree-question/?ss_completed_lesson=1717

This is a question that I am dealing.

However, since there are different points with JY I wanted to ask others whether I can solve as below:

I eliminated b) since "contributing to the moral decline" does not guarantee real decrease.

I eliminated d) due to "by inviting guest". Moralist did say "TV shows by being shown the least moral people in our society, contributing to the moral decline in our society." However, we cannot say whether it is hosts or guests or any others.

I understand why other answers are all wrong. However, I cannot understand why d) is correct.

I believe this stimulus want me to assume "people shown in the TV shows with the least moral ppl" is guest.

Also, I don't know to what extent I have to assume when I am solving questions.

Need help : (

If University of Michigan is still alive in your cycle, post here if you get any interesting pieces of information which will help the rest of us make our final decision.

I've been noticing a bunch of Michigan love in the comments across 7sage and I'll admit I might be noticing it because I'm leaning Michigan right now with my offers as they are.

I'm also planning on attending the first ASW and will post any interesting things I find out then here.

I first started studying with 7sage back during my junior year of college. Fast forward 2 retakes and 3 months of law school applications later, I'm almost done with my cycle and I've gotten into UMich, UCLA, UT Austin, UMN and WUSTL - all with scholarships. I'm still waiting to hear back from a few schools but barring some incredible stroke of luck, I will be attending UMich and I could not be happier. 7sage increased my score from 162 to 168 and finally to 172 (my cold diagnostic was 150). JY's videos gave me the best LSAT foundation I could possibly have asked for and I'm so happy I found 7sage at the very start of my LSAT journey and didn't waste valuable time and energy elsewhere.

Good luck to everyone studying right now - know that you've made the best decision possible in choosing this amazing course and community (3(/p)

My wife and I were talking about her career during our evening dog walk. She has recently gotten a few nibbles from head hunters looking to steal her from her community outreach clinic and place her into a private practice setting. I asked her what she was thinking. She responded with, "the money would be a whole lot better but I wouldn't be able to help the population that I want to serve". The large majority of her patients are substance abuse mental health patients with low/no income.

I laughed and said that although I totally agree with how she feels, I apparently cannot say "I want to help out under-served populations" when admissions people ask me why I want to be lawyer. She said, "why not". I said, "I have no idea".

Why can't people want to be lawyers just to be able to help the less fortunate through the legal system? I have sat down with a local public defender and discussed his job at length. It sounds exactly like what I hope my career would look like.

Are there other professions in which feeling a call to service is seen as a less than desirable reason to enter?

Hey all,

I'm having some real trouble interpreting LSAC's policies regarding international transcripts. I figured I would post the question here to see if anyone else has had a similar situation.

I will try to explain my situation, and then explain how I am interpreting LSAC's policies as detailed on this page (https://www.lsac.org/jd/applying-to-law-school/international-transcripts) of the LSAC website.

My situation:

During my undergraduate career, I studied abroad in the People's Republic of China for 2 academic semesters. For one semester, I was an exchange student, meaning that my American university was sponsoring my study abroad. The other semester was not sponsored by my university. The two semesters were not completed at the same institution. I completed 21 credit hours of work during these two semesters, less than 1 year (24 credits) at my home university.

The transcripts from both semesters have been submitted and processed by my undergraduate institution, and appear on my transcript as transfer credits.

My interpretation:

Because,

1.My undergraduate institution is located in the United States, and

2. My study abroad was equivalent or less than 1 years worth of undergraduate study, and

3. (at least some) of my work was completed through an overseas study program clearly sponsored by U.S. school

Therefore, I am NOT required to submit each individual transcript from these institutions.

Is this a correct interpretation? I am confused in part because of the bullet points under the "People's Republic of China" heading on the website. Does this heading imply that all transcripts from institutions in the People's Republic of China must be submitted regardless of length or whether or not they were sponsored?

If anyone has any insight for this, please let me know. If I have to get individual transcripts, it's going to be a several month process...

Hey does anyone have any links to informative websites discussing the waitlist process and what to do. Also I'm looking for help regarding LOCI; any samples to read from? Thanks.

Can someone please help me with this question. I've naarrowed it down to A and E. I understand why E is the correct answer but cant figure out why A is wrong

/control --- /morally responsible for it--- /responsible for any consequences

Even though its hard to determine if adults have control, everyone sometimes acts in ways that’s a consequence of treatment received as an infant and infants cant control.

Why cant I conclude A from this?

Just wondering if any 2018 Ontario law school hopefuls have had their OUAC profiles updated with their February score? Mine’s not showing and just want to see if it’s the same for everyone and if so, when they’re usually up by. Thanks!

Hello everyone, I’m currently a full-time undergraduate in my 3rd year of uni and am determined to take the lsat next summer. However, I really need some advice regarding how I should plan this journey. Should I start from taking one of the prep tests or from studying powerscore series? And which category should I start with? I am immensely clueless about where to begin with, please help!!

For point at issue Q's, any advice - on whether to use the chart method with the check and X - or just the more intuitive way where you try to rephrase the disagreement and then just find the correct answer choice?

It's hard to juggle both, and I'm hoping to just to do one and stick with it. Thanks.

I promise not to post every time a decision comes in, but I'm really really stoked to have my first acceptance to one of my top choice schools. YEAH! Literally could not have done it without this community, who helped me through the LSAT trials and tribulations, read essays for me, and been so supportive the whole way. (3 You guys are the best!(/p)

Hey everyone!

Just wondering if others have emailed schools saying that Feb scores are out and how you phrased it? I.e. did you format the email like an LOCI and say that you're still interested in attending X school or did you just say that the scores are out. Or did you do neither of these things haha?

Hopefully that all makes sense thanks everyone for the help :)