Hey all!

I have currently taken 3 PT's and am confident on the LR and RC sections (still room for improvement, but doing well). However, I am consistently getting annihilated in the LG sections (like -10 average). When I am fool proofing individual games, I usually complete them under or close to under the suggested time, but when I take timed sections I still end up usually completing only 3 games and miss 10 questions. I don't know if it is solely a product of the added stress of the clock or if my strategy is just messed up. I usually try to initially find easier games to start with, but I noticed on the last timed section I did I skipped to other games before completing the one I was on. Do others see this as detrimental? I also find myself brute forcing the questions and plugging in the answer choices quite often. It seems I have a difficult time making the inferences up front under timed conditions. Does anyone else struggle with this?

I guess I am wondering if I just need to keep fool proofing the games from the PT's I've already took, or if anyone has specific strategies they use for reducing the stress of the clock? I'm currently doing 1-2 timed sections a day and 1 PT a week. Any help is appreciated!

I see in JY's RC answer explanations he makes mention of specific RC Questions types where he tells the strategy of how to approach that specific question type (Ex. "Function in Context" Questions - "read a little before, read a little after").

Is there a lesson in CC or anywhere that breaks down what we should do/expect for each RC question type?

Thanks.

How do you study for the LSAT? I just finished the CC and watched the post-CC webinar so now the real work begins. I have all summer to study and I want to make the best use of time.

I've been racking my brain as to the best method to go about studying for he November 2018 test, and I know I want to go over the CC again, even if just a month, I already have it outlined and it will help me a lot, I'm sure. And then after that, I think I just need to start taking PT's. If I take two per week, and BR them, do 4 days of LSAT stuff, I should be able to get a decent score. I'm just rambling, but yea, help would be great. IDK, suggestions?

Hi guys,

I haven't written in a while and some of you have seen my posts as I was prepping for the LSAT. I'd like to let you all know that I actually got into law school! I just graduated from undergrad with my BA in Biology and Spanish a week ago and I will be attending U New Hampshire in the Fall! I couldn't have asked for a better school for Intellectual property.

I'm writing this mainly to say thank you all so much for all the help and support so many of you gave me. To those studying, the struggle is so worth it. I actually cried at my own graduation because of the sheer relief and joy I felt. I'm sure many of us on the other side have similar experiences too. :)

Peace out! Study hard and prosper.

#help

I am not understanding PT70 S4 Q3... my 7sage course does not include the video explanations for the PT but I have them through a friend and only have the written Kaplan explanations, which is not helpful at all for this question because they are pretty vague.

It's a flaw question and I cannot for the life of me figure out why A is the answer... I must be messing up some pretty basic logic, which is a bit terrifying two weeks out, but SOS. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to type the questions here (?) but happy to do so if it'd help someone answer.

Thanks in advance!

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can someone please explain to me how the answer for this question is (e) and not (b)? I've been pondering about it for minutes and I still can't understand how that is. (e) says no adult should be responsible for every action he/she performs but premise says "sometimes." Please help. Thank you.

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I am in the early stages of CC and I had a few questions about the problem sets:

When do you do the problem sets? After the lesson or do you keep it for after your BR? I have the ultimate version of 7sage and I know I have all the problem sets. However, I just want to maximize the use of the limited questions we have to study from.

Are the problem sets arranged in terms of difficulty? (Easiest to hardest?)

When you are doing your problem sets – are you timing yourself? If so, how long should one pace themselves to do one LR question? Currently, because I am going through the practice problems and typing up the breakdown of the stimulus, etc. – it takes me about 5 mins or so per one question. I know this is not ideal – but I want to make sure I am going slowly while I am learning the content – rather than going fast and not understanding the concept.

Any help would much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

I think I’ve only done maybe 5 of these ever and I just did a PT (I think PT60) where the first game was like 6 game pieces, at least 2 in both cars, one “driver” in each car. I froze tf up and skipped it and still couldn’t manage to figure it out when I had 6 min left to go back over it. I know it wasn’t that hard I just lost all strategy in the moment.

Anyways, is there a particular name of these grouping game types or does anyone recall any like this?

Grouping/sequencing hybrids I’m fine with but I’m not super experienced with those grouping games where it’s just straight grouping and then the twist is that one is the president.

Hi, I was just wondering, as I am of American Indian descent, but solely four generations ago... I don’t want them to think I’m faking or something and I don’t look of Native Indian descent, but can I still put it in my race category as well as white/European?

When are you not allowed to anymore?

After a diagnostic exam, what is the next step? Blind review? Cry? Sleep? Throw your prep books away? We the people want to know

Hello everyone, super new user here. I'm hoping to write the July/September LSAT for the first time.

I thought I'd open a thread to just have people come here and talk and console each other. God knows how miserable we all are for taking on the beast that is LSAT.

Nonetheless, after much tears, sweat, and frustrations, we much carry on.

Thanks everyone beforehand for participating.

Hey Friends, I'm now pretty discouraged. I'm taking the coming June test. Usually I get around -4/5 on RC, -2/3 on LR per section, and -1/2 on game, so around high 160s,170s sometimes. I just did a timed section on RC, and got almost all questions wrong on a science passage, and -2 on the left three ones, a total of -9 on a single section. This happened a number of times before. Honestly, I am really scared of science passages, especially the ones on biology and physics. Any advice? Can I make any improvements on Science passages in the next two weeks?

Hello!

So I am planning on taking the September 2018 LSAT and have finished CC at this point. I know the general consensus for the next step is to start Fool Proofing but I am still unsure whether I should upgrade to Ultimate+ or use materials that have been passed down to me. I started studying this time last year with an in-person class so I have PTs 42-81 (half of them are already marked in pen/pencil). A friend of mine passed down his used LSAT Trainer, all 3 Powerscore Bibles, and the Powerscore LSAT Game Type Training II (which contains games from PT 21-40 and I could potentially use to Fool Proof).

At this point, I'm conflicted about whether I should upgrade. I know the bundle and drill packs would be nice (plus the fact that all these materials would be unmarked!!!) but I'm not sure if the Ultimate+ cost is justified considering how many of the materials I already have. I would love any insight, especially from people who have shopped around/compared different LSAT materials options! Thank you!!!

Hi, all!

So I’ve noticed that I consistently sit there trying to understand the answer choice for flaw questions “presupposes as evidence the conclusion it is trying to establish” all the time. I also don’t know that I have ever seen that AC be the correct answer, yes each time I waste a solid 15 seconds trying to figure it out/see if the question could fit.

Can anyone help me dissect this and maybe provide some examples? It’s time I stop wasting time on this cookie cutter AC.

Thanks!

I just needed to share with folks who would understand my pride without coming off as arrogant to friends -- I just PT'ed under full testing conditions and got a 174. May or may not have started crying in public.

I have been massively struggling these last few weeks after deciding to retake when the Feb scores came out (was averaging a 168 and got a 164). My average is still right around 168 but I randomly got a 163 the other week and lost it. I wasn't sure if this retake was worth it, felt like I had been wasting my time, and almost decided to let that 164 define me and give up.

I have hit the 170's before but something felt different about this test.

Keep pushing people! It's worth it! Thank you 7sage!

Hi, everyone!

I need some help going through questions 16 and 18 of PT 77, Sec 2.

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A. deleted

Def not - this is not about whether someone should or should not, it is about whether something is or is not harmful

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So, I know this is the answer. But I am confused on how.... How do we know that an individual is interfering? Without having the information that "everyone either pursues folk remedies or conventional treatments" then couldn't someone who is promoting a folk remedy actually just be causing someone who would otherwise seek no remedy to at least be doing something about their health? I feel like there is a gap in this answer and I can't push myself to buy into the 'interfere' portion of this... Please help.

C. deleted

Honesty is not relevant to this case

D. deleted

responsibility is not relevant to this case

E. deleted

-again, responsibility is not important here

Perhaps this is one where I'm overly caught up on semantics and should just let it be and recognize that the other ACs clearly are not correct. However, under timed conditions, I kept feeling like a different AC must have been right given the assumption that came with the word 'interfere'.

Thoughts?

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How important is learning these forms? Is the point that it will help save time on the test by identifying these common forms? I ask because when I read the English part, it makes sense to me, but the lawgic part has me lost, meaning I will have to spend a good amount of time drilling these.

Does anyone know the policy on whether one can register for multiple upcoming tests, e.g., one in September and the other in November, prior to taking the first test?

I am signed up for June 2018, I have never taken the LSAT before, and I am almost certain that I will retake the LSAT June 2019. I plan on taking ~a year to work through the Ultimate package and work my PT score up. I signed up for June 2018 about 3 months ago before realizing I would need MUCH more time to get the score I want. Now I'm faced with the option of either still taking it as "practice" and then retaking it in a year after I've had the chance to get solid training, or skipoing all together. My question is, is it worth the potential harm a lower score will cause my application? I PT between 156-161 and hope to improve my score to the high 160s+ by next year. Wouldn't it be better to just skip June 2018 if I know I will retake regardless? I don't want law schools to see my 150s score if they don't have to, and if I just withdraw then they will be none the wiser.

Or, since its already paid for, should I just suck it up and take it for practice?

I already took the test in Dec 2017 and scored much worse than my PT average.

I have registered for June and I have 25 more days until test date. Currently, I am not PT-ing where I'd like. Considering I have 25 more days to prepare, should I prepare and take the test anyway? If I do not score at my target score, how badly would 3 takes reflect on my profile and rob me of my chances for admissions and financial aid considerations. I am currently 10 points below my target score.

In other words, I am also asking, how bad do multiple takes essentially look on the application? I am an international student i.e. no LSDAS GPA. And my evaluation maybe average or above average.

My goal is to apply for the 2019 cycle regardless.

I do not have the July option as it is not offered in Asia.

Please advice.

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So I should be finished with my CC by the end of this week and I will be starting to take PTs and foolproofing LG by June 4th which gives me enough time to do approximately 14-15 PTs. Is that enough? Too much? Too little? My target score is 163-166 and my cold diagnostic was 151.

Hello All, Hope all of your studying is going well

wanted to address 2 things .

One of the other schools I'm applying to is stating 160+is their competitive lsat score

If I'm lucky I'll be able to get a solid 150/ish give or take.

My target school is 150/155.

If I score less then 160 should I bother applying for that school? They have a lengthy application and my thoery is they won't bother looking at anything less than their target , plus time spent applying for school 2 could be spent cleaning up and submitting an early application for my target school. What's your take ?

Second point ; I'm set to take the july lsat for 2018- was supposed to take in june 2018 but pushed it back.

Right now I'm doing untimed lsats/reviewing areas of weakness / reviewing the cc.

How should I move forward , I was thinking closer to the date to start taking timed lsats - when did you all start taking timed tests ?

thanks in advance

Could somebody explain and provide me with an example of the flaw described below?

" Something that is merely a matter of opinion is treated as if it were subject to verification as a matter of fact".

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