Hey 7Sagers, had a user email me in with a question that I thought you'd be great at answering. Here it is:

Hi All,

I need your help urgently! I have been wanting to go to law school for years but was never able to score highly enough on the practice tests. Then I quit my job and decided to take a class and study full time. I picked 7Sage over all the other classes that I researched. I started March 18th and was at 144 on the June 2007 test now that I did the course I have been taking practice tests and I got a 134. I had been hoping to take the June test but decided to push back until September. So many questions for you. 1. Was the 7Sage course a waste of time and money since my score dropped 10 points? 2. What should I do now? Take practice tests and get a tutor to go over it with me? Do any of you tutor? Anyone willing to work with me? Thanks for your help in advance.

Good day. I've been mulling over in my mind which study course to purchase. I am stuck between purchasing Ultimate or Ultimate+. I am currently off for the summer with a lot of time on my hands. It is my hope to sit for the December LSAT. If necessary, I am able to study for long hours. I am not familiar with the LSAT at all and need some advise. Thank you.

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Hello,

I just restarted my full length practice after a while, scored a 164 for pt 52 last week and 172 for pt 51 this week (WTH)..I was also sick while doing PT 52 last week but I doubt that is the reason since I only improved 2 points after BR. Should I attribute this to differences in the level of difficulty? How do you guys keep your score consistent?

THANKSSS

Can I ask what the rules of the game were? I'm trying to recreate the game and do it and see if I got a question right/wrong. No answers, no inferences, just what was stated?

Thx.

So im definetly taking the December test even though i just took the june one, the goal is start off with prep tests 1 per week till around sept then 2 per week til nov and down to 1 till test day.. BRing during the week before the next week. should i take a two week break or just jump rightback on the settle ?

Hey everyone,

I just wanted to share a great book I came across called "How to Lie with Statistics" by Darrell Huff (it's an old classic)

https://www.amazon.ca/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728

If you are like me and numbers aren't your strongest suit, this book is a life saver. It's short and easy to read (you could whip through it in a day) and will help you a lot with questions on the LSAT that have to do with finding statistical errors or finding problems with uses of averages, which is where I found I had some weaknesses. Highly recommend.

Here is the overview:

"Darrell Huff runs the gamut of every popularly used type of statistic, probes such things as the sample study, the tabulation method, the interview technique, or the way the results are derived from the figures, and points out the countless number of dodges which are used to fool rather than to inform."

I'm watching all of the videos on how to break down each question on the 2007 diagnostic. What are some things I should take note of, or what did you guys do to get the most out of the explanations? I feel like I'm seeing how the question is being broken down/ how the right answer is being found.

Law school admissions have personal statements you must complete to apply. However, many have different requirements such as "2-5 pages" or "250 word max," so I am assuming you cant really write a generic one because it might violate those directions (for example 250 word max is about a page). A lot of schools I have looked up dont seem to have any directions or even mention personal statement on their law admissions page (WashU for example). Where do you find out the specific directions for the personal statement?

Hello all!

I finished the CC from the starter 7Sage prep and did a 1 PT, then I upgraded to the Ultimate+ and I am wondering if I should go back and finish the drills/problem sets from the CC that I now have access to because I upgraded to the Ultimate+ or if I should continue doing PT's?

Thank you for the help :)

The first time I heard the world LSAT I was watching Suits and I thought come on Mike how difficult it can be. Fast forward a year and I was just done with my diagnostic PT and it was a 148. My first thought was, LSAT is pretty hard. It was so hard that I gave it up for a month to reassessed my life plan and at the end of it I registered for December 2015 test and decided I gonna study LSAT full-time for couple of months and get a 160 which would get me into a decent Law School.

So, I borrowed a Kaplan LSAT book from library and finished it after a month by going to library from 08:00 am to 04:30 pm five days a week. Turned out it was the worse decision that I made during my prep because after finishing the book and taking another PT I got 149. My first thought was it must be the book so I bought power score books and finished them in one month by studying 08:00 am to 04:30 pm seven days a week.

During the same time I was watching YouTube videos about LSAT as break. YouTube being YouTube suggested a lot of LSAT related videos including 7Sage LG videos. I was afraid to take another PT so I printed out all the games from PT1-35 and sort them out based on the game type and did them under timed condition and watched J.Y. explanation for each of them afterward. By this time it was a week before December test I took PT 70 and I only got 152 and realized I will not get a 160 on December test and ended up withdrawing from the test. At that point I decided if I am going to do this I gonna do it right.

So I searched for an in person LSAT course but luckily there was none in my city, which forced me to signed up with an online company. I chose 7Sage one week free trial course, because I had not tried this one yet, bought and read most of LSAT Trainer as well as BRing the three PT that I took in two to three weeks. The free trial course was decent enough so I bought the Ultimate package and went through the core curriculum in three months. During this time, I was studying 07:30 am to 08:30 pm seven days a week. I made a mistake please do not study more that 6-7 hours, I burnt out two or three times and lost around 44 lb unnecessarily. The next step in my prep was fool-proofing all the LG games from PT 1-35 and attending all the webinars by different Sages. Needless to say, I postponed more than once, the more I learned about LSAT the less ready I felt.

The last phase of my prep took more than five months and consisted of taking 32 full-timed PTs and a lot of individual sections. Every PT that I took I made sure to BR it thoroughly on my own and then attend the BR call for it before scoring it. I progressively improved but when I reached 167 I stuck there and I could not go higher, I got a 171 once but it was mostly luck. I reached out to 7Sage community and got help from mentors like @twssmith , @Sami and @nessa.k13.0. I am glad that I got @"Cant Get Right" as my tutor to advise me and go through difficult questions and my PT recordings with me to point out my mistakes a month before the test.

The highest score that I got on a PT was a 172. On the actual test, I managed to get a 173. Thank you 7Sage for helping me increase my score from 148 to 173.

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone would have any ideas/suggestions for study plans in preparing for the September exam. I have gone through the CC and have been taking PT's but am looking for new ideas.

Thanks!

Does anyone have any advice on staying motivated while working full time. I try to do 3-4 hours every day after work, but some days I am just so exhausted.

I started studying in March, and was planning on taking in June, but I pushed it back to September because I didn't feel ready.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated :)

According to DeMorgan's Law Theory, And becomes Or when contrapositive. Correct?

Then, I wonder why

A if and only if A (AB = A->B AND B->A)

becomes /A/B (/B->/A AND /A->/B)

instead of /B->/A OR /A->/B

I know that we need AND to satisfy the valid argument, but how do we automatically know that the statement only deals with inclusive or?

Can someone clarify plz? Thanks! :)

This test really confirmed for me that the only thing that will surprise me or really blind side me is the stuff I didn't study for. No matter how well I did on this test, I know that I didn't do as well as I could have done on RC and I'm confident that any problem in my score will be a result of RC.

Knowing this, I urge all of us to really Focus less on stressing out and more on practicing for a possible retake in September. There is absolutely no reason that we shouldn't be able to raise our scores especially by studying the parts of the LSAT we've been neglecting. By being well versed in each section, we have a safety cushion where we can afford to slip up a point or two a section and score very high. But even if we're doing well on every section but, say RC, then chances are that we make a few mistakes here and there on other sections combined, and come across a hard RC and go -8. Now you better hope that the rest of the test you make only two or so mistakes which is really tough...

We didn't get unlucky with this test. The LG and LR were definitely easy compared to some other PTS. The LG wash breeze and I'm sure we've seen tougher LR. the RC was the hardest ever. Even if it were easier, then the rest of the test would have been balanced accordingly. So the point is to be so good at each section that you can rest your score on the hardest section. If I could do one thing differently that I also wanted to do for the June LSAT which I didn't, it's to start studying now so if I need to retake I'm ahead and if I don't then big deal since my mind was at ease.

Good luck guys, don't be afraid to retake. We all know deep down what LSAT skills we could work on. It's the questions you wish you don't see on your test. Those r the ones to really practice.

Maybe it's just me, but as I've been going through the PTs, I've noticed that recent LSATs increasingly contain answers that are hard to like. By that I mean the correct answer to a question is the best fit out of the available ones, rather than a straight up good fit if, say, taken in a vacuum.

LR answers don't seem to be as logically tight as they used to be, and RC answers require more.... mental gymnastics than they did in the past. Whether that translates to a harder exam is anybody's guess.

I don't have much of the same sentiment re: LG. All I can say about them (again, purely my two cents) is they seem to be tough because of tedium more so than anything else, for recent games that is.

But then again, maybe I'm just trying too hard to see something that isn't there.

I'm on the road so I can't post the full write up, but for those of you who took the digital LSAT, I just got an email with the results. Go check it out!

Sad thing is they didn't seem to break up the experimental, so there's no way to use the score as an accurate reflection of your performance.

Hey guys,

I just wanted to get your opinion on different law school admissions consultants. I want to get help with the whole application process, but I don't want to spend thousands of dollars. Does anyone know of any companies that charge reasonable prices for assistance with portions of the application process or even the entire app process?

Thanks

This is a X-post from R/LSAT so any reddit users here you may have seen this already.

Last night I had a nightmare about the LSAT. I was taking the actual test and really had to go to the bathroom, (nightmare enough). I got up to go to the restroom, and on the way back I got lost in the halls. I started to panic and ask people for directions. They only responded with logical flaws.

"I'm sorry but you are confusing your sufficient and necessary statements."

"You equivocated the term restroom"

It felt like I was actually in hell. Then I woke up and now find it funny.

So 7sage, what LSAT dreams/nightmares have you experienced?

Hi Sagers!!!

I have a question. I was wondering if anyone knew of anyone who transferred from a lower ranked law school to a higher ranked law school? If so, was it an easy process? Also, what did they have to have in order to apply for transfer?

Thanks,

~M

The professor I'm going to ask took a job at his alma mater 7 hours away so I can't ask him in person anymore. What is the procedure for asking for a letter of recommendation by email? For example what forms, information, etc. should I send to him and does he send the LoR directly to LSAC if he chooses to write it?

Thanks.

Ramadan starts this weekend, and I thought I would make a discussion post for those observing it this year. As much as I love this month, I am bit worried about how I will be able to manage fasting, studying, Taraweeh (night prayer), and Suhoor (pre-dawn meal), or even just the first two. Fasting time is 19 hours where I am.

Regardless of how you practice Ramadan, or the various commitments you have going on, or the fact that we may be at different stages on our LSAT journey, I would still love to hear about the tips and strategies that you use or plan to use during this month. Even a rough outline of your study schedule might help me or someone else browsing through. As of now, I am just going to dive into the first few days and see what works and what doesn't.

Thanks!

Cross posted with r/lsat

While prepping, how many full timed PTs did you take? I have access to 1-80+ (but am using 1-35 for drilling/fool proofing). I'm very overwhelmed by the prospect of doing 45+ PTs. That feels like... a lot. So how many did you do - do you feel you didn't do enough? Too much? Just right? If you have Ultimate+, did you utilize all of the PTs?

As of now I'm looking at doing 2-3 a week with blind review, starting in July. That would allow me to get through every single PT 36+. But damn that feels like a lot and wouldn't give me any more material if I decide to retake after Dec.

10/10

Genuinely could not have been a better environment. The entire group of test-takers was split into three subgroups (sounds like the start of a logic game). I can't speak to the conditions in the other room, but I assume logistically they were all the same.

Proctors: My room had two proctors. We got started right on time. They were professional, competent, and kind. They had a calming presence, which was much appreciated. One proctor kept time, the other handed out and collected materials. The timing was done perfectly -- consistent 5-minute warnings, and she used a silent digital timer, so I had no worry that we were being shortchanged on the timing.

Facilities: Bathrooms next door. AC was on but not excessive. Lighting was good. There was a clock in the room -- I used an analog watch with a bezel (makes tracking time much easier). There was a water fountain along with vending machines that you are able to access before the exam. My room also had access during the break -- not sure if others did as well.

What kind of room: Typical classroom. Fit 20 or so test takers very comfortably.

Desks: Full desks. Plenty big enough. I practiced using a huge desk and noticed no difference. Not those flimsy retractable chair desks.

Left-handed accommodation: Unclear

Noise levels: I have this theory of social settings that there perpetually exists one person who keeps any given environment from being perfect (e.g. the one person who talks at the movie theater, the one person at the library who talks on the phone during finals week, the one person who coughs throughout an exam (not that I blame them -- but they always exist)). This time...perfect silence. So silent, in fact, at times I felt awkward underlining because I worried it might distract people around me.

Parking: There's a roundabout when you pull into the university. Go into it and take the last right before the exit. You'll see signs. Parking is to the left, and the test is in a building to the right. It's less than a 5 minute walk.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: We get started right away. They split us into three groups at 12:30, and then we started filling out the logistical ovals around 12:35. Think we started Section 1 around 1.

Irregularities or mishaps: 0

Would you take the test here again? I hope I don't have to, but absolutely.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 12, 2017

Hey all,

How crazy strict is LSAC with the photos? Does it literally have to fill up every bit of that little square thing?

My photo is a professional headshot but when I uploaded it, it doesn't fill up the square thing.