Hey I was a really high scorer headed into Sept averaging 175, but was really disappointed when I received my 167. I worked all summer on LR after going -9 in June, and was shocked to see -9 once again in Sept. For reference over 20 PT's in the summer I never did worse than -6 on LR combined and my range was -0 to -4 combined. I got the test back and could see that lack of sleep and nerves got to me as I missed my first ever MC question in any test ever and a few others that were insanely easy, but I can't lie there are a couple that have me completely stumped which is really rare for me.

Also holy hell, some of those RC questions were ridiculous. Anyone able to figure out why #7 and #18 were right in those sections? I wanted to see if we could discuss some of the questions on this test because it's killing me lol.

Would anyone at 7sage be willing to settle the debate about whether the curve on older PT's (0-30's) really is easier than new PT's(70's-80's). This gets brought up in forums constantly. You guy's have all the data necessary to determine this. Do users tend to score higher on older tests vs newer tests?

Anyone’s marker turn grey yet?

Hi All! I joined 7sage about a month ago and am currently near 40% through the CC of the starter pack. I'm taking it in December for the second time after taking a Testmasters course for the June exam (cancelled score because got nervous). I feel like i'm understanding everything so much better already, but I'm afraid I won't have enough time for real practice tests after I finish it all since the exam is coming up soon. I remember timing was an issue for me. What should I list as my "end" date for my study schedule? I can only study max 3-4 hrs a day since I work full-time unfortunately.

Thank you!!

Apparently if you start a fee waiver application it puts your account on hold until you finish it which means that you don't get your score until it is resolved. I got the hold removed today around 2pm PST, is it possible my score comes in today by 5? Or am I going to get it tomorrow?

I feel like the guy who came to the party-before-Armageddon on the day after.

Hi all,

I am in a bit of a quandary: I had a ugrad gpa of 3.84 from a top 30 undergrad (graduated with many national honors), currently am working full time and doing my MEd in ed policy and leadership (grad gpa 3.9), on the board of a local non-profit and other strong soft markers, but my lsat was 158, aka WAY LOWER than reflects my ability but was where I was testing during practice. I have never been good at non-subject based standardized tests so I know it doesn't reflect my inherent academic aptitude. I don't have the time in my schedule to take it again so I really just don't know where to move forward. I think I'm just going to apply to my school list anyway and hope for the value of a holistic review. Anybody know of any success of people in similar positions?

Hi,

I don't know if anyone else has experienced this-

When I take a PT first thing in the morning Vs when I take a Pt Late afternoon/evening my scores differ substantially. I end up scoring higher on the morning PT's and find myself a lot more distracted in the evenings.

Thankfully, the test is in the morning but it's making it hard for me to analyse my tests.

I'm going to take all my PT's in the morning now, since my last Pt which I took Late afternoon has really discouraged me :(

Any insights on how to analyse test results in such a case? Also, how long does it usually take most of you to BR, I find myself BR'ing almost for an entire day after each PT (4-6 hours) and can't BR on the same day of the test. How can I be more efficient with that?

Thanks in Advance

Hi everyone,

First of all, thank you for clicking into this post.

So, my Sept LSAT score is 141, higher than my diagnostic, but much lower than my practice test score. My timed PT average is 150+, and my BR average is 160+, so the 141 is a total surprise, and I am greatly discouraged right now.

I work full time, so my study schedule was maximum 2 hours Mon - Fri, and 8 to 10 hours for Sat and Sun.

I have signed up to retake the LSAT in Dec, and planned to sign up for the Feb as well since the Dec score won't be out before the registration deadline.

"I Need Someone......To Show Me My Place In All This." What should I do from now on so I could achieve my goal of a 160+?

Thank you in advance.

(P.S. I need to enroll into law school in this cycle. My parents are old and not as healthy as before, I want to make sure they could see me graduate before they are gone forever.)

Hi guys,

I received a167 on the September LSAT and I have 3.84 GPA from top 30 UG. I am also working as a CPA at a big 4 if this matters at all.

My PT average was around170 - ranging from 163(outlier) to 176. I was somewhat disappointed to see I scored 167, so I am retaking in December. My goal is to bring my score up to low-mid 170s.

So far, I have used PS LR Bible, Manhattan LR and RC, and 7sage videos for LG. I ran out of fresh PTs and I have to confess I did not properly blind review the PTs I have taken, which kind of explains -9 in LR.

My plan for December test is to read LSAT trainer, which I purchased literally 5 seconds after I found my score out, for LR and RC to improve my weak areas and also to thoroughly blind review every PT I retake from now on.

Just want to hear you guys’ opinions if I should add anything to my plan..or I guess if anyone wants to share your story going from 165-169 ranges to 170-175, I’d really appreciate.

Thanks, guys.

Feel gutted by the test. It was such a weird mix.

I went perfect on LG -0

I did horrible on LR -8/-5

I did horrible on RC -7

My lowest PT in the 3 months prior to the Sept test was a 163. My highest was a 174.

So here I am. 163 and feeling pretty beat down. Since I'm a splitter obviously I'm not getting into the schools I had hoped for. (2.7 GPA)

I also have a ton of pressure on me so I have to apply this cycle, just not many ways around it...so idk what to do...retake in December and pray? Apply with this score now and pray? Lower my standards considerably?

This test sucks some times

Hi there. I received my Sept LSAT score (167) last night and scored substantially lower than my prep-tests (avg173). I knew walking out of the test that my score would be lower as I screwed up the timing on my RC section pretty substantially and ended up rushing through the last passage, barely reading and answering the questions. My top school is NYU -- I was planning on applying ED and for the RTK scholarship. I am going to retake in December, but this eliminates the opportunity to apply ED and for the RTK scholarship ( I think?).

I guess I'm wondering if there are any other options-- is there any point in applying ED with my Sept. LSAT score and allowing my December score to come in later? Or is it possible to apply to the RTK scholarship with a Dec LSAT score (the application is technically due Jan 1st. but Dec. LSAT score release date is Jan 4th).

Applying as early as possible is something that has been emphasized so much by advisors that I guess I'm feeling apprehensive about a December retake, but I am confident that I can raise my score by at least 3 pts.

Any Advice would be much appreciated.

First things first....Hello. I've had this account for some while now, and upon the great debacle that took place during my first go around back in September I decided to see if there's anybody out there that can point me in the direction of sanity.

Leading up to the September Lsat, I self studied for four months, five days a week, at about 6 hours per day. Not really having any concrete approach to go off of I figured that this would be the proper approach. Using the powerscore literature and just about every prep-test, I had averaged in the lower 160s and had convinced myself that the method of studying I chose was producing the wanted outcome.

I scored 142, in September.

While I can't completely explain what happened, I do believe that time management could be part of the issue for me.....outside of that I'm not too sure where to go from here, and I'm looking for some guidance. I can't really afford the effective courses, and what I can afford may not be enough....with that being said my GoFundMe is...kidding.

Somebody help me push the restart button before December gets here.

Thanks

I just got my score back and its not pretty. I am aiming to take June 2018, since I need like 20 points improvement to have a shot at any Top law schools. I used a bunch of top company materials like (Testmasters, Powerscore, etc) but I don't think they have worked for me/I work at a huge law firm so it was a struggle to be able to leave work on time to study. : ( I am wondering if I should start studying all over with 7Sage or go back over the old books and materials? I don't want to waste time/money again on huge prep courses. I also need someone there to possibly ask questions which I didn't really have before, so is there like an office hours? or online skype tutor? Sorry for the long post.

I just want to say "thank you" and give well wishes to everyone involved in this site and community for providing a sense of direction, instruction, and motivation in this long arduous journey of LSAT study. I won't go into my own difficult journey and relationship to the test now, since it would distract from how grateful I am. Going into this cycle, I set what I thought was a reasonable goal of not getting less than a 167 and everything else was a "cherry on top." I never dreamed that there would be very many cherries on top, but none of this would have been possible without the videos, study groups, or the very many comments and helpful discussions that I had throughout the process. This is not hyperbole: writing my PhD thesis, teaching a course, and trying to handle the obligations of life would not have allowed me--who has a track record of being very (very, very, very) terrible at "tasking", let alone multitasking (hats off to the parents out there)--to progress at faster than a snail's pace on my competence and confidence with the test.--That is, not without 7sage and you all. I'm so glad to have had your help and guidence; I really appreciate it.

Moving forward, I plan on continuing my involvement in this community--especially, as I haven't even begun to really work on applications--and am more than happy to assist others in any way I can. All anyone has to do is reach out; I'll also be patrolling the boards to offer my two cents (where I think it might be worth 2 cents). But a thousand thanks to all of you; 7sage and the 7sage community has already been well worth it.--A.c.S

If so, I was wondering is someone could break down one of the LR questions for me?

Hi, everyone. I'd like to start by saying I just now encountered 7Sage for the first time and quickly decided to get an account. I've spent some time today reading through the discussions and it has already been helpful. Though it has calmed some of my anxieties, I feel I have created a new one. There are many discussions in which I have read people commenting they study 8 hours a day, and it honestly had me panic a bit. I work full- time and do not have the time to be studying 8 hours a day without a burnout. Considering my September LSAT score (first LSAT I have taken), I feel like I SHOULD be studying for that long. How can this be, though? How is it possible to study for so long while maintaining a full time job? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Hi! Before everyone tells me to retake.... I am :) I received my LSAT score last night and I got a 149. While this was a 10 point increase from my diagnostic and I should be excited about that, we all know that this isn't going to get me into a T2 or T1 school. While a T1 school would be AMAZING, I am totally okay with going to a T2 school especially the ones in my region. That being said a score in the high 150's - low 160's would be ideal. When I was PTing, I was in this range which is why my score is sort of a surprise. Funny enough, I am not depressed nor have I even cried because I KNEW that damn 1st LR really fucked my day up. I increased dramatically on timing but I think now my issue is accuracy (where before it was the opposite).

Anyways, I need help trying to put together a study schedule, who to ask to help tutor me ( & do you accept credit cards @"Cant Get Right" ), if I should totally scratch 7sage and do an in-class program? I have a 3.65 GPA, a URM, extensive work experience, and hopefully a good personal statement (if anyone wants to read it). I have signed up for December so let's get to it!

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Congratulations! You have completed and survived a fully time and administered LSAT. Regardless of score this is a huge feat!

For those that achieved their goal score or better, an extra congrats to you! Your hard work and dedication payed off! You earned your score be proud!

For the rest of us, well don't let it get you down. We have to get back up and start working hard again. Our goals are attainable, we just need to keep on working to get there. Let those who succeed motivate you to keep working toward success! We need to trust in the method and really put our all into the test.

Do not beat yourself up, or let it define you. Just because you failed once doesn't mean you will have the same outcome again. Get back up and keep on running!

Hi everyone!! I wrote my Sept 2017 LSAT a month ago and before that I was scoring consistently in the high 160's to the early 170's on all my prep tests. I got my LSAT score today and scored a 158. I am genuinely confused and I don't know what went wrong. I get bad test day anxiety and I have never even scored lower than 163 even when I had just started pt-ing.

I wrote the June 2017 LSAT as well and had really bad anxiety and got 160.

I don't know what I can do for December. My fundamentals are pretty solid considering I was hitting 170's even on very recent prep tests.

I am concerned as well that I did worse on the second time round and what law schools will think when they see that. Any advice on that?

I know that I can do well on the LSAT but I don't know what happens on test date and how to overcome that anxiety that gets me a score that is not representative of my abilities. Do I have enough time to make enough of a difference before December?

It seems that after each LSAT exam, companies like Powerscore and others recap the exam, and discuss the amount and difficulty of questions. Is this helpful to us? IE, does the degree of difficulty of one exam predict the degree of difficulty of the following exam?

Hi there! So I just took the September test and received my score which ended up being even lower than all my PTs. I self-studied with the powerscore books and took dozens of PTs, felt pretty prepared. I also studied with 7sage's free video explanations which helped A LOT! I'm thinking I just need to dig a little deeper. Looking to up my score 6-8 points. I'm looking towards the starter because it's cheaper and I can actually afford that, unlike the others. Would I be fine doing the Starter or should I just look somewhere else at another course?

So I got my score, and although I'm not sad about it, I'm not jumping for joy. My dream school is Northwestern, and my score is one point below the median. I know this doesn't put me in a great place (GPA is 3.6). I also know that it looks like I'm the perfect example of someone who should retake.

However, I put my heart and soul into this last exam. I was PTing in the 170s (took a proctored June 2017 LSAT as a PT and got a 170). I feel like I would be taking the December test for a chance I get lucky because I don't think I can improve my LSAT capabilities. Also, work will really be ramping up for me in the next couple weeks.

Any advice? My main concern is that I know the earlier you apply, the better your chances, but how much should that factor into your decision?

I got a 167 on the september test, and I am happy with it but i was hoping for a 170+

Cornell is my dream school, so i was hoping to get peoples' opinions here and see if i should take one more shot at the test?

hope everyone who took the test performed as they wished!!

I took my first LSAT this September and just got my score back. I now have to study for the December one but I'm lost in where to start. I took almost all of the PTs from 36-80 but haven't finished the Core Curriculum. So I plan on finishing the CC but I'm not sure if I should be taking a PT every week from now on (but I took most of the PTs so I feel like my score will severely inflated) or...

I would sincerely appreciate your advice on how you all studied or plan to study for your second time around!