I don’t know why but I’m struggling with SA. During the quiz exercises I’ve done pretty well, but then I get to the problem sets and it just seems to take forever. Anyone else experience this? What was your remedy for this?

So, I've just finished the instructional videos for the Necessary Assumption lesson. This is the first time since starting JY's lessons that I feel sorta lost. I've gotten ~5-6 of the instructionally-led questions wrong, which is a little disheartening...

Before I hit the practice sets, I want to get a sense of the strategies that are out there for tackling and (eventually) fool-proofing NA questions. That way I can apply them when I'm practicing to figure out which approaches I jive well with.

All tips are appreciated!

Hi all,

Sorry for not posting this in the question itself. I have premium so I'm not able to access all the explanations.

I’m not understanding the answer to S4 number 4. The problem reads:

I don’t understand why D is right and E is wrong. I do understand the logic of D, but “eradicate” means to kill off entirely. If the black spot and tar spot returned after the pollution decreased, the two diseases were not actually eradicated. For this reason, I selected E, which while imperfect was the only remaining option that strengthened it.

Would love some assistance if anyone can help me out. Thanks! :)

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I’m not starting CC until next month but I want to practice LG with JYs videos until then, does anyone know which year to start going back from so as not to interfere with practice working through CC (and obv. not burning PTs)

Side note: I’m taking June 2019 so I plan on taking a minimum of 40 PTs over the next year

So far, I have treated Only A is B as B-->A. So far so good.

Recently, I have come across this question:

Does the statement "only A is B" deny other necessary conditions?

If so, does that amount to A--> (anything not B ) a false statement (such as A-->C)?

Here's why I pose the above question.

The word 'only' seems to imply exclusivity. Take this example: "Only you are the winner of this competition."

(and in this competition, it is possible to have multiple winners. It just happens to be that you are the only winner

I lay this down to rule out 'context' issue)

To me, this sounds like "winner of this competition --> you" and nobody else.

This would logically mean that winner --> (anyone who is not you) be false.

Similarly, if I were to say

"Only A assures B"

For example, Let us assume C-->A; given the statement above, would saying C-->B a false statement?

Related to this question is does this amount to bi-conditional? My gut tells me no, but I am uncertain.

Assuming (only A is B = B-->A and no other necessaries) is true, this does not necessarily mean A = B, since there could

be other elements within B that is not A.

I decided to skip the early sets (1-20) since I figured they'd be significantly different from the more recent sets. I've been doing the sets from PTs 40-60 but decided to go back to the early ones to save some fresh PTs for later. I usually go -0-1 on LGs with at least 5 min left but I've been struggling to finish the whole set on time mainly due to not understanding the rules and not knowing how to begin my setup. Does anybody else find these games harder than the more recent ones? How often do the weird games show up on the newer PTs?

Hello everyone,

For some reason, I always thought that the difficult questions (4 and 5 level difficulty) are packed at the end of an LR section. So I have been trying to do like the first 14 or 15 questions in the first 18 minutes, and the remaining 10-12 questions in the remaining 17 minutes. But now I am noticing that many of the difficult questions are also in the first part of the section. Which one is right? And is my strategy a bad one? I always find myself not having enough time to answer one or two questions, so I am trying to find the best way to use my time. Note: I am taking the June Test.

Thanks in advance!

So it seems like for MSS, Main Point, and Weakening/Strengthening there doesn't seem to be much need for using Lawgic language (ex: A some B -> C, therefore A some C). However, when it comes to validity, MBT/MBF, Sufficient/Necessary Assumption there is a large need for Lawgic language. Should we only use Lawgic language for those types of questions, or is there a strategy for this? Can Lawgic language be used for all questions, or only some (in the name of efficiency)?

Hi All!

I’m slightly freaking out...I’ve been relentlessly preparing for the June LSAT and I’ve been so busy working and studying that I missed the deadline to register, and now I don’t know what to do. Is there a wait list I can get on to take it ? Or a late registration fee I can pay? I really didn’t want to go another month to wait and take it in July :(

Does anyone have experience with a list of all Premise and Conclusion indicators that can be made into flashcards?

Looking to make a set for studying purposes.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Core c. completed twice , slight increase in over all score (without doing PT's second time) just a post diagnostic. Comprehension has increased but I'm not seeing a huge difference in sore. I've heard of the lsat plateau-- may this is the situation right now. Ive also taken notes on the material twice.

Goal is 155plus (average for school I want in)

current 145 give or take untimed

I've been prepping since mid jan with a PT job.

Now the plan is to focus only on lsat.

I registered to take the june one, but now I am thinking to do a date change for july since I already paid.

I'm not seeing a huge increase - hence I'm getting bored of prep.. and I've already put off law for long enough.

I really want to get in for this cycle. Ive been focusing more on the material then doing PT's.

Question -

-what did you guys find really helped your score - reviewing or doing more questions , timed, untimed .....

-Do I have enough time from now until the july lsat to get to where I need to be ?

is it realistic ?

-And when all is said and done and I get a mediocre score should I still apply ?

So the section I’ve had the hardest time improving is by far reading comp. I’m inconsistent (2-8 points off) and right now I’ve just started doing at least one timed reading comp section a day (I work full time so fitting more studying is unlikely, plus I don’t want to just burn PTs). I was thinking of subscribing to a newspaper or something, probably the Wall Street journal or the economist, to get used to the density of the language. Any suggestions on which may work best?

Hi all!

I am retaking the LSAT on the June 11th date. When I took the LSAT for the first time in December, I had so many hiccups prior to this. I want to explain my position in hopes of receiving some brutally honest feedback to motivate me. I started studying for the LSAT in May 2017 while doing 3 courses in the summer. I self studied using PowerScore Bibles along with 4 workbooks of LSAT practice tests. If I'm honest, I think I didn't study as hard as I should of and I didn't grasp the concepts. I was just reading the Bibles and working on sections while doing some PTs. I was prepping for the September LSAT and unfortunately, I had to postpone my exam because I got caught in Hurricane Irma (I live in Miami but I go to school in Waterloo, ON). Fast forward, LSAC allowed me to pick a date and change my test for FREE. So, I selected the December exam. I was really hopeful I could crush the LSAT with all this extra time however, the pressure of a full course load (5 courses), 3 clubs that I run, and a sport really took a toll on me. The December exam fell on a date right in the middle of semester ending thus coinciding with final exams. You can only imagine my workload with final tests, exams, papers, assignments and commitments. I was studying 25-30 hours a WEEK for the LSAT on top of my school work. I would lock myself up in the library for 8 hours on the weekends and anytime I had a break in between classes I was at the library.

The day of the test I felt so confident! I was scoring around 155 on my PTs from my diagnostic of 145 despite all of my obstacles. Then, as I was sitting in the room I lost it. It hit me all at once where I was and what was happening, I felt everyone's energy and it made me panic. I left the exam room and cried as soon as I walked into my apartment. I knew I bombed it and I did. I only got a 145 on the December exam and I tried not to discourage myself. I took a break from my LSAT studies this Winter term (Jan-April) and I just bought the Premium pack. I will start studying for the June exam on May 1st (I just need a break I just finished my exams + I need to decompress a bit!). I'm NOT working for this month, I dropped my extra online course for the summer because frankly I didn't need it, and I will either take my breaks with some work outs at my Muay Thai gym or visiting a law firm for a flexible internship.

I also burned myself out with the PTs. I went through all 4 books in 4 months. I would use timed/ untimed individual sections to work on problem areas and I would also use FULL timed tests. Looking through my custom study schedule, there are no PTs for me to take until the final weeks before the June exam. Therefore, this course is requiring me to learn the fundamentals BEFORE I begin to PT. Do you advise I follow through with this plan or try to integrate some additional PT practice? Do you think a score of 160+ is attainable with no other looming stresses around me? I think my main downfall was trying to take everything on at once and not devoting my full undivided attention. I'm looking forward to all of your responses :)

I only used the free trial of 7Sage during my studies for the December exam to review LG so now that I purchased a course I hope this will help me out!

Edit: Taking the September exam. If needed, retaking in November or January.

Hey 7sagers!

Im wondering how I could balance the time spent on LG fool proofing and working on other sections. I seem to be unable to juggle all sections together so Im currently neglecting LR and RC while focusing on foolproofing LG. It takes so much of my brain energy to work on LG alone and now im concerned about LR and RC.

Im so amazed by all who have done and are currently foolproofing LG! It takes so much grit and endurance.

Could you offer me advice on balancing the sections? Thank you 7sage!!

Hi fellow 7sagers, I'm currently scoring low 160s and I really desperately want to get into the 170s, have been working at this for around 9 months, and I'm just worried I still won't be able to make it by June 23rd. (that's my date since I'm taking it in France) I usually don't finish the LGs on time but the ones I do -0 or max -2. LR I usually miss 3 with timing even though I get around -5 including the missed ones usually, and RC it depends, when I'm focused I almost finish and when it's difficult one is left and that really hits my score. I have all the PTs I just don't know what to do right now, maybe focusing on LGs would help the most? How do I improve my RC and LR timing?? My focus could be the main problem, it's so difficult to keep it consistently!

Also do you guys think doing 5 sections is really important to prepare for the final test or doing 4 sections is good enough and the extra adrenaline should make up for the 5th one...? I took the Dec test and didn't have too much trouble focusing, but was faaar from my goal score so I dunno.

Also anybody else taken it abroad? anything scary I should know about?

Where can I find the schedule of the upcoming classes that JY will be offering this month. When I logged in I saw something about online videos that will be from 9pm-12am.

I've been taking prep tests almost every day, and my score hasn't budged by more than a few points from an average of 162. Most of my mistakes are in the Reasoning sections, and I know I need to speed up my Games time, but no matter how I study for the Reasoning I'm barely showing improvements there. I'm taking notes on the kinds of questions I miss most so I can review them again, but does anyone have tips on how I can go about fixing this trend?

Thank you!

Can someone break this down for me like I'm 5 years old because I have no idea what is going on here. I feel like you have to assume whether or not the proportions are inverse or not and I dont really see how you could deduce that from the stim.

Hi Guys,

Can you please help with this question ?

Either A’s faction or B’s faction, but not both, will win control of the government. If A’s faction wins, the nation will suffer economically. If B’s faction wins, the nation will suffer militarily.

Given the statements in the passage, which one of the following statements must be true?

(A) It is possible, but not certain, that the nation will neither suffer economically nor suffer militarily.

(B) If the nation suffers economically, it is certain that A’s faction has won control of the government.

(C) It is certain that the nation will suffer either economically or militarily, and also certain that it will not suffer both.

(D) If the nation suffers militarily, it is possible, but not certain, that B’s faction has won control of the government.

(E) If the nation suffers both economically and militarily, it is certain that neither A’s faction nor B’s has won control of the government.

I tried to apply the conditional logic but still i am not able to figure it out.

AW - A's faction wins

BW - B's faction wins

NSE- Nation suffers economically

NSM- Nation suffers militarily

ST(1) : AW->/BW

BW->/AW

ST(2) : AW->NSE

/NSE->/AW

BW->NSM

/NSM->/BW

I am not able to derive D (Right AC) from this logical conditionals.

Source: Gmatclub

I hope it is rephrased correctly.

Thanks.

LSAT 21.S2.Q5 For D, it says, "Concedes the very point that it argues against."

I thought it meant this person is not arguing against the main point of the argument. However, the other website explanation says it's circular reasoning answer. Is it really circular reasoning ...?

J.Y. summed it up perfectly in one of the intro LR lessons - the LSAT LR stimuli are terribly written. Not in the sense that they lack deliberate meaning, but in the fact that the meaning is impossibly worded and very difficult to discern.

I've been finding myself having to re-reard some of the stimuli 3-5 times to dissect the meaning, often being hard pressed for time towards the end of each section. This sharply contrasts with RC, where the passages are far more intelligible and I finish with plenty of time to spare.

So, I wanted to see if anyone has recommendations for authors that write in the similarly shitty style of the LSAC test writers? I think that reading overly verbose, awkward prose for meaning will help my speed on LR. However just like the LSAT the writing needs to be deliberate in intention and meaning (while still maintaining an awkward and generally shitty structure).

Recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

My test is June 24th, exactly 2 months from now. I was late to the party in starting CC (because figuring out internet connectivity in my rural SE Asia location has been hard), and I'm currently 45% of the way through. Before starting the CC, I read all the PS Bible for LG. My RC score has swung around a bit, it's not as high as I'd like (I started at a -2, and then I dipped a bit, and I'm hoping to get back towards -2). LR was where I was weakest pre-CC, and I do feel like I've learned a lot from JY. My LG still isn't at that sweet, sweet -0 I'm aiming for, but idk if CC will get me there any faster than practice.

Should I quit spending time watching the CC videos and just move on to PTs and BR? Should I power through the other 50 hours I have left of it and then PT like crazy with one month to go before the test? What should be my game plan here?

It's worth noting that I'm working full time in a foreign country right now, so there's a lot of demands on my time and energy that are not LSAT related. I can't move faster than I am on studying because even giving 3-4 hours a day to the LSAT is a LOT alongside full-time teaching and community integration and long-term projects.

Also worth noting that I'm aiming to get a 173+, and I was PTing around 166-168 before I halted testing to do the CC.

Hi everyone! can someone explain why the answer is (a)? I can't figure out at all why this is (a). I really appreciate the help. Thank you so much!

Hi all, just looking for any insight on what you think is possible/plausible/likely.

I just took my first diagnostic and scored a 158, then a 173 on the blind review. I still have 3 months until my actual test date. What type of score do you think I could or should be aiming for now that I know where I currently sit?

Thanks!

Just for fun, I'd like to know what you guys think is the worst reading comp passage. My vote is the Navajo blanket passage from PT3. What's yours?