There is a bug in the 7Sage software that is causing me a major issue!
When I first open the question, I am unable to select the highlighter features or select anything in the window. I need to refresh the window to be able to select anything. That resolves the issue, and I am able to select things and use the highlighter. However, it totally warps the timing, and results in a much lower time than is actually accurate. How can I resolve this? Is this a bug that 7Sage needs to resolve?
I got this right within only 24 secs and I tried to think and understand of it intuitively. Also, I tried to identify the subject of the answer choices to see which answers are irrelevant. However. NA have been the hardest for me so far (This was prob the first one I got right) and I don't think I can rely on my intuition as a strategy but I find negating is so difficult for some reason. Does anyone struggle the same with the same thing? For instance, with conditionals I know I need to map it out for certain questions but at the same time I prefer to rely on my intuition because writing it out with various strategies confuses me more somehow...
@ChadC At this point in the process, it's definitely better to take it slow and get it correct. As you practice more you'll get more familiar with the patterns and answer a lot faster!
When JY says I'm surprised the test writers didn't add: "disposal of tanning waste produced with biological catalysts costs roughly the same per pound as disposal of waste produced with the conventional process. That answer would be sufficient (strong) but not necessary."
I don't get how I'm supposed to catch that. Because if we negate the statement, (/roughly the same per pound) meaning it costs slightly MORE per pound of bio vs. pound of chem, wouldn't that be DETRIMENTAL to the argument? Because then we cannot say that bio is cheaper.
@saulgoodman13 I think it would be correct if that were the only answer choice available and other a/c were talking about going to the moon. But if both were available then a/c D covers more information from the stimulus and really really extracts that necessary assumption. Hope this makes sense!
for anyone struggling with these questions i would like to recommend the may 7 2025 recorded class with henry ewing. I struggled badly with these questions and after watching that single class saw considerable improvement in deciphering these questions correctly and quickly.
Not necessarily the most important thing for this question, but be mindful every time you have a conclusion regarding cost that uses percentages in its reasoning. LSAT test makers love to have you assume that being a lesser percentage automatically means cheaper.
The tip of negating a potential answer to see if it is necessary is extremely helpful. I was torn between answer choices E and D, but I saw that negating D would ensure that biological processes were more expensive. (I think...)
I think D refers to the "waste" which is established by the premises in the passage, while E refers to "labor" which is irrelevant since it's not supported by the premises in the passage, and therefore, is wrong.
Is D not just restating the premise? Like doesn't the premise stipulate that the cost for the biological process is not more expensive than the conventional process?
You might have made a similar mistake to me in missing some key words in the stimulus. It says that the cost for both processes is about the same if we don't include the cost to dispose of waste. And then it says that 1 process PRODUCES less waste than the other. I made the mistake, and read that as, it COSTS less for one process to dispose of waste than the other. So answer D is now clarifying the COST of disposing of waste.
HECK YEAH! Even if it's a level 3 question, I actually followed the logic pretty well on this one and was able to anticipate the NA. I was only 2 seconds over target time
its sufficient because it guarantees the sufficient to be 100% true. but its not necessary because the argument doesn't need the disposal of tanning waste produced with biological catalysts and the disposal of waste produced with the conventional process be the same .
the way i think for necessary is like you have to think in terms of desperation. will this argument survive without it? yes it can because there are other ways to ensure that costs in the biological version is less costly than the version in the conventional process.
D absolutely shows that this is the bare minimum this argument needs to even reach that conclusion
What are the parameters for significant? Unless I am missing something, for D to be correct, it would have to say something like "significantly more such that disposal cost for BC supersedes CC," right? Who defines significant? My "reasonable" definition could differ from yours, thus, leading one of us to make an assumption that can be quite different. I just don't see how "significant" necessarily means that BC disposal is cheaper, though i would agree that it probably does.
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There is a bug in the 7Sage software that is causing me a major issue!
When I first open the question, I am unable to select the highlighter features or select anything in the window. I need to refresh the window to be able to select anything. That resolves the issue, and I am able to select things and use the highlighter. However, it totally warps the timing, and results in a much lower time than is actually accurate. How can I resolve this? Is this a bug that 7Sage needs to resolve?
Took me 8 minutes, got it right. A win is a win lol.
I got this right within only 24 secs and I tried to think and understand of it intuitively. Also, I tried to identify the subject of the answer choices to see which answers are irrelevant. However. NA have been the hardest for me so far (This was prob the first one I got right) and I don't think I can rely on my intuition as a strategy but I find negating is so difficult for some reason. Does anyone struggle the same with the same thing? For instance, with conditionals I know I need to map it out for certain questions but at the same time I prefer to rely on my intuition because writing it out with various strategies confuses me more somehow...
@WalnutS34th I think the negation method is helpful for some but just so time consuming and pointless for others
oof 2:43 over but I got it right at least I guess
@ChadC At this point in the process, it's definitely better to take it slow and get it correct. As you practice more you'll get more familiar with the patterns and answer a lot faster!
@JessM Thanks for the reminder. I was 1.30 over and this is good to hear.
getting to the point where i can tell when JY will give an "okayyy"
@ClaireLivesay lmao love it
Got it right! (after 11 minutes of thinking turmoil)
@JessicaVerdugoLopez woah
@JessicaVerdugoLopez Same haha
Sameness???? ahahah
Is it just me or for NA questions I am only relying on POE
idk how i got the right answer but somehow i did lol
When JY says I'm surprised the test writers didn't add: "disposal of tanning waste produced with biological catalysts costs roughly the same per pound as disposal of waste produced with the conventional process. That answer would be sufficient (strong) but not necessary."
I don't get how I'm supposed to catch that. Because if we negate the statement, (/roughly the same per pound) meaning it costs slightly MORE per pound of bio vs. pound of chem, wouldn't that be DETRIMENTAL to the argument? Because then we cannot say that bio is cheaper.
#help
@saulgoodman13 I think it would be correct if that were the only answer choice available and other a/c were talking about going to the moon. But if both were available then a/c D covers more information from the stimulus and really really extracts that necessary assumption. Hope this makes sense!
for anyone struggling with these questions i would like to recommend the may 7 2025 recorded class with henry ewing. I struggled badly with these questions and after watching that single class saw considerable improvement in deciphering these questions correctly and quickly.
this question made my brain explode idk why i had to re read it like 10 times..
RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH SAW STRAIGHT THROUGH THAT % VS ABSOLUTE
chose D and gas lit myself into E fml
Not necessarily the most important thing for this question, but be mindful every time you have a conclusion regarding cost that uses percentages in its reasoning. LSAT test makers love to have you assume that being a lesser percentage automatically means cheaper.
Omg this is brilliant thank u
The tip of negating a potential answer to see if it is necessary is extremely helpful. I was torn between answer choices E and D, but I saw that negating D would ensure that biological processes were more expensive. (I think...)
I think D refers to the "waste" which is established by the premises in the passage, while E refers to "labor" which is irrelevant since it's not supported by the premises in the passage, and therefore, is wrong.
this took me 3 minutes but still slay
slay the boots house down diva momma work... me too
SAME GIRLIE. getting this right and right on blind review is saving me from a third crash out today. Bless up.
I got D timed then second guessed to B in BR
Slay queen
real
Is D not just restating the premise? Like doesn't the premise stipulate that the cost for the biological process is not more expensive than the conventional process?
You might have made a similar mistake to me in missing some key words in the stimulus. It says that the cost for both processes is about the same if we don't include the cost to dispose of waste. And then it says that 1 process PRODUCES less waste than the other. I made the mistake, and read that as, it COSTS less for one process to dispose of waste than the other. So answer D is now clarifying the COST of disposing of waste.
I processed of elimination this one. I was left with only D.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
HECK YEAH! Even if it's a level 3 question, I actually followed the logic pretty well on this one and was able to anticipate the NA. I was only 2 seconds over target time
Wait why would the trap version of answer choice D be sufficient but not necessary?
its sufficient because it guarantees the sufficient to be 100% true. but its not necessary because the argument doesn't need the disposal of tanning waste produced with biological catalysts and the disposal of waste produced with the conventional process be the same .
the way i think for necessary is like you have to think in terms of desperation. will this argument survive without it? yes it can because there are other ways to ensure that costs in the biological version is less costly than the version in the conventional process.
D absolutely shows that this is the bare minimum this argument needs to even reach that conclusion
What are the parameters for significant? Unless I am missing something, for D to be correct, it would have to say something like "significantly more such that disposal cost for BC supersedes CC," right? Who defines significant? My "reasonable" definition could differ from yours, thus, leading one of us to make an assumption that can be quite different. I just don't see how "significant" necessarily means that BC disposal is cheaper, though i would agree that it probably does.