Are you all having professors submit via the Credential Assembly Service? Are you reading them or having them sent in without your review?

I’m trying to write Why Xs for other schools and really struggling bc I’m not as interested in the faculty/clubs/clinics offered by other schools. I know I shouldn’t be thinking so much about extracurriculars during law school and the end goal is to get a job but I really want to make the most out of my law school experience and other coughs more conservative schools don’t offer the same opportunities. Anyone else facing this dilemma or am I the only crazy person who really wants to put all my eggs in one basket and just not go to law school until this school accepts me /facepalms

Hi guys,

I am currently a senior in college and I'm having extreme difficulty finding time to study for the LSAT. I haven't really looked at the LSAT for the three weeks because of school, and I really do not want for this to continue.

To briefly explain, I have classes, and also 22 hours of internship weekly. And because my classes are advanced seminars, I find myself doing my homework on the weekends with no time to study for the LSAT. Can anyone give me advice? I feel like some people have worse schedules than me, and do stellar on the LSAT. Please tell me how you guys studied for this exam. Also my goal is a 165 + and I have been hitting the low 150's. And I am thinking to take the test the earliest March 2019 or June/July 2019.

Thanks guys :)

Hey folks, I wanted to post a few questions here that contain “most” relationships in them that are not that common. They collectively might only take 45 minutes to memorize, and who knows: one might show up on your exam and you can get the point! This is part 1 in what I hope is a 3 part series examining weird most relationships.

The first most relationship I want to discuss takes this following form:

Most As are Bs

Most Bs are not As

The following are 2 questions that make use of this relationship, we are asked for a must be true and the answer to both is the same iteration of the must be true.

Pt 77-4-13

Pt 80-1-22

I have left one other question out. As an exercise, I want you, the reader to try to memorize this form and see if you come across it yourself, that way you can see if you have actually retained the memory and understanding of the form and if you would net the point come test day.

Lets take a look at what these two statements mean. Mr. Ping points this process out in the lessons, but it is worth repeating.

Here is an example:

Most people who live in the United States know who The Beatles are

But, most people who know who The Beatles are do not live in the United States

In combination, what must be true here?

Let’s pretend there are 320 people in the United States and lets assign a number constituting “most” of that set to be those who know who The Beatles are: 200. It might be helpful here to view “most” as simply something equal to or more than 51%. So that assignment of 200 is our “most.” This is a very basic way to look at this concept, there might be more thorough ways to look at it, but I think this will work.

Now let’s rephrase that first statement with something more concrete:

200 out of a total of 320 people in the USA know who the Beatles are

Now let’s look at the other statement and its relationship with the first statement:

But, most people who know who The Beatles are do not live in the United States

Here we are looking at the total set of people who know who The Beatles are and we are making a statement about that set: that that 200 we know comes from the United States constitutes less than half, or less than what we are colloquially calling “most” or more specifically, a maximum 49%, this has to be true in order to make room for the number of people that constitute 51% or more not from the USA who know who The Beatles are. So whatever the rest of that set is (not USA): it must be something more than 200, because if it were less, the statement itself would be false. So what raw number constitutes most in one context does not constitute most in another context.

So the second statement tells us that the 200 we have from the USA falls short of most, and the remainder of the total set of people who know who The Beatles are comes from Not USA. So the total set of people who know who The Beatles are might be 1,000 and 200 come from the USA and 800 from elsewhere/not USA. That is a fact pattern commensurate with our statements. A number that constitutes most (200) in one context is less than half in another context.

Most professional Bull riders are from Texas

Most people from Texas are not professional bull riders

This is an example that might make the idea of sets in this context easier to grasp.

Texas has roughly 30 million people, a set much larger than “professional bull riders.”

In one context “most” means something like 180/300 (bull riders)

And in another context “most” would mean something like 16 million (From Texas)

Intuitively, this makes sense, and I submit so does the must be true inference: that there are more people from Texas than there are professional bull riders.

I have designed a small exercise to help demonstrate this point. Below are 3 total sets that reference our Beatles/USA example above, which one is not commensurate with our fact pattern in the stimulus? Here is a reminder of what the fact pattern in the stimulus is:

Most people who live in the United States know who The Beatles are

But, most people who know who The Beatles are do not live in the United States

Total set:700 know who the Beatles are

USA:200/320 know who The Beatles are

Not USA:500 out of a total set of 700 know who the Beatles are

Total set:300 know who the Beatles are

USA:200/320 know who the Beatles are

Not USA:100 out of a total set of 300 know who the Beatles are

Total set:200,000 know who the Beatles are

USA:200/320 know who The Beatles are

Not USA:199,800 out of a total set of 200,000 know who The Beatles are

That’s correct, set (2) does not fit our fact pattern.

Now here is another intuitive example:

Most people who currently attend Harvard Law School are really smart

Yet, most people in the world who are really smart, don’t currently attend Harvard Law school

Intuitively, we know that the second set “really smart” is a much large set than the total group currently attending Harvard Law school.

Now, try applying a fact pattern to the two questions above and see what emerges as a must be true! Keep this form in mind, it might be rare, but getting it correct could be the difference between a 159 and a 160, or getting it correct quickly and efficiently could free up time that could lead to getting 3 questions correct you otherwise might have been pressed for time when you got to.

You know the drill: I'm open to correcting any mistakes I might have made here.

Thank you for reading!

David

So I'm kinda stressing out. I have until the November test to get my average above 170 and my actual PT score isn't budging. For reference, PT 68 had my highest BR thus far (177) but I still only managed a 165 timed. The LG section for this PT was very unconventional and I went -7. (I was spinning my tires on that last game). I was able to do the section -0 with ease once the clock was out of the equation. Lots of lessons to be learned there but I'm clearly struggling with time management/making mistakes under pressure.

At this point, what's the best use of my time? I really don't want to submit apps with anything less than a 168 so I'm starting to feel the pressure.

Quick question- I currently have LSAT Ultimate, but I am thinking of upgrading to Ultimate +. My current end date for the course is Jan 9th, 2019- if I wanted to say extend my Ultimate + access (after purchasing the upgrade) for another 6 months- (I believe it would automatically jump to Feb 9th, 2019 with the upgrade alone) would that be the standard $75? Thank you!

I just got my score back, after over 48 hours of waiting... 174! I'm so happy with this as I had been PT'ing at 167-169. Especially after registering and cancelling September because I didn't feel ready.

I just wanted to thank you guys for keeping me sane during this entire process and guiding me in the right direction. 7sage curriculum really helped me and I was on autopilot during the test. For anyone who didn't quite get the score they wanted, don't give up hope! Any one of us can improve our mastery of the fundamentals and there will always be time to retake. Just gotta put in the work and believe in yourself. I really appreciate you guys!

P.S. My IRR and disclosure book weren't available after getting the score. Should I be concerned?

Best,

Matt

Quick question for all you full-time working and part-time studying 7sagers. Do you think it's smart to take PTs after a full day's work? The LSAT is administered in the morning so I imagine it's best to get into the habit of taking timed practice tests in the AM. but for those of us who work full time, that limits us to 1 test a week rather than 2.

Hey guys,

I'm taking my first prep test today, and I wanted to clarify what a blind review was.

From my understanding you circle the ones you're entirely unsure of and you review thoses before checking your answers.

However, I plan on blind reviewing the entire test -one section a day, is this a good idea? Moreover, I don't really see myself taking the test until march the earliest or June the latest. I work full time and occasionally i do between 45-and 50 hours a week. my ultimate goal is one prep test a week with one blind review section per day, averaging about 12 hours a week.

I've been through the CC.

is my understanding of BR correct?

is one prep test until june reasonable?

it would seem that many schools have a 2 page limit for the personal statement. Do you guys think i schools will care if i were to make the margins abit bigger to accommodate a bit of a longer essay? i dont think they need to follow a specific format APA..etc, it would seem the only requirement is double space

I just finished CC across the span of about three to four months (very on and off) and did my first timed PT (Prep Test 62) yesterday. I scored a 154 and BRed a 159 (admittedly, I gave up on some of the Logic Games).

My score by section was:

-13 RC. (-6 BR)

-8 LR. (-5 BR)

-10 LG. (I just completely freeze on Logic Games).

-11 LR. (-9 BR)

I got most questions right on the first two RC passages, but I completely ran out of time by the third and fourth which were far harder.

For Logic Games, I plan on using Pacifico's Logic Games Attack Strategy beginning today so hopefully I'll become a lot more familiar with them soon.

I honestly think I'm just straight up bad at LR. It's a huge hit or miss for me mostly and it's all over the place.

I'm just really worried at this point because I really want to attend Law School next cycle which means the November test is pretty much my only shot. Does anyone have any advice or suggestions on how to make the most use of my time from now until then? Currently, I'm not working either due to family issues so I have pretty much the entire day to focus on prepping. Thank you so much!

7Sagers,

On Thursday, September 20, at 9 p.m. ET, I’ll walk you through the factors that affect your chances of admission. Afterwards, members of the 7Sage admissions team will field questions.

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:warning: You’ll have to register for this webinar in advance.

→ Please register for the webinar (Sep 20, 2018 9:00 PM Eastern Time) here: https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_84knpdpURaybC3toFWvkxQ

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email with information about joining the webinar.

Zoom might prompt you to download something before you can join the webinar, so I’d advise you to show up a bit early on Thursday.

I’m visiting my TC next week and have a meeting scheduled wth an admissions advisor. It’s a 20 min meeting...really short. Do I just ask them what they’re looking for in an applicant and let them talk or am I trying o sell myself orrrr

I couldn't find any discussion about what to do in my situation, so here's a post:

I've taken 3 actual tests, done the CC twice, and have taken every available PT at least once. I've also completed all the powerscore books, and the LSAT trainer. I've BRed 180 before and PT at about 170, but can't see to get higher. I think it has a lot to do with my reading speed, which is really slow (max = ~250words/minute), which forces me to be overly aggressive. I think I did average on the Sept test, but still want to be prepared to take the Nov test. I have about 6 weeks left. What do you guys think I should do now? Anyone currently or previously in a similar situation have advice on how to improve, and what to do?

I plan to redo a PT a week, watch some live PTs, record myself doing a few sections, do some confidence drills, and focus on the hardest question types. What do you guys think?

Depending on the school, the students and faculties sometimes talk about clerkship as if they're a really big deal. All I understand about them is that they're prestigious and competitive, and can offer a unique experience. Schools like Cornell seem to pride themselves on it, and use it as a point of advertisement. I am a fan of Cornell, but more for their international law specializations. Other schools like UVA also focus heavily on clerkship. Other schools almost completely gloss over it, even though they have high clerkship placement, like UPenn, Columbia, or UChic. Does anyone here know why clerkship can be such a big deal?

Hello, everyone! I hope the LSAT prep is going as intended.

So, here's a question just out of curiosity. Why law? Why do we want to study law, and become lawyers?

Hello all !

Long time lurker, first time poster.

As the title suggests, I want to take the LSAT but I don't know when nor how I should given the time constraints that I have.

Here's my situation :

Im a canadian student in my 2nd year of undergrad, studying full time and working part time and trying to find a way to study effectively for the LSAT.

I intend to finish my bachelor's degree in 4 years instead of 3 to maintain my gpa and because of my EC's ( where I live a bachelor's degree is 3 instead of 4 years, considering we have a pre-college school ).

The last rule of this LG question is that I need to apply to my desired law school either next year, or after my 4th year.

I bought the powerscore bibles & practice books. I intend on studying them 5-7 hours a week for the next 7 months. Then, my plan is to study full time the whole summer 35-40 hrs a week to take the september LSAT. I will be getting the LSAT ultimate course from 7sage.

My cold diagnostic was 148 ( 12 LG, 33 LR, 12 RC ). Yes, RC just killed me. Last summer, I focused only my reading comprehension skills for 1 month of part time studying and I increased my score to 154.

Do you guys think this is a good study schedule ?

Thanks in advance for reading through this insecure mess and thank you all for being part of this great community.

Hey fellow 7sagers,

Need some studying advice - not sure if this has already been discussed in the forum previously. If so, I do apologize!

So far, I have sort of carved out this studying plan model:

Phase 1) Finish Content of the Syllabus for RC, LR, LG

Phase 2) Do ALL Problem Sets (Goal: Strengthening my knowledge and foundational skills)

Phase 3) Do Timed Sections from PTS 40 - 60 (Goal: To improve my timing and strategy)

Phase 4) Do All PTS from 60 and above (Goal: Putting everything I have learned altogether & fine tuning my approach)

At the moment - I do not have a set date to write the test, but my prep goal is to help reach about 170. With that stated, I am currently in Phase 2 of my studying and I sort of want to maximize this opportunity. I really want to improve my LG and RC skills during this phase. In LG specifically- being able to recognize patterns & speed improvement. For RC - at least try to complete a passage below 10 minutes & find tuning my annotating skills.

With this in mind - when folks have tried to improve in certain sections, do you try to dedicate a block of studying time for a particular section? To clarify - for example, take two weeks of full LG drilling to improve in LG sections and not studying anything else besides. Simirarily doing the same for RC. Has anyone tried this? Is there any other approach?

Thanks for the help in advance!

How do you commit how to solve a question that you got wrong to memory. For example, I always feel that I sometimes forget what I learned from blind reviewing when I apply it to a new prep test. Thank you!

Hey guys,

I just had a general question regarding PT's. So if I wanted to take a 5 section PT, how would I go about adding another section to the PT? For example the PT's within the curriculum only have 4 sections in them and I was confused the other day because there is a 5 section proctor available but all of the PT's are only 4 sections. I don't know if I am asking a pretty obvious question but I couldn't figure out how to simulate 5 sections like i'll need to do test day. Thanks guys and any help is greatly appreciated!

Hi, I just got two acceptance from u of Miami and Georgia state law. I never even been two cities. Just for school wise, where shall I go? Thinking to focus in M and A

I'm using the basic 7sage in combination with powerscore bibles and workbooks. anyone doing the same? and which do you use first or in combination? kinda confused how to go about it for maximum benefit.

I know during the actual LSAT, it'll be 5 sections. Does anyone know what JY recommends? If it's recommended to use 5, I'll just take a section from an earlier PT and add it in.

Lol, it's dumb but I'm actually seriously wondering.

Can we get away with imperfect bubbling? When taking practice tests, I avoid bubbling outside the circle, but I don't prioritize completely filling in the bubbles - many are mostly filled, but not completely filled. Is that ok?

When should you start focusing on studying with timing/timing questions for LR?

I know when you are doing the core lessons it is not recommended. However, if you are doing the problem sets, should you practice with 1:30 timer per question? I am just trying to figure out ways I can start helping myself prep in a manner to build that "internal clock" that is needed when doing timed sections in the future.

Any help would be much appreciated!